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[Dumpster dived waifu]

Miles' lack of self-awareness being rightfully & deservingly mocked

https://twitter.com/cyngapra/status/1251023721541689347?s=19

Was just about to share that. Jesus christ is this man fucking dense.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

WB pumped RT with money. That was why RT grew so big. It wasn't because RWBY was a smashing success. WB floated RT as a content farm.

Now AT&T turned the spigot off after the GEN:LOCK fiasco.

RT's mirroring Cartoon Network at this point. And I don't know how sad that is.

 

[Sayon]

Miles' lack of self-awareness being rightfully & deservingly mocked

https://twitter.com/cyngapra/status/1251023721541689347?s=19

Funny enough, Tifa's design in the remake got toned down from the original's (what with her chest, wearing a sports bra, wearing shorts under her skirt).

And frankly, I think he's completely forgotten the fact that Yang is a character that's originally based off of Tifa years ago when Monty was still alive, so if he's mocking Tifa as a prostitute, then what will Yang be in his book?

She might've been based on Tifa but she missed key elements to Tifa's character (namely Tifa's ties to Cloud and rivalry/friendship with Aerith as the girl who's everything she's not when it comes to Cloud). They ended up with Lightning.

Adam doesn’t need to be tied to three members of RWBY

He kinda does actually. If he has relevance within the wider world rather than just making Blake cry then he needs to interact with characters outside of the White Fang subplot who aren't just Cinder with goons and Yang as Blake's meatshield.

The argument you're countering is more or less saying that it's fine that Adam could walk past Ruby at the street with neither making a fuss about it.

Bumblebee is pretty confirmed at this point.

The actual problem now is Yang has no reason to exist as a charcter anymore. Her arc is done, and they don't seem to be in a hurry to give her anything new to do.

Except the databook already didn't list Yang as a romance option for Blake. And it was sent out post-Adam.

No, what's happening is that they know about shipping so they pander (Blake and Yang, Ruby and Oscar) but won't make the main girls settled with anyone.

And none of the girls have arcs left. And that might be okay if the show's about to end, but I doubt that. And that's a shame since:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SwpoZhC_sE

All that's left is to seal it with a kiss. You know that's how the fandoms acknowledge everything nowadays on romance / shipping. No kiss, no confirmation. It's absurd but that's just how many of the fanbase thinks.

And yeah, I feel like they are just distancing themselves with Yang at the moment because they have no idea what to do with her right now.

But frankly I don't think they've done a good job on the main girl -- Ruby either. Like, she's still just a fucking plot device that move things without personal stakes of her own, stakes that make us connect with her and give us reasons to support her other than she's the main heroine by label.

They're forcing Ruby as a savior figure in a desperate attempt to appease complaints about how Ruby has been across the series the least relevant of the 4 and comes off as a designated protagonist.

Calling Tifa is a prostitue, meanwhile in RWBY show, female characters wearing skimpy outfits:

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And finally Carmine Esclados from their RWBY Amity Arena game, I sure hope Miles Luna hasn't forgotten about her.

What else? Oh right, I wonder if Miles Luna also calls Jessica Nigri a prostitue based on her job?

Apparently, 16th or 17th April is National Horny Day, so I think it's fine if Miles wants to be honest with his sexual desire.

The difference here is that Tifa is canonically not a dyke (not even a quarter dyke) and openly shows she wants one White (or Orienal man with White looks) man to be into her (Cloud). Meanwhile Blake gets teased as a quarter dyke, Emerald as Cinder's pet dyke, Neon would end up BLACKED, Miles and RWBYfags just follow some composite of politicial lesbianism and sex positive feminism and anti-White Male where sluttiness is okay as long as (White) men aren't around.

 

[First Aid Kit]

The difference here is that Tifa is canonically not a dyke (not even a quarter dyke) and openly shows she wants one White (or Orienal man with White looks) man to be into her (Cloud). Meanwhile Blake gets teased as a quarter dyke, Emerald as Cinder's pet dyke, Neon would end up BLACKED, Miles and RWBYfags just follow some composite of politicial lesbianism and sex positive feminism and anti-White Male where sluttiness is okay as long as (White) men aren't around.

