Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

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Waid Livestream - What will happen?

  • Talks about the lawsuit.

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Further incriminates himself.

    Votes: 18 48.6%

  • Defames YaBoi again.

    Votes: 5 13.5%

  • Doesn't talk about the lawsuit nor CG.

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Host disagrees with Waid on something, chimpout insues.

    Votes: 7 18.9%

  • Normal interview. (no drama)

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Total voters
    37
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Stoneheart said:
He cant take a silent deal if he wanna protect his brand. He needs Waid to make a statement publicly that what he did was wrong and he needs a non disparagement clause.
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Waid's cult won't be happy if he settles. It will be easy to spin it as "making a deal with an alt right neo nazi" which means he runs the risk of being metoo'd or just thrown to the wolves. Especially if what's been discovered is bad enough for him to want to keep secret. I don't know what the law is about learning about other crimes while investigating another are, but I think it's reasonable to assume that other people in his clique will know some of what's been uncovered already.

Even if it's not criminal, it's reasonable to assume there's something that will damage his career beyond what is public knowledge already. And to put that into perspective, it's public knowledge that Waid smashed up a store during one temper tantrum. Whatever he wants hiding has to be as bad or worse than that.

If he's forced to settle, then maybe he can get out of it by claiming the courts are in the pocket of Trump, Putin, the alt right, etc. But most of his followers don't even know what the lawsuit is about, so I doubt they know what @AnOminous said about having to take a settlement to not waste everyone's time.

Edit: For Mayer, simply walking away with the money and a verdict will be enough for this to be considered a win. While Waid being made an example of would be nice, I think the best outcome for Mayer is if this kind of lawsuit becomes common practice. I don't know if the Honey Badgers won their Calgary Expo lawsuit, but if they did this could be a wake up call for SJWs that there are limits.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Yeah, that is generally a weak or stupid theory to gamble on. His fight with Waid gave him some publicity, which increased his funding. But that was clearly a single event. Not a business model. What his lawyers will politely and clearly explain is the purpose of a lawsuit is to make one whole from damages suffered. That is the goal. Pride or Petty Vengeance is a bad metric to use for your legal decision making. And as a general strategy you don’t want to roll the dice at a trial court over nothing but ego when the defendant is offering to make you whole. Meyer and his Lawyer have likely decided on what the minimal reasonable threshold they would accept for being made whole in this matter. They will base their settlement discussions and decisions on that and likely that alone. Do note that Meyer and his Attorney have refrained from playing any of this out in public. Other than acknowledging the lawsuit, when Waid announced it, Meyer has said almost nothing about it or Waid. Everything we know about it comes from Waid or public court documents, which we only know to look for because of Waid. Meyer isn’t using this for marketing or media bennies. There is no reason to think that doing so would be his end goal.
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What if a declaration of guilt is part of making Meyer whole?

Judge Dredd said:
Edit: For Mayer, simply walking away with the money and a verdict will be enough for this to be considered a win. While Waid being made an example of would be nice, I think the best outcome for Mayer is if this kind of lawsuit becomes common practice. I don't know if the Honey Badgers won their Calgary Expo lawsuit, but if they did this could be a wake up call for SJWs that there are limits.
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They lost the lawsuit
 
I honestly have no idea why people thought that Richard would refuse a good settlement offer because of culture wars or some dumb shit, Richard was always a realist who always backs down when things start to hit IRL stuff (always the wise thing to do btw).

Judge Dredd said:
Waid's cult won't be happy if he settles. It will be easy to spin it as "making a deal with an alt right neo nazi" which means he runs the risk of being metoo'd or just thrown to the wolves.
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:optimistic:, they could either keep silent on it, or vaguepost it like the settlement was minimal or on Waid's terms. That's the kind of thing that makes it so Meyer can't respond without disrespecting a court order.

I think that unless Meyer insists that the settlement terms are made public, he will always run the risk of dumb media games being played.
 
DragoonSierra said:
They lost the lawsuit
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That's a shame. Was there any reason given?

neural said:
:optimistic:, they could either keep silent on it, or vaguepost it like the settlement was minimal or on Waid's terms. That's the kind of thing that makes it so Meyer can't respond without disrespecting a court order.

I think that unless Meyer insists that the settlement terms are made public, he will always run the risk of dumb media games being played.
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Mayer doesn't have to worry about that. Waid and his cronies are going to smear him anyway. The worst case scenario is business as usual.
 
There's reasons on both sides to push beyond a quiet settlement, but Meyer has always presented as more realistic, reasonable and based in the actual world. If it were the other way around, I'm pretty sure Waid would take it as far as possible, based on his seemingly uncontrollable temper and need for vindication and revenge, but Meyer doesn't seem like the sort who would let a need for validation cloud a decent settlement.

I'd love it for Waid to get properly, legally BTFO, but I severely doubt we'd get that satisfactory an outcome. More likely Meyer will win, get damages, and we can hope there's something that requires Waid to shut the fuck up.

Judge Dredd said:
Waid's cult won't be happy if he settles. It will be easy to spin it as "making a deal with an alt right neo nazi" which means he runs the risk of being metoo'd or just thrown to the wolves.
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My expectation is they'll just sperg in standard SJW fashion, defending him. They'll blame it on the court being in Texas, they'll blame the rigged judicial system that has biases against black people as proof that it was unfair, they'll call Meyer an alt-right Nazi bigot some more ... basically, the victimhood mentality they're operating with gives them plenty of excuses as to why their guy not winning is the fault of their enemies, and nothing to do with the fact that he was legally completely, provably in the wrong.
 
