RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Polyboros2 said:
If true, what a shit arc for a character. It might have been significant if he died to him the first time(in relation to other characters), now it's just blatant murdering a character cause they hate the actor.
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Considering the blacked spots, It seems like a character with a five-letter name will kick it (best guess would be Maria, considering Jaune is voiced by Miles, and Blake and Weiss are main characters) Though I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did kill off Qrow. It'd totally fit with their petty spat with Vic and wiping away all traces of people they had poor relationships with seems their MO.
 
It'll be hilarious if they actually 'kill' him off then brought him back in the later season after everyone acting all smug about how they knew he was gonna die all along.
Like with cinder. Or penny. Or weiss in that one episode in season 5.
Actually aside from pyrrha and the autumn maiden, is there any other named character that had been impaled/mutilated and actually die?
I don't count adam because if cinder could survive falling down a cliff while being frozen then why couldn't he.
 
Namesarehardtocomeupwith said:
I don't count adam because if cinder could survive falling down a cliff while being frozen then why couldn't he.
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That's why.
 
Namesarehardtocomeupwith said:
It'll be hilarious if they actually 'kill' him off then brought him back in the later season after everyone acting all smug about how they knew he was gonna die all along.
Like with cinder. Or penny. Or weiss in that one episode in season 5.
Actually aside from pyrrha and the autumn maiden, is there any other named character that had been impaled/mutilated and actually die?
I don't count adam because if cinder could survive falling down a cliff while being frozen then why couldn't he.
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I would, if only because the whole Faunus racism arc is basically all but dead in the water at this point. Much like Adam.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
(...) dead in the water at this point. Much like Adam.
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Yang pls.

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XtrmGamr719 said:
I mean he also fell into water, so he'd probably drowned before regaining consciousness and healed wounds (since he has a semblance, he must also have aura). Of course I could be wrong and Miles and Kerry become bigger hacks than before...I don't even need to imagine that one.
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They already fucked Yang over before for the sake of sloppy shipbait, so why stop?
 
I dunno if that angry animator is legit, but it also brings what might be the biggest issue RWBY's animation has.

Sure, animators were complaining about being underpaid, and working extra hours. And we can see how the fights have gotten worse. But those are just symptoms of the real issue: That is, the writers aren't being realistic with the scope of the series.

They just don't have the budget for what they are trying to do, but they won't admit it. And instead of adapting they just make the product worse. So you get some "episodes" that are basically glorified slideshows with Qrow narrating and scenes that are just semi-static drawings.

I mean your average CGI series has around 1 million dollars of budget per episode. Not season. Episode. Like say Clone Wars the animated series:


That doesn't mean RWBY isn't workable, but for its quality sake, it should have been much more contained, something their small team of artists and animators could handle. The smart thing to do would've been to contain the plot as much as possible around Beacon and Vale.

And I suspect that was Monty's intent, considering how much time he took to develop Beacon academy, I think he wanted something like more like Hogwarts and less like Last Airbender's world tour.

Don't get me wrong, If they had that kind of budget I would agree exploring Remnant would be the best, after all, It worked for the Last Airbender, and Clone Wars can also afford new locations every episode. But that's not the case. The last thing they should be doing is a world tour which just increases the number of places and things 3d artist have to create and then animate in.

And worse, they keep adding way too many characters every season. They simply don't have the screen time, and resources to develop all. And they expect their 3d artists and animators to somehow catch up to literal multi-million dollar productions while also animating a chibi spinoff and a mecha series.


It's just not realistic.
 
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Fougaro said:
Tfw Yang is the only adult there.

Speaking of the team, I have a question regarding Miles Luna since I'm definitely missing some puzzle pieces. If I'm not mistaken, Miles was involved in writing some (allegedly) acclaimed episodes of Red vs Blue (which I never had the chance to watch). If that is the case, what exactly went wrong? Did Miles have another writer back then to tard wrangle him like Aaron Ehasz (I think) did with Bryke back in Avatar: The Last Airbender? Were said Red vs. Blue episodes just lucky flukes? Did Miles have a stroke later? If that is the case, I think I understand why Monty would think that picking Miles is a rational choice.
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Honestly, as a RvB fan, it never made sense to me how RWBY went into a garbage fire. The Chorus Trilogy had a problem with cliffhangers sure, but they were never forced or infuriating.

Pixy Misa said:
I agree that Black Sun seemed to be the intention. But to be perfectly honest, he doesn't stand a chance. You are right in that story-wise it makes sense Sun be with Blake, but I get the feeling he will join Mako from Legend of Korra, and Finn from Adventure Time in the club of being cucked by the lesbian shippers.
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I'm still angry at the whole Princess Bubblegum and Marceline ship.
 
Foolish Samuari Warrior said:
Honestly, as a RvB fan, it never made sense to me how RWBY went into a garbage fire. The Chorus Trilogy had a problem with cliffhangers sure, but they were never forced or infuriating.
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I'm not much into Rvb, but I have a feeling the reason Miles is subpar on RWBY is that he is more of a comedy writer. And RWBY is trying to be a semi serious action anime.

