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Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.
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Nah don't worry you didn't get spoiled on umineko, you're good. The VN at most did callbacks to Higurashi minus one scene where one of the characters threatens to spoil Higurashi. Even the Gou defenders are starting to get fed up with Sotsu which is saying something about the state of this show. I really don't know why anybody in their right mind would dedicate 13 episodes to retreads and recaps. Even if theres an extension in episodes and they do add new content, it isn't going to make up for the 13 episodes of reused Gou footage.
I feel like if any competent director were behind this, it'd be done in 24 episodes easily.
Completely forgot to say this when the Gou episode for these scenes dropped, but are you seriously fucking telling me that Satoko got PTSD from the fucking birthday box and not from anything else?
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Can confirm. Even the redditors are starting to turn.
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Lel umineko anime confirmed because InComPeTeNt lololo I'm so clever! - Ryukishi
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Technically the existence of Vier is from Ciconia, which isn't even complete. It's still kind of up in the air what part Vier play's in all this (If any, at all, other than Ryukishi07 being like "Ciconia reference! Aren't I smart!? HaHa! Please buy!"), I would normally say go to the wiki and read up on her but again, spoilers, tons of them.
The 2nd point is really retarded though, like you said, how did not a single person notice a massive gun outline sticking out under her shirt? She doesn't exactly wear baggy clothes either, so even if she decided to hide to gun somewhere else on her, like literally where? Just... how didn't a single person notice the fucking gun??
Also keeping your weapon holstered like a retarded nigger isn't something I'd recommended Satoko, good luck if it accidentally discharges.
On the 3rd point, I'm not sure what page you used for the subs but in the one I watched she says this:
Being a part of someone is way different from a doppleganger, but yeah, admittedly they're both leaning heavily on the Umineko territory.
2 episodes left, and we JUST got to the gun scene.
What can I say at this point other than whoever actually thinks Sotsu is actually any good or can stand on it's own two legs is mentally handicapped. It's not even an Answer Arc, we already got the answer's on who's doing what at the end of Gou, this is literally an Reiteration Arc with Directors-cut bullshit mixed into it.
Someone should honestly take all the new scenes from Sotsu and calculate how many mins\episodes did we actually get without all the recaps.
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Being serious here, cut out the bullshit first-half in Gou, maybe hold off on Nekodamashi for later, and it would've fit in 24, maybe 26 episodes. That's how it should've worked.
I haven't even touched Ciconia and at this point, I don't think I want to. But that's still retarded at how hard Ryukishi is trying to make a WTC shared universe, this criticism was pointed out at the end of Gou, and it's still relevant here.
Ani-One Asia's YouTube channel so I can avoid the FUNimation subtitles. But yeah, that's a good point.
This decision blew my mind so hard I forgot to include it in my post. I think everyone saw that coming a mile away we weren't going to see the gun scene until the very end, but being jerked around like this for as long as we have is infuriating.
I legit had this belief back during Gou, but it's much more egregious here, and there's at least one faggot on MAL who turns blue in the face (i.e. makes long-winded fluff posts that go nowhere) trying to defend this shit. But I think what gets to me about this the most is that because of how shitty Gou and Sotsu are, there're newcomers who aren't even considering going back to properly check out Higurashi at this point because they got "spoiled" over this.
You wanted this, Ryukishi, you hack.
I'm autistic enough to do that, but I actually have better things to do today (hooray!) and probably won't get around to it until tonight, maybe, if I remember to. Anyone who wants to sacrifice what's left of their sanity to do that deserves all the Angel Mort cakes the world over.
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VIER IS FUCKING TAKANO
LAMBDADELTA IS FUCKING TAKANO, RYUKISHI
LAMBDADELTA IS FUCKING TAKANO, RYUKISHI
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Honestly, you really shouldn't, not only is the Ciconia VN only 1/4 complete, but for whatever reason Ryukishi07 and his company decided not to release the rest "Until the pandemic is over"
Which look, I somewhat understand what they were trying to do, but it's also retarded on two different levels.
