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[frozenrunner]

Also I'm pretty sure the timeline for romulans and Borg won't line up - so it would have to involve time travel.

> implying this is a problem for Nu-Trek

I mean, classic Trek is lousy with time travel plots, but Discovery jumped into it with the, what, second season? Maybe the first? (I dunno, I don't watch that shit.)

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It's ironic because the books already gave an explanation for the borg's origins and it was stupid then.

It was the voyager probe wasn't it?

 

[Lithos]

It's ironic because the books already gave an explanation for the borg's origins and it was stupid then.

Also I'm pretty sure the timeline for romulans and Borg won't line up - so it would have to involve time travel.

I always wanted Species 0 to be forever the mystery. The eldritch nightmare that went so far as to try to attain perfection that way. I was gritting my teeth thinking that humans were responsible for the Borg in Discovery. I'm glad that was dropped. I hope it's not the Romulans either. Just leave them be as a mysterious force of nature (even though yeah, in the books, they got their butts eventually handed to them).

(But seriously, what is their origin story?)

 

[Flexo]

I'm warning you bastards...

I mean, I totally agree that like the Klingon makeup change, the Borg's origins (species 0) is best never explained. Though I have a buddy who will swear that Bubblegum Crisis 2040 is a great origin for the Borg. (I think he has some weird hang up on Pris.)

Spoiler: You can't go back

Ok, it's been awhile since I've checked and apparently there are several debates over the Borg origin. Some of these are less stupid, and one of them does involve the V'Gyer probe! But the latest one published as of right now and was in the large, crossover book "canon" AND key to ending THE Federation/Borg war was...

Spoiler: Last Chance

Borg history

This page details the History of the Borg Collective. Intelligence provided by Erika Hernandez during in the Borg Invasion of 2381 suggest the Borg have a definite point of origin from a crashed and temporally-displaced Caeliar cityship, Mantilis, in 4527 BC. However there has also been evidence...

memory-beta.fandom.com

In 4527 BC, the temporally displaced Caeliar known as Sedín forcibly bonded with three Humans from the 22nd century: United Earth Starfleet Lieutenants Karl Graylock and Kiona Thayer and United Earth MACO First Sergeant Gage Pembleton in a bid to survive the destruction of the Caeliar city-ship Mantilis in the frozen antarctic wastelands of Arehaz in the Delta Quadrant. Reduced to a state of pure hunger after having murdered her Caeliar compatriots, Sedín used her catoms to possess the minds and bodies of the Humans, transforming them into the first drones. Upon the arrival of a Kindir icebreaker later that year, the newly formed Collective targeted Arehaz for assimilation.​

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In consequence of the final free thought of Lieutenant Graylock (vowing that he will never be a "cyborg") imprinting upon the Collective consciousness, the new collective entity referred to itself as the Borg.​

Lost Souls

Starfleet Captain William T. Riker of the USS Titan made the most difficult decision of his career to that point, and agreed to former United Earth Starfleet Captain Erika Hernandez's assistance to depart New Erigol and escape the Caeliar. Doing so meant leaving behind his away team, including...

memory-beta.fandom.com

It will still not be as stupid as what Picard or Discovery are going to do...

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I'm warning you bastards...

I mean, I totally agree that like the Klingon makeup change, the Borg's origins (species 0) is best never explained. Though I have a buddy who will swear that Bubblegum Crisis 2040 is a great origin for the Borg. (I think he has some weird hang up on Pris.)

Spoiler: You can't go back

Ok, it's been awhile since I've checked and apparently there are several debates over the Borg origin. Some of these are less stupid, and one of them does involve the V'Gyer probe! But the latest one published as of right now and was in the large, crossover book "canon" AND key to ending THE Federation/Borg war was...

