Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

[Coccxys]

They cucked themselves to Mark Waid, who is an alpha nerd who is one of the head honchos of Marvel. The same Marvel that is keeping the Antarctic Press studios lights on by renting out studio space in the Antartic Press building, or somesuch.

Yes, that means that Mark Waid either directly or indirectly used Marvel's influence over AP to force them to break their contract. AP flat out states this during deposition when they state they were worried for "their friends at Marvel." Those friends at Marvel were using AP's building to do color work for Marvel.

If Meyer was going through Ty Beard, Marvel would probably be getting a letter in the next few weeks.

I agree with your assessment, however would you like to try and take on the mouse's lawyers? Much safer (plus funnier) to nail Waid for his actions rather than Marvel for their employee's actions.

Someone feel free to correct me but I think you would have to prove that Waid was acting as an employee of Marvel and not as himself at the time of the interference. If he never outright tells them about his position or any repercussions coming from that direction it could be tricky to prove (especially since that would be Marvel's best way out of it, throw Waid under the bus). We can see clearly there was an implied threat but we're talking getting a judge to know the first thing about comics and why Waid would be well known.

Now the fact he is still working for them after taking action to try and shoot down a competator (for any reason) speaks poorly of them and their business ethics, but who doesn't know that the mouse runs a pseudo-monopoly by now?

A question for those more versed in law than myself; if this all goes Meyer's way as it should does AP have a cause of action against him for the money they lost by not printing the comic after Waid's interference (and those of the minions he sent to dogpile)?

 

[LL 196]

They cucked themselves to Mark Waid, who is an alpha nerd who is one of the head honchos of Marvel. The same Marvel that is keeping the Antarctic Press studios lights on by renting out studio space in the Antartic Press building, or somesuch.

Yes, that means that Mark Waid either directly or indirectly used Marvel's influence over AP to force them to break their contract. AP flat out states this during deposition when they state they were worried for "their friends at Marvel." Those friends at Marvel were using AP's building to do color work for Marvel.

If Meyer was going through Ty Beard, Marvel would probably be getting a letter in the next few weeks.

Ya boi Zack also has a Super Lawyer so let's not rule out the possibility of Marvel being dragged into this now.

People have speculated that Zaid is there just to protect Marvel's interests, which is why Zaid has signed on to 0 documents. He's probably coached Waid to never mention Marvel ever under any circumstance. TUG's DMs may have blown that strategy out of the water. One of the things that has turned up during the #kickvic fiasco is the notion of a person acting as a VICE-PRINCIPAL. If Waid made statements that gave him the apparent authority to act on Marvel's behalf, then Marvel could get dragged into this dog of a case kicking and screaming.

Waid's team could be wasting everyone's time with ridiculous motions because he's secretly being back-end funded by a Disney slush fund. Don't underestimate dirty Disney, their reputation for being ratfucks is well earned.

 

[ProtecSpeedwagon]

Ya boi Zack also has a Super Lawyer so let's not rule out the possibility of Marvel being dragged into this now.

People have speculated that Zaid is there just to protect Marvel's interests, which is why Zaid has signed on to 0 documents. He's probably coached Waid to never mention Marvel ever under any circumstance. TUG's DMs may have blown that strategy out of the water. One of the things that has turned up during the #kickvic fiasco is the notion of a person acting as a VICE-PRINCIPAL. If Waid made statements that gave him the apparent authority to act on Marvel's behalf, then Marvel could get dragged into this dog of a case kicking and screaming.

Waid's team could be wasting everyone's time with ridiculous motions because he's secretly being back-end funded by a Disney slush fund. Don't underestimate dirty Disney, their reputation for being ratfucks is well earned.

Maybe, i know there's been a floating rumor that due to Disney's latest acquisition of 21st Century Fox costing far more than previously intended due to Comcast being allowed to bid in that they're looking to possibly shutter Marvel. This was cut off at the pass by Execs at Marvel, but if your job is on the chopping block you'd think they'd be the first ones to try and get out ahead of that and stop the rumor. Long and short, if Disney wanted to protect their newest very expensive cash cow (Looking at you MCU) from being fucked with by a part of their company that is starting to earn less and less, this would be the time to let things proceed as they may, and use it as a reason later if Marvel gets dunked on to close up shop.