By saying that you don't want to release the next part of the novel because "the material was too close to the reality of the pandemic" already completely spoils part of the plot of the new novel, congrats Ryukishi07!
And two, this is also a small Ciconia spoiler, but honestly, it's so autistic that you lose literally nothing by reading it, in fact you'll only stand to gain by reading what I'm about to say and not spending money on it.
The main char in Ciconia, Miyao Mitake actually has the split personality of a female inside of him, not just any female though, but the female version of himself, which of course gets into mental debates with himself and take's over his body at times to "be a girl"
Taken directly from the wiki entry:
Did that sound autistic enough? Because it is, and one of the main plot points of the novel is based around being a mentally ill genderspecial. How fun.
Also one of the other main dudes is fucking named Jayden, I don't know why western names gives Ryukishi07 such a hard-on but good luck trying not to imagine the character speaking in Jayden Smith's voice every single time.
Taken directly from the wiki entry:
Basically "Aren't genderspecials cool guys!? We should totally validate them and not treat it as mental illness! Please pity main character uwu - Ryukishi07"
Did that sound autistic enough? Because it is, and one of the main plot points of the novel is based around being a mentally ill genderspecial. How fun.
Also one of the other main dudes is fucking named Jayden, I don't know why western names gives Ryukishi07 such a hard-on but good luck trying not to imagine the character speaking in Jayden Smith's voice every single time.
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Honestly, that's the biggest fucking shame in all of this.
Sure the OG anime and Kai aren't the greatest thing ever, especially if you compare them to the original visual novel's but they're iconic for a reason and have a decent enough story that will hook you from beginning to end so long as you can put up with some autism near the end.
Gou/Sotsu shit all over the point the original anime\novel's were trying to make, and the fact that many people won't even consider watching them because of it, is honestly just fucking sad, especially since the first episode of GOU already spoils that Rika ain't exactly "normal"
Ironically people are still hopeful that they'll get a decent Umineko remake\adaptation after this, despite the fact that Ryukishi07 just shat all over Higurashi and then some.
I honestly cant do anything else but laugh at this point.
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Though I haven't been through all of the shit this guys put out yet, I DID go through the ciconia thing with a friend that wanted to show me it around last year-ish or so? Anyways that shits FUCKED in a way i don't think the genderfucks fully understand.Honestly, you really shouldn't, not only is the Ciconia VN only 1/4 complete, but for whatever reason Ryukishi07 and his company decided not to release the rest "Until the pandemic is over"
Which look, I somewhat understand what they were trying to do, but it's also retarded on two different levels.
By saying that you don't want to release the next part of the novel because "the material was too close to the reality of the pandemic" already completely spoils part of the plot of the new novel, congrats Ryukishi07!
And two, this is also a small Ciconia spoiler, but honestly, it's so autistic that you lose literally nothing by reading it, in fact you'll only stand to gain by reading what I'm about to say and not spending money on it.
The main char in Ciconia, Miyao Mitake actually has the split personality of a female inside of him, not just any female though, but the female version of himself, which of course gets into mental debates with himself and take's over his body at times to "be a girl"
Taken directly from the wiki entry:
Basically "Aren't genderspecials cool guys!? We should totally validate them and not treat it as mental illness! Please pity main character uwu - Ryukishi07"
Did that sound autistic enough? Because it is, and one of the main plot points of the novel is based around being a mentally ill genderspecial. How fun.
Also one of the other main dudes is fucking named Jayden, I don't know why western names gives Ryukishi07 such a hard-on but good luck trying not to imagine the character speaking in Jayden Smith's voice every single time.