Something to remember about Waid is that he's always been a fucking moron, and he has a pathological inability to stay out of trouble.

No matter what happens, we are going to be back here in this forum covering the guy again. He's that much of a prick.
 
Jaimas said:
Something to remember about Waid is that he's always been a fucking moron, and he has a pathological inability to stay out of trouble.

No matter what happens, we are going to be back here in this forum covering the guy again. He's that much of a prick.
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that's what I think to. Waid's the type of person who can never shut his mouth unless you are actively forcing him to do so
 
neural said:
Yo my peeps, I think you should be reading the Honey Badger threads before putting your weight in with some exceptional MRAs:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/karen...oney-badger-radio-honey-badger-brigade.40596/

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/hannah-wallen.12338/

Spoiler alert: they are major fuckheads and I wouldn't doubt that they fucked up something in that trial.
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They hired a disbarred lawyer. And managed to lose an otherwise un-losable case in which one of the defendants didn't offer a case or even show up. I think Fuck up is underselling it.
 
If they settled on the tortious interference in exchange for dropping the defamation suit then Waid supporters can just declare victory by calling Meyer a dumbass for suing Waid for defamation in the first place. It wouldn't be hard for them to just ignore the tortious interference and focus on the defamation suit because they're already doing that.

The headlines could read "Richard Meyer Drops Defamation Suit Against Mark Waid" and he'd be able to save face.
 
DragoonSierra said:
The judge hasnt ruled on jurisdiction yet guys. Why settle when your hail mary strat hasnt been smacked down yet?
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US federal Courts tend to be a little more predictable than Canadian lower tier ones. The Judge is unlikely to rule in favor of Waid regarding Jurisdiction because Waid is the textbook case for why Diversity Jurisdiction exists. The Plaintiff and Both Businesses wronged are in Texas. The Defendant perjured himself in his initial filing with regards to doing business in Texas and had to correct it. Ruling against Texas Jurisdiction would likely be ruled as reversible error on appeal. Ruling for Texas Jurisdiction would not.
 
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Judge Dredd said:
That got me thinking. SJWs have connections everywhere. Games companies, TV companies, politics, what are the chances of using said connections to make charges disappear?
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Not likely, since the trial's taking place in Texas which kind of gives Richard home court advantage. That was one of the reasons WHY Waid most likely wanted to change venues, since his lawyers probably realized how badly a Texas judge would react to Waid's bullshit.

Stoneheart said:
He cant take a silent deal if he wanna protect his brand. He needs Waid to make a statement publicly that what he did was wrong and he needs a non disparagement clause.
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The problem is that Waid's lawyers will use the later to basically extort Richard giving up on the former. Which is common practice in these sorts of things, though with the cavet that in these cases, the Waids usually end up paying double/triple what they'd pay if they lost at trial, EXPLICITLY to force the Richards in these situations to accept the Waids never publicly apologizing and agreeing to never shit talk them again.

The ending of "The Social Network" has a big speech about this, where Zuckerberg's lawyer spells out to him that he's an unlikeable shit and that he'll lose at trial and that he has only one option: not only settle with the Winklevoss twins, but pay more than they were suing for, to get them to sign the necessary non disparagement/disclosure agreement paperwork, that ensures Zuckerberg can continue spinning his lies about how he "created" Facebook while they are effectively silenced.

At this point, Waid's lawyers are probably doing the calculus of how much it's going to take to make EVERYTHING go away. To the point, that they are probably telling Waid point blank that if he insists on refusing to apologize and admit that he's a lying evil piece of shit, he's probably going to have to beggar himself (selling all of his nerd merch, his house, basically selling EVERYTHING he owns, and emptying all of his bank accounts/selling any investments he might have stock-wise) in order to find the magic number that will make Richard accept Waid never apologizing or admitting the evil shit he did publicly, along with any and all legal ballgags that Richard will have padlocked onto his face, to keep him from ever talking about Waid in public and the shit Waid did to him in public.

The lawyers probably feel that if they keep shoving settlement figures at Richard, he'll eventually cave. And cynically, probably feel that if they force Waid into a financially ruinous settlement, the knowledge that Waid won't have his nerd cave of rare/valuable nerd merch, his own private comic collection, a home to live in, a car to drive, any retirement savings to live off of, and generally speaking spending his final decades in squalor, will do more to make Richard feel that justice was served than any public apology and make him settle and the whole nightmare go away for Waid.
 
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MirrorNoir said:
The lawyers probably feel that if they keep shoving settlement figures at Richard, he'll eventually cave. And cynically, probably feel that if they force Waid into a financially ruinous settlement, the knowledge that Waid won't have his nerd cave of rare/valuable nerd merch, his own private comic collection, a home to live in, a car to drive, any retirement savings to live off of, and generally speaking spending his final decades in squalor, will do more to make Richard feel that justice was served than any public apology and make him settle and the whole nightmare go away for Waid.
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Both situations sound like a nightmare for Waid. He either has his self righteousness taken away or everything hes accomplished in life
 
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