It's a little conspiratorial, but Disney as stated are pretty dirty and ratfuck like, doing this way would probably provide least resistance and blowback.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Maybe, i know there's been a floating rumor that due to Disney's latest acquisition of 21st Century Fox costing far more than previously intended due to Comcast being allowed to bid in that they're looking to possibly shutter Marvel. This was cut off at the pass by Execs at Marvel, but if your job is on the chopping block you'd think they'd be the first ones to try and get out ahead of that and stop the rumor. Long and short, if Disney wanted to protect their newest very expensive cash cow (Looking at you MCU) from being fucked with by a part of their company that is starting to earn less and less, this would be the time to let things proceed as they may, and use it as a reason later if Marvel gets dunked on to close up shop.

It's a little conspiratorial, but Disney as stated are pretty dirty and ratfuck like, doing this way would probably provide least resistance and blowback.

Disney doesn’t want any part of any of this nonsense. The moment it does Marvel heads will roll. Because Waid very clearly violated some very specific rules in the Disney Employee Handbook. There is a rather clear, plain language section that spells out in nice friendly colors “do not do what Mark Waid did!”

As far as Disney is concerned Marvel is an IP holding farm, and a way to keep Ike Perlmutter out of everybody else’s hair. Ike is an expensive problem to solve. Marvel is cheap by comparison. It’s not like they pay the pink haired milk shake brigade a living wage. Put it this way. Today in China alone Avengers Endgame earned several orders of magnitude beyond the paltry costs of maintaining the handicapable jobs program that is Marvel Comics. Profit or loss Marvel Entertainment is just a rounding error to Disney.

Should anything in Meyer’s lawsuit point back to Marvel principals, Disney will quickly and quietly settle with Meyer, apologize in private, then go all game of thrones on the Merry Marvel senior staff. Ike has immunity unless the Fed’s get involved. But it would be hilarious to see who would get tossed under the bus.

I actually think Waid’s GoFundMe would be the likely pathway into Marvel for Meyer. There have been stories of one or more senior Marvel Editors pressuring the work for hire contractor creative staff to donate to Waid. With the unspoken “not doing so would have consequences”.

 

[Love Soze]

They cucked themselves to Mark Waid, who is an alpha nerd who is one of the head honchos of Marvel. The same Marvel that is keeping the Antarctic Press studios lights on by renting out studio space in the Antartic Press building, or somesuch.

What is really sad is that Marvel is BARELY keeping AP's lights on. Let's not forget the email Joe sent Zack saying that he (Zack) made more on Jawbreakers in ONE DAY than AP made in a year. I hope that haunts Joe forever.

EDIT: Added the email, because I couldn't find it posted.

 

[KingofNothing]

What is really sad is that Marvel is BARELY keeping AP's lights on. Let's not forget the email Joe sent Zack saying that he (Zack) made more on Jawbreakers in ONE DAY than AP made in a year. I hope that haunts Joe forever.

(Zack) made more on Jawbreakers in ONE DAY than AP made in a year

Fuck, that hurts just to read. Remember people, NEVER EVER bow to the outrage mob. They will never support you even if you do what they wanted.

Edit: Oh Zack made more in a day than they made in a month. That's still pretty bad, but not as horrifying.

 

[break these cuffs]

Fuck, that hurts just to read. Remember people, NEVER EVER bow to the outrage mob. They will never support you even if you do what they wanted.

I'm continously reminded of the outrage about bandaids being racist because their "flesh tone" color was white. This was before clear ones became popular. An entrepreneur saw an opportunity and made a line of bandaids for differing color skin tones. Nobody bought them. I believe this was before the era of crowdfunding and so it was probably on a business loan, but I may be mistaken. I believe he was black as well.

The leftist mob does not care about bandaids, or Jingle Bells, or capeshit. It cares about pushing its agenda down the throat of anyone who will not fight against it.

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

Fuck, that hurts just to read. Remember people, NEVER EVER bow to the outrage mob. They will never support you even if you do what they wanted.

Most of them are the spoiled, directionless children of well-off parents who didn't give them guidance or punishment and who were therefore helpless to resist the left-wing indoctrination they received when they went off to college--not because they especially wanted to go to college, but simply because everyone told them it was the thing to do. Therefore, having grown up rich, they feel entitled to whatever they want, but being yet another English degree-having drone churning out woke bullshit for pennies prevents them from simply throwing money at it. So they spend money on the stuff that they can't just pirate, such as iWhatevers and Starbucks, and steal the rest with some dumb pseudo-Communist bullshit rationalization about late-stage capitalism blah blah blah. Yes, they could just whine and beg their parents for the money to buy their shit honestly, but they are too narcissistic to do that, especially for overpriced paper capeshit that was written by incompetents anyway.