You're welcome
I thought the thing with little edgy kid miyao was that he had a twin sister that was in his body rather than them being the same person. There's weird nightmare visions and shit and hints towards fucked up things involving the reason behind it being even a thing to begin with. some Evil AI gets hacked into his brainchip thing that taunts him and claims he's there to "replace" him and shit but never actually does meaning he was completely bullshitting more than likely. Miyao was trained as a child soldier allegedly since he was a baby and it's claimed his sister exists because of the mental trauma associated with it, but then there's at the same time the footage of him apperently being fatally wounded supposedly from the past with half his body blown off. The way things are going I'm going to just have to guess it's a thing where his sister ended up being grafted onto him in a similarly nightmarish situation to what's going on with some of the other child supersoldiers (there's a scene where one of them literally has their fucking head split open and brain seperated in a lab while they're conscious and chatting with their friends), but with the AI filling in for the lost half of his brain. If it's not that despite all the shit leading to it and it's some dumb shit that's literally just "haha gender cool a" I will fucking commit a violence in video games
Also Luigi better appear in the next part but thats unrelated.
Also Luigi better appear in the next part but thats unrelated.
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I think it's the usual excuse to slack off for a year without outputting new shit. There's absolutely no connection between what happens in Ciconia and the 0.1% lethal disease in the real world.
Also I don't get if the genderspecial is intended or not considering one of the side characters criticize the main characters to being a high class faggot who doesn't get how 90% of the country lives.
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I don't doubt that it's an excuse, since the pandemic really has nothing in common with the novel other than the theme of sickness I guess?
Even though it's not even people who are sick but okay Ryukishi07.
I still think the genderspecial shit was them trying way too hard to oneup Umineko, there was literally no other reason to rehash the "almost" same old thing other than, desperation? Appealing to the woke crowd? Creative bankruptcy? Honestly, I don't fucking know, but it sure as hell is tiring to read, especially since there's no voice acting to carry the novel this time around.
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I think it's the global apocalypse shit, but besides not being in the same ratio, Ciconia has the most ridiculous fucking amount of apocalyptic events that isn't an outright exterminatus.
The idea of multiple personalities to make "parallel computation" during battle isn't bad by itself (though it was already done before) but making a big deal out of a "female" personality and making a whole thing about whether Miyao is a trap or not (in a story that already has a lot of things going on) is just pointless. Like Beatrice at least had the idea of being a literal unknown so having her even be genderless was okay (not that it's very clear how it works when her breast size is a plot point).
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I'm convinced that if this happens at this point, Ryukishi will retcon Sayo as being outright trans and there will be stuff added in about how troons are heckin awesome and valid.
"Yikes, the 80s were heckin transphobic and not wholesome Keanu chungus" - Redditkishi07
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Exactly, At least in Umineko it was completely fresh and unpredictable, not to mentioned the novel was centered around that theme, so it made sense that it was one of the main focus.
In Ciconia it's literally just "We did this in Umineko so now were ramping it up with the whole shibang! troons, multiple personality and disorder galore!" where the focus is supposed to be literally everything else that's happening that's far FAR more important.
Again, trying way to hard to oneup Umineko in terms of scale yet completely missing the point and failing.
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Lambdadelta is Lambdadelta.
I mean, she definitely had aspects that linked her to Takano, particularly towards the role of Higurashi's antagonist, but she doesn't really resemble Takano character-wise, unlike Bernkastel, who very obviously resembled Rika at her most cynical. And even early on she had traits that clearly took inspiration from Satoko, such as her very first line in the story starting with a hearty ohohohoho-type laugh and penchant towards boastful claims about her own ability. Bern's line about Lambda getting lonely easy, though it could be applied to Takano, also fits Satoko much more readily than it does Takano, to the point where one of Rika's earliest lines in Onikakushi involve her talking about how Satoko was lonely because Keiichi was gone for two days, and while that scene was mostly a gag, the idea of Satoko being a rather lonely girl, in spite of her outer demeanour, comes up much more frequently and seriously starting from Tatarigoroshi.