Spoiler: Last Chance

Borg history

This page details the History of the Borg Collective. Intelligence provided by Erika Hernandez during in the Borg Invasion of 2381 suggest the Borg have a definite point of origin from a crashed and temporally-displaced Caeliar cityship, Mantilis, in 4527 BC. However there has also been evidence...

memory-beta.fandom.com

In 4527 BC, the temporally displaced Caeliar known as Sedín forcibly bonded with three Humans from the 22nd century: United Earth Starfleet Lieutenants Karl Graylock and Kiona Thayer and United Earth MACO First Sergeant Gage Pembleton in a bid to survive the destruction of the Caeliar city-ship Mantilis in the frozen antarctic wastelands of Arehaz in the Delta Quadrant. Reduced to a state of pure hunger after having murdered her Caeliar compatriots, Sedín used her catoms to possess the minds and bodies of the Humans, transforming them into the first drones. Upon the arrival of a Kindir icebreaker later that year, the newly formed Collective targeted Arehaz for assimilation.​

​

In consequence of the final free thought of Lieutenant Graylock (vowing that he will never be a "cyborg") imprinting upon the Collective consciousness, the new collective entity referred to itself as the Borg.​

Lost Souls

Starfleet Captain William T. Riker of the USS Titan made the most difficult decision of his career to that point, and agreed to former United Earth Starfleet Captain Erika Hernandez's assistance to depart New Erigol and escape the Caeliar. Doing so meant leaving behind his away team, including...

memory-beta.fandom.com

It will still not be as stupid as what Picard or Discovery are going to do...

WTF is that shit, the V'ger probe stuff was better.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I am guessing the magic wormhole aliens, The Second Dax..and the start of the "REALISM!" stuff in regards to the federation and their super spy agency doing evil and dark things.

Even at their worst still more entertaining than anything that ever happened in VOY.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Even at their worst still more entertaining than anything that ever happened in VOY.

That's some rose colored glasses there, Every Star Trek has had some bad episodes.

 

[Lithos]

I'm warning you bastards...

I mean, I totally agree that like the Klingon makeup change, the Borg's origins (species 0) is best never explained. Though I have a buddy who will swear that Bubblegum Crisis 2040 is a great origin for the Borg. (I think he has some weird hang up on Pris.)

Spoiler: You can't go back

Ok, it's been awhile since I've checked and apparently there are several debates over the Borg origin. Some of these are less stupid, and one of them does involve the V'Gyer probe! But the latest one published as of right now and was in the large, crossover book "canon" AND key to ending THE Federation/Borg war was...

Spoiler: Last Chance

Borg history

This page details the History of the Borg Collective. Intelligence provided by Erika Hernandez during in the Borg Invasion of 2381 suggest the Borg have a definite point of origin from a crashed and temporally-displaced Caeliar cityship, Mantilis, in 4527 BC. However there has also been evidence...

memory-beta.fandom.com

In 4527 BC, the temporally displaced Caeliar known as Sedín forcibly bonded with three Humans from the 22nd century: United Earth Starfleet Lieutenants Karl Graylock and Kiona Thayer and United Earth MACO First Sergeant Gage Pembleton in a bid to survive the destruction of the Caeliar city-ship Mantilis in the frozen antarctic wastelands of Arehaz in the Delta Quadrant. Reduced to a state of pure hunger after having murdered her Caeliar compatriots, Sedín used her catoms to possess the minds and bodies of the Humans, transforming them into the first drones. Upon the arrival of a Kindir icebreaker later that year, the newly formed Collective targeted Arehaz for assimilation.​

​

In consequence of the final free thought of Lieutenant Graylock (vowing that he will never be a "cyborg") imprinting upon the Collective consciousness, the new collective entity referred to itself as the Borg.​

Lost Souls

Starfleet Captain William T. Riker of the USS Titan made the most difficult decision of his career to that point, and agreed to former United Earth Starfleet Captain Erika Hernandez's assistance to depart New Erigol and escape the Caeliar. Doing so meant leaving behind his away team, including...

memory-beta.fandom.com

It will still not be as stupid as what Picard or Discovery are going to do...

That's absolutely horrifying. Utterly stupid. Again, I prefer them to be some cosmic horror that gives you a virus, strips away your individuality, forces you to listen to listen to everyone's voice and follow the commands of a singular leader who spreads propaganda that together, as a mindless drone, you are perfection. A race that essentially commits patent fraud by taking everyone's tech, reverse engineering it, and making their own to produce.