So if you make something that can be pirated, like comics, there is no point whatsoever to marketing to these parasitic bozos. In fact, it's downright harmful, since the shit that they like actively drives away your actual paying audience.

 

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The leftist mob does not care about bandaids, or Jingle Bells, or capeshit. It cares about pushing its agenda down the throat of anyone who will not fight against it.

They don't want solutions. They want to be mad. But beyond that, they want the dopamine rush they get from forcing "ISTS" to change. Doesn't matter what they change. Just as long as they did "social activism" and forced the change. There's a reason they sound like drug addicts desperate to blow you for one last good hit. Because they more or less are.

I have no idea how we, as a society, will be fixing this. An axe to the internet lines going to Twitter / Facebook / Instagram's datacenters might be a good first step, however.

 

[AnOminous]

So if you make something that can be pirated, like comics, there is no point whatsoever to marketing to these parasitic bozos. In fact, it's downright harmful, since the shit that they like actively drives away your actual paying audience.

That's a great point, and while the thievery of SJWs is often discussed here as well as their piracy, I don't think I've seen it broken down like this. Anything that can be pirated will be pirated by these parasites. So you might have some excuse for being "woke" if you're Apple because you have ways of actually forcing SJWs to pay you if they want to have your status symbol object, but for easily pirated pop culture? Not really.

 

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Reminds me of when one of those bigger SJWs, in early comicsgate, was ranting and raving about the evil alt right nhazheeez showing up... and then casually mentioned they read all their comics on readcomiconline.to.

 

[LL 196]

Reminds me of when one of those bigger SJWs, in early comicsgate, was ranting and raving about the evil alt right nhazheeez showing up... and then casually mentioned they read all their comics on readcomiconline.to.

Big and small, they all love pirating SJW comics...

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[The Doktor]

Maybe, i know there's been a floating rumor that due to Disney's latest acquisition of 21st Century Fox costing far more than previously intended due to Comcast being allowed to bid in that they're looking to possibly shutter Marvel. This was cut off at the pass by Execs at Marvel, but if your job is on the chopping block you'd think they'd be the first ones to try and get out ahead of that and stop the rumor. Long and short, if Disney wanted to protect their newest very expensive cash cow (Looking at you MCU) from being fucked with by a part of their company that is starting to earn less and less, this would be the time to let things proceed as they may, and use it as a reason later if Marvel gets dunked on to close up shop.

It's a little conspiratorial, but Disney as stated are pretty dirty and ratfuck like, doing this way would probably provide least resistance and blowback.

If a lot of little things turn his way, there’s about a 0.0001% chance Zack can parlay little wins into Disney letting him basically run or hold the licenses for Marvel Comics. It’ll never turn out that way but my imagination was running wild & I could only imagine the lunacy that would ensue

 

[RodgerDodger]

Reminds me of when one of those bigger SJWs, in early comicsgate, was ranting and raving about the evil alt right nhazheeez showing up... and then casually mentioned they read all their comics on readcomiconline.to.

Oh even better. That was Sandwich Boy! Kieran Shiach He didn't simply read all his comics from online bootlegs. He was "making a living" writing comic book reviews for "major comic book sites" based on pirating the materials.

 

[Jaimas]

Something to remember about the Social Justice tards (Waid included) is that they see an existing fanbase for a franchise or work they've infested as a threat, not a source of revenue. To most, this would seem illogical, if not patently insane, but there's a method to the madness if you cut around the edges and take a closer look.

Inveterate Kiwis will know that Social Justice types claim to be all for the rights of oppressed groups - until the nanosecond members of those groups start going off-script and having pesky independent thoughts that run contrary to the narrative, at which point you get to watch some stunning hypocrisy in action as they savage any minority, woman, or tranny that dares run counter to them. This is because nobody ever fucking asked for these assclowns to speak for them, and nobody wants what they're selling, and they can only claim a mandate - they don't actually have one from anyone, since they flat-out don't have the numbers. If you won't blindly push the narrative you're an enemy to them.