Maybe Lambdadelta would've been more Takano-like if Ryukishi wasn't so incredibly enamoured by the "super paper" line that he made it into the core of Lambda's characterization, since the initial concept of her was intended to be a much more cruel girl, which would fit Takano and her love of cruel torture much better, but ultimately she feels more like her own character than one who is supposed to be the same as an existing Higurashi character.
Even the early statements about Bern being from Lambda's world feel like Ryukishi tried to quietly ignore them later on, when Featherine and her connection to Bern came into being and gave a much more concrete explanation of how Bernkastel became a witch, and that's not even talking about how despite being the main antagonist of Higurashi, she wasn't much of an actual player in the end, herself being manipulated by Nomura, and her pieces never actually being under her control.
Vier physical similarities to Takano are very blatant, with a very likely connection to (Tou)jirou to strengthen it, but her character's pretty different, too.
Takano isn't actually much of a scientist, despite all her efforts towards studying Hinamizawa Syndrome. Her only real goal is ensuring that Hifumi's research becomes recognized, but if she could accomplish that through genocide, it would be just as good for her as it would be by writing a research paper that convinces the world at large that his theories were all true.
Vier, on the other hand, is presented as someone who genuinely loves
Her being revealed as some kind of past incarnation of Satoko is still complete bullshit, but looks alone aren't enough to tie her to Takano, and Ryukishi has already blurred the lines between Takano and Satoko by making Meryl a Takano in name but with a design much closer to Satoko's, so this level of retardation is entirely possible for Dragon Knight 07.
I feel that the schizo shit and genderfaggotry is probably the only parts of the dystopia we're genuinely expected to view as wholly positive. He's quite blatant about how the nations are all fucked up in their own ways, but the whole situation between Meow and Jayden is clearly supposed to be viewed as wholesome and cute.
Though most of Ciconia's main cast is pretty boring and insufferable (not helped by the fact that the actually fun segments in the Data Fragments that actually do a lot to make the AOU crew much more charming, only unlock after finishing the main game, for some bizarre reason), the adult characters are actually engaging, and I genuinely want to see more of them, and none of them seem to be afflicted by all the faggotry that permeates the main cast.
The namedrops in Gou/Sotsu piss me off too, because now I genuinely want to know how Vier ended up getting involved with Eua, and what Eua's goals for her were, since she seems really disappointed that Vier lost her memories at some point in her long journey across fragments, even though I know that the answer will inevitably be disappointing, assuming that we'll ever even get a real answer to begin with.
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I've been suspecting it for a while but with two episodes left I'm almost certain that Sotsugyou is deliberately bad, like Ryu's taking his fanbase for a ride for some undisclosed reason. It seems like the kind of "I AM SO SMRT" meta-shit he'd do.
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There's a difference between tongue-in-cheek badness and "fuck the fans" badness. The original anime Mayoiga, directed by the same guy behind Another, was done bad on purpose. It's bad, don't get me wrong, it was a strange, painful weekly ride, and I think some people were thinking they were going to get another Another but we didn't get that. But looking back on it, it clearly didn't take itself all that seriously and purposefully made fun of the "group of people surviving out in a haunted woods" and psychological genres, and I think it might've also been taking the piss at (amateur) indie horror filmmakers, which is kinda shitty, but I don't know if it was at all mean-spirited.
Gou and Sotsu are bad because one: It's Higurashi. We don't expect it to be bad because it's fucking Higurashi. And two: it's being too pretentious to be a "lol I'm bad, so bad, really, really bad" kind of show. It's shitting on its own lessons, its own story, and its own fans. Unfortunately, Ryukishi is going to get away with it because his fanbase sucks his cock so hard, there's no more cum, just piss, but it's some really salty urine.
My biggest hope is that like with Mayoiga, Gou/Sotsu will be forgotten while the original story lives on unhindered, but brand recognition damns that hope to hell.