I get what you mean by having good writing of character personality, development and relationship. But I don't think it was necessary to "Miles and RWBY fags" being progressive and whether a character sexuality has to tie with their looks/clothing.
I mean you can show these pictures below to portray the point.

Thanks to this tweet, I find it's funny that for someone who didn't watch anime before Monty Oum forced him to. He sure does having good time "weebing". These may have been posted before, because I feel like I've seen the first image below somewhere before, but I don't remember and too lazy to check.

Spoiler

http://archive.md/pD7Qb

http://archive.md/l4VV7

http://archive.li/qNvbp

Lastly also from that tweet, Miles Luna has N-word pass.

 

[Eugene90]

They're forcing Ruby as a savior figure in a desperate attempt to appease complaints about how Ruby has been across the series the least relevant of the 4 and comes off as a designated protagonist.

And they managed to fuck even that up. Ruby just turned into a super naive power girl who's all Sora-wannabe like Kingdom Hearts' protagonist and failed to even connect on the basic aspects of character relate-scale to my eyes because of how rushed her development was in V7.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's like they're setting up for the next queer-bait betrayal to the fans since Lance and Keith's relationship back in Voltron, and those who watched that show would know how much of a fucking shitshow that was.

Funny thing? They already have queerbaiting contorversy with Qrow and Clover. Hell, one YouTuber dedicated a whole part of a V7 review on those guys. (Start at 1:44:04 if timestamp doesn't work. If anybody knows of a Streamable alternative that can go for more than 10 minutes that doesn't involve forking over cash, it'd be much appreciated.)

 

[Eugene90]

Funny thing? They already have queerbaiting contorversy with Qrow and Clover. Hell, one YouTuber dedicated a whole part of a V7 review on those guys. (Start at 1:44:04 if timestamp doesn't work. If anybody knows of a Streamable alternative that can go for more than 10 minutes that doesn't involve forking over cash, it'd be much appreciated.) https://youtube.com/watch?v=uvKOIXV0hsw:6244

I normally don't always agree with Thomas' view on stuff since he can be a bit biased on the LGBT stuff, but I can sort of agree with what he says when he mentioned "unintentional queerbait due to miscommunication and misconception from audiences under false impressions". And honestly this is a nail in the head -- because CRWBY's main issue in this writing department is because they do what they do -- sometimes -- without understanding how the audience may perceive their work or interpret them and sometimes it may yield opposite results from what they desire -- which is what sparked this backlash of Clover and Qrow from the get go. It's just another one of those Lance and Keith shitshow from Voltron.

 

[LordBaron]

I mean RT might not be a huge animation studio, but they aren't exactly a small indie studio either too, are they? They are owned by multimillion-dollar corporations and they have lots of industry inside deals and several videogames, merchandise, and even mainstream comics and manga.

Not to mention that it's able to get itself in the same sorts of scandals that EA has and can allegedly get funding from a major Hollywood actor.

The Miles Called Tifa A Ho Thing

And yet when someone not with RT does that, suddenly it's a call for cancerl culture.

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[Berrakh]

It's a dumb tweet but people are treating Nomura's waifu like a sacred cow who can't be mocked at all for the way she is made to dress. It's mostly funny because Yang is clearly inspired by Tifa and even more sexual.

 

[Eugene90]

And yet when someone not with RT does that, suddenly it's a call for cancerl culture.

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The sheer hypocrisy of mankind knows no boundaries, am I right?

 

[Eugene90]

It's a dumb tweet but people are treating Nomura's waifu like a sacred cow who can't be mocked at all for the way she is made to dress. It's mostly funny because Yang is clearly inspired by Tifa and even more sexual.

The best thing is when Yang does it nobody fucking bats an eye because everyone is too busy getting hyped at her "awesome fighting style" and "possible lesbian representation relationship" with Blake.

