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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Dr. Geronimo said:
I feel like every time they bring up DS9 should be cause for celebration.

How the fuck can you like Voyager more than DS9 Mike?
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That's a hell of a good question. Voyager has some good episodes. But mostly it sucks ass. DS9 is awesome, no matter what. Christ I'm trying to spell this shit drunk! Thank God for spell check, otherwise this would be a bunch of jibrish. Nothing like getting drunk after work. Bloody fuck!
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
I feel like every time they bring up DS9 should be cause for celebration.

How the fuck can you like Voyager more than DS9 Mike?
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I think it's kind of like Rich's insistence that you can't do very much with Star Wars. There are truckloads of books, comics, and games that show he's completely wrong, but he has a very particular, narrow view of what Star Wars is about. Mike sometimes seems to have a similar opinion of Trek: episodic rather than serial; new adventures about exploration and mystery rather than political maneuvering and intrigue; weird new Forehead Alien of the Week rather than in depth examination of established alien races. To be fair, this is exactly the sort of fan Voyager was intended to cater to after DS9 had alienated a big chunk of them. DS9's reputation has strengthened over the years; at the time it was often regarded as the redheaded stepchild of the franchise.

These guys have fantastic insights into many films, but they're blinkered when it comes to their favorites.
 
Truthboi said:
Not to derail things but the way Mike and Rich are describing Nu-Trek makes it sound like they are trying to turn Star Trek into Modern Star Wars.
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Kurtzman Trek is everything but Star Trek, and the Picard spin-off is slowly turning into a carbon copy of STD.
 
My heart dropped when rich suggested that the "big sthuper-duper ancient romulan sekrit" was that the romulans created the borg

This is like when I read the early spoilers for the last star wars movie or the final game of thrones season or the coming bondpocalypse and I felt my gut sink as my subconcious realised that what I was reading was so fucking hackfraudy and uncreative that it had to be the truth.

Its just such a lazy and easy "BIG AND SHOCKING AND WORLDCHANGING PLOT TWIST!" that only ever appeals to disiniterested execs who assume it will go over well with the normies and will make the "nurds" cream themselves, despite being so abject as to automatically render it unworthy of a solid 80% of crappy fanfics out there because of how unimaginative and cheaply obvious such a story is, and yet once again here we see massively paid hollywood goons shit out these ideas and have it treated as gold by their fellow idiots.

Fucking hell, even the shitshow of Nu-Nu-Who managed to give the Cybermen a better origin as some inevitable cosmic cycle of species cannibalising themselves and replacing more and more with cybernetics until they reach a state of obsessively trying to assimilate everything around them. If brainiacs like kurtzman were in charge they would have just said "oh yeah the daleks created them with the help of the master" or some shit
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
I feel like every time they bring up DS9 should be cause for celebration.

How the fuck can you like Voyager more than DS9 Mike?
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They kind of explain it, DS9 to them is the anti star trek where most people see a more realistic understanding of how politics and life would be at an outpost in the metaphorical boonies they see a show that is designed to challenge startrek. Both mike and rich love the hopefulness of star trek and the ability to discuss grandiose concepts. Comparatively, they see DS9 as a more edgy version of startrek where the federation isn't a hopeful glimpse into the future but a more realistic understanding of what humanity is. Also DS9 can have some really silly concepts and tends to turn people off when they realize cisco is the messiah. That being said at least the got good taste, I think most of the supporting cast for DS9 is amazing ,dax excluded, but they now that Garak stands out.




I'll throw in the obligatory or it's because their hack frauds that hate DS9 because Cisco is black here
 
Rich sounded like he was talking about Mass Effect 3 when he was making those predictions for awful future Picard plot lines.
 
Not to bring back something from a page ago, but "joker should've won" guy from the parasite review literally has soy beard syndrome so bad. TDS really bites both ways doesn't it? Honestly I just keep praying that the guys keep steering away from politics as much as possible.
 
They didn't really say they liked VOY more than DS9 tho. They were mostly talking about how VOY, despite all its faults and inconsistent writing, still had some really good episodes and wasn't afraid to just have some fun and silly adventures. Hell, even Threshold has shit going for it if you just don't take it seriously at all.