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Ryukishi isn't nearly intelligent enough to write a story that perfectly highlights all his long-time flaws as a writer like this. This is just his own unrestrained autism, which is subsequently made worse by shit directing.
Though when all is said and done, I still can't hate Passione as much as I do DEEN. Sure, the end result of Gou/Sotsu is worse than what DEEN produced, but at least Passione is only shitting up an already shit script, whereas DEEN fucked up an actually good* script to the point where it completely fucked up the mystery and needed to insert a new arc just to try and salvage things.
The saddest part is probably that if this really was a remake of the original, the Passione version would've beaten the DEEN version hands down, since the parts they adapted from the VN are actually accurate and set up the story correctly.
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I decided to watch the last three episodes since it’s ending soon, and the summaries of the episodes in this thread are what I look forward to the most after each episode.
I also can’t believe they ended this recent episode with the exact same cliffhanger as Gou, as if we wouldn’t already know, so why is it so shocking again?! The scenes with Eua and Hanyuu added nothing of substance to me, personally. It was just Hanyuu crying while Eua laughs.
The Ciconia references are so pretentious to me. Ryukishi needs to stop treating the WTC world like some Marvel “it’s all connected” bullshit.
Watch us get another extension or the final two episodes where we see Satokowashi, but from Rika’s POV and it was all Satoko just being crazy again, seeing as that arc started out with her being cured from HS, I wouldn’t put it past them to waste more time and do something like that. All of Satoko’s issues were delusions! Oh, my! As if that matters at this point.
The manga is definitely more coherent, (not any better since it’s still Sotsugyou) but so many scenes are different, like Satoko never taking Keiichi to her house so all the disaster was only at the festival. We got to the gun scene there too, so I think the St. Lucia chapters are next. I’m sure they’ll be done better than the anime, but not by much. I like that Tomato actually puts continuity where it’s due, and not just having Satoko pull the gun out of her ass.
Also, when it comes to the Angel Mort scene, Satoko always has that wastebag on her. Why hide the gun in her shirt when she could have just pulled it from the bag? Or did they just forgot that she had it? The incompetence in this series is immaculate.
I’m not even shocked people actually think this is the best writing the series ever had, but they are clearly newfags and it kind of upsets me that Sotsugyou will be the first impressions people have on the Higurashi series as a whole and won’t look at the original because of how trash this “sequel” is.
I also can’t believe they ended this recent episode with the exact same cliffhanger as Gou, as if we wouldn’t already know, so why is it so shocking again?! The scenes with Eua and Hanyuu added nothing of substance to me, personally. It was just Hanyuu crying while Eua laughs.
The Ciconia references are so pretentious to me. Ryukishi needs to stop treating the WTC world like some Marvel “it’s all connected” bullshit.
Watch us get another extension or the final two episodes where we see Satokowashi, but from Rika’s POV and it was all Satoko just being crazy again, seeing as that arc started out with her being cured from HS, I wouldn’t put it past them to waste more time and do something like that. All of Satoko’s issues were delusions! Oh, my! As if that matters at this point.
The manga is definitely more coherent, (not any better since it’s still Sotsugyou) but so many scenes are different, like Satoko never taking Keiichi to her house so all the disaster was only at the festival. We got to the gun scene there too, so I think the St. Lucia chapters are next. I’m sure they’ll be done better than the anime, but not by much. I like that Tomato actually puts continuity where it’s due, and not just having Satoko pull the gun out of her ass.
Also, when it comes to the Angel Mort scene, Satoko always has that wastebag on her. Why hide the gun in her shirt when she could have just pulled it from the bag? Or did they just forgot that she had it? The incompetence in this series is immaculate.
I’m not even shocked people actually think this is the best writing the series ever had, but they are clearly newfags and it kind of upsets me that Sotsugyou will be the first impressions people have on the Higurashi series as a whole and won’t look at the original because of how trash this “sequel” is.