In this regard, Customers are the worst of a very bad lot: Completely divorced from giving a single solitary fuck about their opinions and caring only about the product. There is no in-roads against a Customer; simply product subversion. In this regard, destroying a franchise or ripping apart a beloved cultural strongpoint isn't a side-effect of their worlview: it's a primary feature. The idea is that if a given franchise won't blindly become propaganda, then they're entirely justified in destroying it - better to burn it to the ground then let anyone but the Social Justice types have it. That's why they're so destructive, and, correspondingly why everyone hates them.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Fuck, that hurts just to read. Remember people, NEVER EVER bow to the outrage mob. They will never support you even if you do what they wanted.

"So here is a huge pile of money with a quality concept and idea straight out of the 1990s just as the 90s nostalgia kicks begin to happen and will likely lead to numerous other outsider artists and new talent coming to you to publish their books leading to a small scale renaissance that you can use to drive online sales enormously. And here is a screaming man child who's currently slamming his phone receiver into the ground while wailing like a banshee. Tell me, which do you pick?"

"The man child."

"You have chosen.... poorly."

And that is why my heart doesn't hurt reading his cowardly cucking and pissing away a golden business opportunity.

 

[Next Task]

So if you make something that can be pirated, like comics, there is no point whatsoever to marketing to these parasitic bozos. In fact, it's downright harmful, since the shit that they like actively drives away your actual paying audience.

Yep. It's not just that companies have been misreading engagement as customers, not realising that the old adage that 'one letter represents a thousand consumers who didn't bother writing in' doesn't matter on the internet, where engagement is on a much more 1 = 1 basis. It's that, especially with things like entertainment products, they see these people giving their opinions on the final product, and don't realise that either they've not actually seen what they're talking about and basing it on second-hand information, or have outright not paid for it.

These companies need to realise that 'all publicity is good publicity' no longer applies if the publicity is from non-consumers that drives the actual consumers away. In comics, they need to do a proper deep dive into the demographics to separate out 'readers' from 'customers'. And honestly, I think they know who the real purchasers are with all the alternate covers and #1s designed to appeal to a collector's market, but they're actively bursting that bubble by making comics the collectors just won't want to buy. And 15,000 likes on a tweet about a new comic means nothing if only a tenth of those people actually buy it.

"So here is a huge pile of money with a quality concept and idea straight out of the 1990s just as the 90s nostalgia kicks begin to happen and will likely lead to numerous other outsider artists and new talent coming to you to publish their books leading to a small scale renaissance that you can use to drive online sales enormously. And here is a screaming man child who's currently slamming his phone receiver into the ground while wailing like a banshee. Tell me, which do you pick?"

"The man child."

"You have chosen.... poorly."

I'm fairly certain Waid actively threatened them with the sort of repercussions that would completely destroy their business, invoking Marvel and anyone else he could, to intimidate them out of publishing the comic. Wouldn't surprise me if he also claimed things like Jawbreakers wouldn't succeed and/or that he and his friends would make sure Meyer was going to be driven out of the industry as well. So while they clearly made the wrong decision, I'm certain - and I think the lawsuit will demonstrate - that Waid threatened them with his influence and claims of power within or over Marvel, as well as all his other well-known friends. So I'm still sympathetic to AP because I'm sure they were given the choice between an entire industry and one guy with crowdfunding, rather than just 'cash vs. manbaby'.

 

[break these cuffs]

So I'm still sympathetic to AP because I'm sure they were given the choice between an entire industry and one guy with crowdfunding, rather than just 'cash vs. manbaby'.

I'm somewhat sympathetic as well, but it's not like they were saving anything by capitulating. Their future was looking like years of dumping $50-100k into a failing business before folding up shop. That's even assuming Waid would be so nice. Who knows what kind of shit he would pull seeing the power and control he has over AP. We've all seen his god complex and know about his tantrums. Ya Boi was their chance at success and not only did they flush that down the toilet, but likely a chance at future opportunities. Who wants to do business with someone who caves to pressure and breaks a contract? Who wants to do business with a company that breaks a contract for any reason for that matter? A part of me understands being scared and feeling hopeless and alone, but the much stronger part of me condemns them for not standing up for what is right, standing by a legally binding contract, and being so short sighted. They didn't want to walk across a bed of hot coals in the dark so they knowingly jumped off a cliff instead.