 

[Berrakh]

The best thing is when Yang does it nobody fucking bats an eye because everyone is too busy getting hyped at her "awesome fighting style" and "possible lesbian representation relationship" with Blake.

Yang isn't even personally similar to Tifa outside of her fighting style. Did Monty think Tifa was a sexually empowered girl just because of the way she dresses? If so is that so different from Miles making a joke? It's the same observation with a negative spin.
Besides Tifa does stick out like a sore thumb and is there to be eye candy, because FF7 was never a serious universe. It's a rude thing to say about a character people love but the FF7 fanbase makes jokes about Aeris being dead and even imply she was a prostitute in earnest so it's just nonsense for them to cry foul.

Not to mention that it's able to get itself in the same sorts of scandals that EA has and can allegedly get funding from a major Hollywood actor.

And yet when someone not with RT does that, suddenly it's a call for cancerl culture.

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He should have left the tweet up and made fun of the people calling him out.
"NOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY MY WIFERINO IS DRESSED TO SHOW OFF HER BOOBS!"
And then spun the outrage as people being bigoted against sex workers for utter shamelessness. "Are you saying sex workers can't save the world. Wow, just wow."

 

[Garm]

Interesting. But I doubt it's salvageable. The show itself was never even that interesting to begin with.

Also, if they're going for PC premise then it's never gonna sell well because it's been done to death with poor results before. Honestly the whole focus of genderfluid was already very cringe-worthy, we really don't need another one of those here.

I think they are obligated due to contracts with Michael Peterson's production company. RT did such a shit job that they took it away from them.

Of course this asks the question of "how many VA's from RT will still be on it?" I mean, Miles played a mechanic. Monica Rial played the general I think.

Be a... Real shame if they got replaced.

I remember on the RVB season 15 commentary that after the 2016 election a lot of stuff they were writing was suddenly very political. GEN:Lock may have been toned down from what they were planning.

But HBO MAX won't be able to save the show.

RT's mirroring Cartoon Network at this point. And I don't know how sad that is.

They are owned by the same company who is cutting everyone and everything. RT will most likely be folded into Cartoon Network so it might be by design.

 

[Sayon]

The best thing is when Yang does it nobody fucking bats an eye because everyone is too busy getting hyped at her "awesome fighting style" and "possible lesbian representation relationship" with Blake.

As I said, it's a composite of political lesbianism, sex positive feminism, and anti-White Male politics. In the Current Year, sluttiness is fine as long as White men aren't looking or its for Kunta Kinte.

 

[First Aid Kit]

Yang isn't even personally similar to Tifa outside of her fighting style. Did Monty think Tifa was a sexually empowered girl just because of the way she dresses? If so is that so different from Miles making a joke? It's the same observation with a negative spin.
Besides Tifa does stick out like a sore thumb and is there to be eye candy, because FF7 was never a serious universe. It's a rude thing to say about a character people love but the FF7 fanbase makes jokes about Aeris being dead and even imply she was a prostitute in earnest so it's just nonsense for them to cry foul.

I don't think it's whether Tifa can be mocked because of her outfit. It's complication between whether a strong ficitonal female characters can be sexy or not. Because there are people thinking being sexy is wrong and only be seen as a fapping material to a straight male. Others as you said can think that is an enpowerment trait for the character. Of course, both are true for Tifa. Although for me, I support the latter point and use the previous point to make fun of coomers.

About FF7 fanbase or any popular stuffs nowadays at all, it's social media generation, you don't have to play/watch/read the original stuffs to be considered a fan anymore. As long as you just watch/read stuffs on internet, now you can claim being a fan yourself and how certain character is your hero. If you don't agree with that, you are gate-keeping and gate-keeping (true fan or not) debate is another long thing to talk about. I mean FF7 is a prime example of this, people who play original game, people who start to know about FF7 from watching Advent Children and now new people first time playing FF7 with remake version. Then if you look at ResetEra, would you believe all of those people are fans of a certain video game because they actually play the game or just watching someone playing the game on youtube/twitch or just know it because it's popular on internet.