I'm sure Red vs Blue must have serious moments and story arcs, but it's basically a show people watch to get laughs And that's not bad. With red vs blue, you can get away with a very loose continuity given it's basically a comedic Halo fanfic.

RWBY, however, needed another kind of mentality. It's not that serious shows can't have humor, a show like RWBY works well with it as proven by RWBY CHIBI. But a serious show also needs a lot more care about world-building and character development that you can't just ignore and get away with like you can in a comedy.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
I dunno if that angry animator is legit, but it also brings what might be the biggest issue RWBY's animation has.

Sure, animators were complaining about being underpaid, and working extra hours. And we can see how the fights have gotten worse. But those are just symptoms of the real issue: That is, the writers aren't being realistic with the scope of the series.

They just don't have the budget for what they are trying to do, but they won't admit it. And instead of adapting they just make the product worse. So you get some "episodes" that are basically glorified slideshows with Qrow narrating and scenes that are just semi-static drawings.

I mean your average CGI series has around 1 million dollars of budget per episode. Not season. Episode. Like say Clone Wars the animated series:


That doesn't mean RWBY isn't workable, but for its quality sake, it should have been much more contained, something their small team of artists and animators could handle. The smart thing to do would've been to contain the plot as much as possible around Beacon and Vale.

And I suspect that was Monty's intent, considering how much time he took to develop Beacon academy, I think he wanted something like more like Hogwarts and less like Last Airbender's world tour.

Don't get me wrong, If they had that kind of budget I would agree exploring Remnant would be the best, after all, It worked for the Last Airbender, and Clone Wars can also afford new locations every episode. But that's not the case. The last thing they should be doing is a world tour which just increases the number of places and things 3d artist have to create and then animate in.

And worse, they keep adding way too many characters every season. They simply don't have the screen time, and resources to develop all. And they expect their 3d artists and animators to somehow catch up to literal multi-million dollar productions while also animating a chibi spinoff and a mecha series.


It's just not realistic.
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You know, that does beg the question: What even is the budget for RWBY per episode? If not for an entire season?

I can only assume the budget was next to non-existent when Monty was around since most of the animation was split between him and 2-3 other animators until he died. But nowadays? That's something I'm curious about. Same with Gen:LOCK- Those actors certainly weren't cheap (well, aside from Rial and Miles), and yet it seems like most of it went to getting them to do voices considering the animation's not much better than Volume 5.
 
Pixy Misa said:
I'm not much into Rvb, but I have a feeling the reason Miles is subpar on RWBY is that he is more of a comedy writer. And RWBY is trying to be a semi serious action anime.

I'm sure Red vs Blue must have serious moments and story arcs, but it's basically a show people watch to get laughs And that's not bad. With red vs blue, you can get away with a very loose continuity given it's basically a comedic Halo fanfic.

RWBY, however, needed another kind of mentality. It's not that serious shows can't have humor, a show like RWBY works well with it as proven by RWBY CHIBI. But a serious show also needs a lot more care about world-building and character development that you can't just ignore and get away with like you can in a comedy.
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That's the thing about RWBY's early volume humor for me. It gave some small character bits, like Weiss and Ruby high fiving over combat skirts, or add a little extra depth to them. Specifically Blake.
Like, remember when Blake used to have cat mannerisms other than having her cat ears move? Like that she liked fish, Yang using a laser pointer to lure her, and really wanted to avoid Ruby's dog? Blake benefited from small visual catgirl gags. She also liked steamy romance novels too, but that's not a cat thing.

At least, I'll take that humor over the "I squeak while moving, so it's funny" from current stuff.
 
Pixy Misa said:
I dunno if that angry animator is legit, but it also brings what might be the biggest issue RWBY's animation has.

Sure, animators were complaining about being underpaid, and working extra hours. And we can see how the fights have gotten worse. But those are just symptoms of the real issue: That is, the writers aren't being realistic with the scope of the series.

They just don't have the budget for what they are trying to do, but they won't admit it. And instead of adapting they just make the product worse. So you get some "episodes" that are basically glorified slideshows with Qrow narrating and scenes that are just semi-static drawings.

I mean your average CGI series has around 1 million dollars of budget per episode. Not season. Episode. Like say Clone Wars the animated series:


That doesn't mean RWBY isn't workable, but for its quality sake, it should have been much more contained, something their small team of artists and animators could handle. The smart thing to do would've been to contain the plot as much as possible around Beacon and Vale.

And I suspect that was Monty's intent, considering how much time he took to develop Beacon academy, I think he wanted something like more like Hogwarts and less like Last Airbender's world tour.

Don't get me wrong, If they had that kind of budget I would agree exploring Remnant would be the best, after all, It worked for the Last Airbender, and Clone Wars can also afford new locations every episode. But that's not the case. The last thing they should be doing is a world tour which just increases the number of places and things 3d artist have to create and then animate in.

And worse, they keep adding way too many characters every season. They simply don't have the screen time, and resources to develop all. And they expect their 3d artists and animators to somehow catch up to literal multi-million dollar productions while also animating a chibi spinoff and a mecha series.