With DS9, I get the impression Mike's issues with it is not the semi-serialised aspect of it or even the overall story, but how the Dominion War developed and how the other big plot points concluded. With the former I feel like he just didn't like the parts that went full SW with their pew pews (which, admittedly, wasn't a lot). With the latter, I absolutely agree that Sisko/Dukat/Winn's storyline was concluded so poorly and lazily it's almost insulting. Sisko apparently didn't have any more issues with being Space Jesus, Dukat became a literal demon who fell down a cliff and Winn, after getting a good dicking from Dukat, ended up getting burned alive (but not before "redeeming" herself at the very last second, I guess). Two our of the three main villains of the show got an ending that was incredibly ridiculous while the Female Founder, as they said in the re:view, got an ending more rooted in real life. DS9 did a lot of things that were unique to the ST franchise, but they also had to nail the ending, which they didn't.
 
trekkor said:
They didn't really say they liked VOY more than DS9 tho. They were mostly talking about how VOY, despite all its faults and inconsistent writing, still had some really good episodes and wasn't afraid to just have some fun and silly adventures. Hell, even Threshold has shit going for it if you just don't take it seriously at all.

With DS9, I get the impression Mike's issues with it is not the semi-serialised aspect of it or even the overall story, but how the Dominion War developed and how the other big plot points concluded. With the former I feel like he just didn't like the parts that went full SW with their pew pews (which, admittedly, wasn't a lot). With the latter, I absolutely agree that Sisko/Dukat/Winn's storyline was concluded so poorly and lazily it's almost insulting. Sisko apparently didn't have any more issues with being Space Jesus, Dukat became a literal demon who fell down a cliff and Winn, after getting a good dicking from Dukat, ended up getting burned alive (but not before "redeeming" herself at the very last second, I guess). Two our of the three main villains of the show got an ending that was incredibly ridiculous while the Female Founder, as they said in the re:view, got an ending more rooted in real life. DS9 did a lot of things that were unique to the ST franchise, but they also had to nail the ending, which they didn't.
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I have no idea why they went all Space Jesus and Space Devil, the series itself was great and then it just left turns into that. I love DS9 probably the most out of all the Trek because it spends so much time on the alien cultures and how the federation functions with them but that ending really does hurt it I mean they just make Sisko disappear and then that's it lol, fuck u now Sisko is gone all you have to watch is Voy and action Picard movies.
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
I feel like every time they bring up DS9 should be cause for celebration.

How the fuck can you like Voyager more than DS9 Mike?
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I am guessing the magic wormhole aliens, The Second Dax..and the start of the "REALISM!" stuff in regards to the federation and their super spy agency doing evil and dark things.
 
I'm glad they're going to continue talking about the series. I think they realized they get great views whenever they give a Trek rant and it's not something they have to shy away from. It's some of their best content because it's something they are genuinely interested in talking about. I have a lot of issues with Picard and most of them have been echoed by Mike and Rich. My complaint with the Vasquez rocks hovel wasn't the part where poor people technically shouldn't exist but the part that her fucking trailer is right in front of Vasquez rocks. Like it's not a park anymore in the year 2399 and you can just park a shit trailer literally anywhere by any monument you want.

I do think Mike is wrong though there is no fucking way Dahj-a-vu whatever the sisters name is is a Q. It's stupid enough to work but I simply don't think the writers were smart enough to come to that conclusion. I want him to be right about the sunglasses thing though because it would imply the writers actually thought about the what-ifs and it wasn't just "lol super spy people wear sunglasses to look cool" or something. There's obviously some secret with the Zhat Vash and the borg and that they're probably responsible for the creation of the borg. And maybe whatever seed they used to make the first borg is now a part of Dahj-a-vu and she's like super OP borg queen or some shit.
 
KrewlKween said:
I'm glad they're going to continue talking about the series. I think they realized they get great views whenever they give a Trek rant and it's not something they have to shy away from. It's some of their best content because it's something they are genuinely interested in talking about. I have a lot of issues with Picard and most of them have been echoed by Mike and Rich. My complaint with the Vasquez rocks hovel wasn't the part where poor people technically shouldn't exist but the part that her fucking trailer is right in front of Vasquez rocks. Like it's not a park anymore in the year 2399 and you can just park a shit trailer literally anywhere by any monument you want.

I do think Mike is wrong though there is no fucking way Dahj-a-vu whatever the sisters name is is a Q. It's stupid enough to work but I simply don't think the writers were smart enough to come to that conclusion. I want him to be right about the sunglasses thing though because it would imply the writers actually thought about the what-ifs and it wasn't just "lol super spy people wear sunglasses to look cool" or something. There's obviously some secret with the Zhat Vash and the borg and that they're probably responsible for the creation of the borg. And maybe whatever seed they used to make the first borg is now a part of Dahj-a-vu and she's like super OP borg queen or some shit.
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It's ironic because the books already gave an explanation for the borg's origins and it was stupid then.

Also I'm pretty sure the timeline for romulans and Borg won't line up - so it would have to involve time travel.
 
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