About Miles Luna's tweet, I actually don't really 100% into idea of Miles having his male feminist projection moment either. I can agree on idea of him being an idiot with some kind of edgy kiddo statement. What I mean is, I know a guy calling Symmetra a prostitue because of her outfit and rekting kids in online games is equivalent of pedophillia. Furthermore with Miles idiocy, he forgot what kind of platform and ideology he'll face for making that kind of statment. And of course, lacking of self-awarenes as previously mentioned.
But most importantly, it's always hillarious to see how so called progressive people get crapped on by their own group/ideology.

 

[Berrakh]

I don't think it's whether Tifa can be mocked because of her outfit. It's complication between whether a strong ficitonal female characters can be sexy or not. Because there are people thinking being sexy is wrong and only be seen as a fapping material to a straight male. Others as you said can think that is an enpowerment trait for the character. Of course, both are true for Tifa. Although for me, I support the latter point and use the previous point to make fun of coomers.

About FF7 fanbase or any popular stuffs nowadays at all, it's social media generation, you don't have to play/watch/read the original stuffs to be considered a fan anymore. As long as you just watch/read stuffs on internet, now you can claim being a fan yourself and how certain character is your hero. If you don't agree with that, you are gate-keeping and gate-keeping (true fan or not) debate is another long thing to talk about. I mean FF7 is a prime example of this, people who play original game, people who start to know about FF7 from watching Advent Children and now new people first time playing FF7 with remake version. Then if you look at ResetEra, would you believe all of those people are fans of a certain video game because they actually play the game or just watching someone playing the game on youtube/twitch or just know it because it's popular on internet.

About Miles Luna's tweet, I actually don't really 100% into idea of Miles having his male feminist projection moment either. I can agree on idea of him being an idiot with some kind of edgy kiddo statement. What I mean is, I know a guy calling Symmetra a prostitue because of her outfit and rekting kids in online games is equivalent of pedophillia. Furthermore with Miles idiocy, he forgot what kind of platform and ideology he'll face for making that kind of statment. And of course, lacking of self-awarenes as previously mentioned.
But most importantly, it's always hillarious to see how so called progressive people get crapped on by their own group/ideology.

I see your point but I really disagree in this case, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. I think people are 90% of the time lying when they say they think sexiness is just empowering for a character. They want the fantasy of being sexy or having a sexy girl and don't want to just admit to that. So said sexy character also has to take on some masculine traits for cover. If being sexy itself was empowering then I would not constantly see the same gamer and anime fanbases get agitated over every fictional Beauty Queen who vaguely reminds them of Stacey from High School.
And this might be because I am more familiar with one fanbase over the other but Tifa's core appeal is her body and she is designed to show it off. It's rude to reduce her to only that or to say she's a prostitute. But it's comically two-faced and insincere for people to pretend to be offended at "such blatant sexism" when they engage in what I'd argue is more genuine sexism all the time and like exactly what he was commenting on with his joke.

And yeah I think Miles is stupid too. I think trying to psychoanalyze him when he's really just being thoughtless is silly and will lead to immense presumption. That said RT has had some Male Feminist drama so maybe his involvement on that and this makes a bigger picture than I am aware.

While I stopped watching RWBY I don't feel like you can reduce the girls' core appeals down to their bodies, except maybe Yang because she has the knockers front and center. But even she has a bold personality which takes over and becomes the bigger focus. And she even suffers bodily damage over the series. It doesn't hurt her assets but it still makes it hard to stick with her if you JUST like her body.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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[Sayon]