I mean, nothing like anything in real life. Truly scary.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

That's some rose colored glasses there, Every Star Trek has had some bad episodes.

Bad DS9 is generally better than good VOY.

 

[KrewlKween]

so it would have to involve time travel.

That's almost a given of every new Trek at this point. There will for sure be some time travel, I'm betting on the part of Bruce Maddox.

 

[ZehnBoat]

this is from 2013 and i only just found out about this now

 

[RumblyTumbly]

If they go with the "Romulans created The Borg" theory, I'll laugh my ass off.

Wasn't the whole point of The Borg that they were a threat from a far off portion of the universe that the Federation (and any other entity that crossed their path) was ill-equipped to deal with it?

Its the kind of decision that makes the universe much smaller than it should be...kind of like Rey being a Palpatine.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

My heart dropped when rich suggested that the "big sthuper-duper ancient romulan sekrit" was that the romulans created the borg

This is like when I read the early spoilers for the last star wars movie or the final game of thrones season or the coming bondpocalypse and I felt my gut sink as my subconcious realised that what I was reading was so fucking hackfraudy and uncreative that it had to be the truth.

Its just such a lazy and easy "BIG AND SHOCKING AND WORLDCHANGING PLOT TWIST!" that only ever appeals to disiniterested execs who assume it will go over well with the normies and will make the "nurds" cream themselves, despite being so abject as to automatically render it unworthy of a solid 80% of crappy fanfics out there because of how unimaginative and cheaply obvious such a story is, and yet once again here we see massively paid hollywood goons shit out these ideas and have it treated as gold by their fellow idiots.

Fucking hell, even the shitshow of Nu-Nu-Who managed to give the Cybermen a better origin as some inevitable cosmic cycle of species cannibalising themselves and replacing more and more with cybernetics until they reach a state of obsessively trying to assimilate everything around them. If brainiacs like kurtzman were in charge they would have just said "oh yeah the daleks created them with the help of the master" or some shit

Suddenly the old theory that the Borg originated from V'Ger time travel fuckery doesn't sound so bad...

 

[King Dead]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7ASjbZQuSdI:101
this is from 2013 and i only just found out about this now

I really miss their convention videos. The NoBrand Con one is by far the best of the ones they did, from Mike keeling over after trying to act like a hyped-up internet host to the montage of Mike standing around awkwardly throughout the con. It's a shame they don't seem to do conventions anymore.

 

[KrewlKween]

They still did cons when youtube was their funny side thing and they were hustling to get their movies recognized. Now youtube is their full time gig. I remember one of those con vids they had a screening and Q&A and maybe like 10 people came. Could you imagine the turn out of they did any public event now? I kind of feel bad for them that their fanbase scares them so much they literally shut out their personal lives and do 0 fan interactions.

 

[BScCollateral]

I kind of feel bad for them that their fanbase scares them so much they literally shut out their personal lives and do 0 fan interactions.

Can't blame them, I wouldn't interact with me voluntarily.

 

[Miller]

I was gritting my teeth thinking that humans were responsible for the Borg in Discovery. I'm glad that was dropped.

I have a feeling that it was their original idea but they dropped it at the last minute as they changed (again) the showrunner.

 

[Trig.Point]

They still did cons when youtube was their funny side thing and they were hustling to get their movies recognized. Now youtube is their full time gig. I remember one of those con vids they had a screening and Q&A and maybe like 10 people came. Could you imagine the turn out of they did any public event now? I kind of feel bad for them that their fanbase scares them so much they literally shut out their personal lives and do 0 fan interactions.

I kind of respect the way they've pulled back from the fanbase and just kept going with their original premise. There's a lot of threads on this Forum about YouTubers who turn out to be arseholes, and people are somehow shocked that the people who they religiously watch a video by every two weeks turn out to be dickheads.

Redletter media give you exactly what you pay for (or don't) a consistent high quality product, I don't need them to interact with me for 5 seconds at some shitty convention.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

Flashback. Bonus for Dink Evan's most Milwaukee accent ever.

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

Is he still making videos?

I thought he died...like...a bajillion years ago.