It's just not realistic.
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I absolutely believe Monty understood they didn't have the budget or resources for a massive show and that's why the show focused so much on Beacon with a few other locations in the first three Volumes. You had Beacon which had a few locations that had a decent amount of 2D backgrounds worked in, the city of Vale which had a couple locations, Forever Falls, then the tournament arena. Ultimately it was pretty focused on a handful of locations, and added a couple each Volume. I'm sure this is why Beacon was focused so heavily on, and it worked for the show. It also made the writers focus on keeping the scale of the show from blowing out of proportion which is what started to happen when Miles took over. He had these grandiose ideas but lacked the ability to write them, and the resources to have them work at all. Saying "I wanna have a giant battle at Haven" sounds great until they don't have the animators to make an entire school that would fit the scale and then animate all the characters fighting (and that's without getting into Miles and Kerry's abysmal writing of it).

Just look at shows like Sonic Boom and Miraculous Ladybug. Both of those are professionally made shows and both of them stick to a relatively few amount of locations and reuse them. The shows get written around their limitations. Sonic Boom even makes a joke about how they only have four main locations. But they're being realistic instead of trying to jump into a massive scale right off the bat like Miles tried to do. With 2D animation they have more flexibility to create new locations but with 3D they have to model everything. And if they're modeling all of it they're just wasting all that work if they only stick around in one place for a season or two. The Clone Wars had George Lucas's money he made with Star Wars so he could afford the scale the show required. RT never had that kind of money.

Grumbo said:
That's the thing about RWBY's early volume humor for me. It gave some small character bits, like Weiss and Ruby high fiving over combat skirts, or add a little extra depth to them. Specifically Blake.
Like, remember when Blake used to have cat mannerisms other than having her cat ears move? Like that she liked fish, Yang using a laser pointer to lure her, and really wanted to avoid Ruby's dog? Blake benefited from small visual catgirl gags. She also liked steamy romance novels too, but that's not a cat thing.

At least, I'll take that humor over the "I squeak while moving, so it's funny" from current stuff.
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The humor in the first couple Volumes worked. It was endearing rather than laugh out loud kinda funny, but it worked for the characters. The show wasn't trying to be super dark and serious like Miles's vision for the show is, which is ironic since comedy seems to be his strongest point rather than serious story. A few jokes and gags thrown in made the early Volumes enjoyable, and it had a few serious moments here and there that also worked cause the show wasn't trying to focus so hard on being serious. Something that bothered me about the post Volume 3 seasons is that after Volume 3 went full on grimdark murdering several popular characters so Miles could stroke his own ego and prove how serious of a writer he is they went right back to goofy gag comedy in Volume 4. The humor of the early Volumes just doesn't work anymore cause it feels so out of tone with the dark tone they're trying to establish. They couldn't even stick to the new tone for one episode in Volume 4.
 
This episode was mostly filler, and the only decent moments we got was the cameo with Team FNKI, the Schnee Sisters visiting the Winter Maiden (As cliche as it is having Winter become the Winter Maiden), and Robyn Hill finally making an appearance beyond the opening or getting exposition dumped by Not Antifa Boi who now is dead~

Other than that, am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about the ASS-OPS? Like none of them are memorable (With Clover being the only one who's name I remember), or ape off of traits from the two teams like that chick who excitedly shook Ruby's hand that Nora wanted to form a group with an episode ago, she's just Nora but more disciplined...Like, I don't see why everyone is creaming themselves over these motherfuckers.
 
Foolish Samuari Warrior said:
Honestly, as a RvB fan, it never made sense to me how RWBY went into a garbage fire. The Chorus Trilogy had a problem with cliffhangers sure, but they were never forced or infuriating.
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I don't know RvB all that well, but Miles wasn't head writer for RvB until season 11 - and the "old" RvB writer/creator is alive and well and is one of the most powerful people in the company. It's also a comedy set in a semi-established universe.

Compare that to RWBY - which is a much looser concept, Miles is given control much earlier (Season 3-4), on top of shorter episodes, and the creator/writer unexpectedly dies at age 33.

Basically, Miles has much more to control on RWBY and has no direction or oversight from Monty (who is dead). He can't really fuck up RvB too bad because it's gone on for too long and the company's founder created it and is still with the company; meaning if he fucks around with it too hard he could find himself replaced.

Jewelsmakerguy said:
You know, that does beg the question: What even is the budget for RWBY per episode? If not for an entire season?

I can only assume the budget was next to non-existent when Monty was around since most of the animation was split between him and 2-3 other animators until he died. But nowadays? That's something I'm curious about. Same with Gen:LOCK- Those actors certainly weren't cheap (well, aside from Rial and Miles), and yet it seems like most of it went to getting them to do voices considering the animation's not much better than Volume 5.
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The budget for all of RT's productions are pretty low, considering how much they're trying to save by having staff perform multiple roles. It seems like everyone in the company is a Voice Actor for at least 2 RT projects, in addition to doing 2 other RT roles (hosting, podcasting, con staffing, marketing, etc). A lot of the RWBY voice cast is RT staff, with the second largest group being cameos (Jessica Nigri, Garrett Hunter, etc) and a few, actual professional VAs mixed in sparingly.
 
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