I see your point but I really disagree in this case, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. I think people are 90% of the time lying when they say they think sexiness is just empowering for a character. They want the fantasy of being sexy or having a sexy girl and don't want to just admit to that. So said sexy character also has to take on some masculine traits for cover. If being sexy itself was empowering then I would not constantly see the same gamer and anime fanbases get agitated over every fictional Beauty Queen who vaguely reminds them of Stacey from High School.
And this might be because I am more familiar with one fanbase over the other but Tifa's core appeal is her body and she is designed to show it off. It's rude to reduce her to only that or to say she's a prostitute. But it's comically two-faced and insincere for people to pretend to be offended at "such blatant sexism" when they engage in what I'd argue is more genuine sexism all the time and like exactly what he was commenting on with his joke. And yeah I think Miles is stupid too. I think trying to psychoanalyze him when he's really just being thoughtless is silly and will lead to immense presumption. That said RT has had some Male Feminist drama so maybe his involvement on that and this makes a bigger picture than I am aware.
And while I stopped watching RWBY I don't feel like you can reduce the girls' core appeals down to their bodies, except maybe Yang because she has the knockers front and center. But even she has a bold personality which takes over and becomes the bigger focus. And she even suffers bodily damage over the series. It doesn't hurt her assets but it still makes it hard to stick with her if you JUST like her body.

There is nothing that makes Remake Tifa's design worse here than Yang's or Blake's or Cinder's.

Yang and Co.'s designs were all made when Monty was still alive to be about as "sexy" as Remake Tifa's. Cinder fights in damn high heels. Any defense you will make for them is just more RWBYfag yapping.

Tifa within the original doesn't behave anymore "sexy" than Aerith does outside of her victory pose. She's not shown trying to seduce men when not needed for a mission, only shows serious interest in Cloud. Aerith was the one acting "sexy."

 

[Berrakh]

There is nothing that makes Remake Tifa's design worse here than Yang's or Blake's or Cinder's.

Yang and Co.'s designs were all made when Monty was still alive to be about as "sexy" as Remake Tifa's. Cinder fights in damn high heels. Any defense you will make for them is just more RWBYfag yapping.

Tifa within the original doesn't behave anymore "sexy" than Aerith does outside of her victory pose. She's not shown trying to seduce men when not needed for a mission, only shows serious interest in Cloud. Aerith was the one acting "sexy."

I don't think this is a response to anything I said but maybe I just don't get it. I said Tifa sticks out like a sore thumb in Midgar, which Miles said. While in RWBY everyone dresses like an anime fashion disaster and is definitely designed with sex appeal in mind, but they all are so it just runs together. It's hard to single out any one character as the "sex appeal" girl except maybe Yang, who is based off of Tifa, but even then that is hard to do when she's an amputee now.

You can say Cloud and Barrett stand out too, there's a semblence of utility to their designs, but nobody would argue with me if I said they're trying to "look cool" rather than practical. In fact FF7 was the beginning of a design-focused emphasis for the series. Cloud, Barrett, Vincent look "cool", Tifa and I guess Yuffie are trying to look sexy/cute, Aeris looks like a knock-off Disney Princess.

And I even said Tifa doesn't behave sexually empowered, hence why it was reductive to just call her a prostitute, which is why I laughed that Yang is apparently based on her. The only thing Yang has in common is a fisticuff fighting style and boobs. For many people that is what Tifa is. And she is often depicted as sexually confident by fans because of these elements mattering more to them than her actual character does.

My pojnt was never "Miles is right" and more that "aggrieved fans don't like to look in the mirror."

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RWBY has 100x the run time so of course it can have "more" to it. It can also have too much, be a confused mess, and only let people down who latch onto different elements.

 

[Grumbo]

Miles' lack of self-awareness being rightfully & deservingly mocked

https://twitter.com/cyngapra/status/1251023721541689347?s=19

Miles' "Apology": https://twitter.com/TheMilesLuna/status/1251000314955804672?s=19

Archive: http://archive.li/LxFwT

Hey, remember, in your own show, that it just changed the fairly conservative design of Neo into one where she's showing way more skin? Like, just give her thigh highs and she's actually fairly close FF7R Tifa's skin levels? Yeah.