It's no hair off my ass because I stopped reading cartoons a long time ago. I was never going to buy the comic, but I would have contributed to their legal fund and upboated to spread the word. Even with being a normalfag and not understanding how these outrage campaigns work, Joe Dunn still should have stood up and done the right thing. Instead his moral fiber was found lacking and not in a way that makes potential partners, clients, or investors money like Gordon Gekko. I wouldn't be surprised to see AP fold up shop in the next year or two between not being solvent, the stress of all of this, and the black mark on their name. Maybe fans will rally around them if they go ham during a deposition or at trial, but I don't see a whole lot of business coming their way no matter how this shakes out. Someone would have to take a chance on them.

 

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I'm fairly certain Waid actively threatened them with the sort of repercussions that would completely destroy their business, invoking Marvel and anyone else he could, to intimidate them out of publishing the comic. Wouldn't surprise me if he also claimed things like Jawbreakers wouldn't succeed and/or that he and his friends would make sure Meyer was going to be driven out of the industry as well. So while they clearly made the wrong decision, I'm certain - and I think the lawsuit will demonstrate - that Waid threatened them with his influence and claims of power within or over Marvel, as well as all his other well-known friends. So I'm still sympathetic to AP because I'm sure they were given the choice between an entire industry and one guy with crowdfunding, rather than just 'cash vs. manbaby'.

It also sounds like they have a SJW or two on staff that amplified the pressure. This is standard tactics for SJWs. If they have a person on the inside, they work with those on the outside and force multiply the pressure and outrage. You can see this in some of the emails. The SJW going "ya know I talked to the local comic book guy and he says this outrage mob isn't gonna stop, this guy is evil, I might quit over this, yadda yadda."

... All while Mark Waid suddenly offers a way out of having this outrage mob going after them. Purely a coincidence, I'm sure. Mark Waid and that guy probably never spoke. Just a coincidence. Certainly.

I do hope that AP can recover from this. They've been putting out this comic called Gold Digger by this Based as fuck guy named Fred Perry for like 25 years. It's a silly fanservice Manga-esque thing that would be absolutely forbidden to be published in current year, if Mark Waid et all had their way.

It's been a while and I never read too much of it, but think a Tomb Raider / Dirty Pair style parody that goes for like 200 someodd books and has plot threads upon plot threads. 90s as fuck but it had it's charm.

They actually put up almost all of it for free to read, here: http://antarcticpresslibrary.com/?p=239

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtNCNTkkyg

He also had a fun webcomic about FFXI back in the day, too: http://lvlup.gd-tangent.com/

It would be really awesome if as a final fuck you after all of this, AP and Ya Boy can work out something to get his comics in stores, just as a final salt rub in the gaping open wound. After all, they DO have a contract, right?

Yellow Flash video about Ben Dunn yesterday. Talking about the TUG / Ben DMs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvrQ0_MH_vM

Again, remember that AP is supposedly staying afloat in part because Marvel is renting out space in AP's studio to let their colorists working in Texas work at the AP studio rather than having to build / rent out their own studio.

That's the "friends at Marvel" that Ben was afraid of the future of.

I'm calling it now. Mark Waid threatened the colorists that worked for Marvel that use AP's studio with retribution if AP didn't pull the Richard Meyer contract.


As an aside... This is Ben Dunn's latest tweet.

If Waid hopes that Ben Dunn will tow the SJW line and help Waid get out of the bear trap he put his dick in... he might be in for a shock. Ben appears to be Conservative.

 

[break these cuffs]

Yellow Flash video about Ben Dunn yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvrQ0_MH_vM

Again, remember that AP is supposedly staying afloat in part because Marvel is renting out space in AP's studio to let their colorists working in Texas work at the AP studio rather than having to build / rent out their own studio.

That's the "friends at Marvel" that Ben was afraid of the future of.

I'm calling it now. Mark Waid threatened the colorists that worked for Marvel that use AP's studio with retribution if AP didn't pull the Richard Meyer contract.


As an aside... This is Ben Dunn's latest tweet.

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If Waid hopes that Ben Dunn will tow the SJW line and help Waid get out of the bear trap he put his dick in... he might be in for a shock. Ben appears to be Conservative.

Except they weren't staying afloat. Joe dumped $70k to keep the lights on recently. This myth that Marvel was their only chance to stay in the business is false. The owner dumping tens of thousands of dollars into his hobby is how the business stays afloat. Marvel's business keeps it from Joe having to spend six figures a year.