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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,073
They call bashir a rapist but he spent, at most, 1.5 episodes pursuing Jadzia, and immediately gave up and went after, in order: a cripple, a woman who can't move or speak, and a retard who thinks you kick the ball in baseball.

Wait maybe he is a rapist...
 
They call bashir a rapist but he spent, at most, 1.5 episodes pursuing Jadzia, and immediately gave up and went after, in order: a cripple, a woman who can't move or speak, and a retard who thinks you kick the ball in baseball.

Wait maybe he is a rapist...
Its ironic how Bashir arguably has the best character development of the entire cast. Especially considering they seriously considered killing him off at multiple points and for a while didn't know how to write him.

When they finally lock in and gave his backstory, it explained so much about his character you'd think they planned it all out. The reality is the half assed it at the last min, but it legit explained everything perfectly.
 
So who is responsible for the NüTrek singalong/puppet eps?
Kids who were big fans of Buffy/Angel.

No I'm not really joking or making it up.

I know that "it gets better after [x] episodes" is kind of a meme, along with "the first season of a Trek show is always the worst," but DS9 really does take a little bit to get going. In the first season, they seemed to be having some difficulty with figuring out what they wanted to do with it, so it frequently feels like TNG but with a different cast for a while. I think that's why you see a fair number of episodes of some of the crew getting on a runabout to go explore some Gamma Quadrant world; maybe some executive thought it would be too boring to spend all their time on the station. As time goes on and more serial storylines are introduced, along with a healthy dose of character development, it starts to hit its stride and set itself apart from TNG. It helps that it maintains a healthy balance of serial and episodic storytelling as well, so a lot of episodes are enjoyable on their own even if they're referencing events from earlier episodes.

I'm not saying you should drop everything and marathon DS9 right now (well, maybe), but I can understand why you were having issues with it, especially if you jumped into it straight after TNG. Hell, I'd really understand if you had problems with VOY after TNG.
If someone needs to get a taste of DS9, watch the episode "The Visitor." It's stand alone, you can get what's going on from context, and it's outstanding.

Don't release three episodes at once.
Ironic because Andor S2 only needed the last 3 episode. Skip the first 9.
 
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I always wondered if the fact that DS9 and Babylon 5 aired during the same period had any impact on DS9. That was a really good period for Sci-Fi TV. I watched both shows, each one had their strengths and their own fun characters.
DS9 and Babylon 5 had a heated fandom rivalry on par with Hal Jordon vs Kyle Rayner, Mike vs Joel, Kimberly vs Amanda, and Rap vs Alternative Rock. Lots of people claiming that DS9 ripped off Babylon 5 and JMS taking potshots against DS9 on Babylon 5. It was a crazy time, especially since DS9 itself got tossed on the back burner for Voyager when that show launched as certain folk felt that Voyager was the real heir to TOS and TNG, while DS9 was the "experiment" that was too profitable and loved to kill, especially given how UPN has really shitty carriage in the early days, meaning DS9 had more eyeballs on it even if promotion was largely devoted to shilling Voyager.
 
DS9 is where I gave up on TV Trek. Just couldn't get into it after TNG. I'll slog through this, they probably have more interesting takes on it than the show itself had. I know it's supposed to be the best trek after TOS/TNG, but I after a few eps I gave up.
A great season 1 episode of DS9 is Duet. It is very Jewish-coded though.
 
>let's talk about DS9 season 1!
>the first ten minutes are Mike sperging and hopecasting about the current state of Star Trek while Rich Evans tries to act interested


Fine episode but I liked Re:View better when it wasn't Mike has to get his therapy session in before the episode actually starts
 
I always wondered if the fact that DS9 and Babylon 5 aired during the same period had any impact on DS9. That was a really good period for Sci-Fi TV. I watched both shows, each one had their strengths and their own fun characters.
JMS did approach Paramount first to produce Babylon 5 so they did have his show bible when they started production of DS9. There's a couple of characters that share the same or very similar sounding names in both shows. Beyond that there isn't that much in common and are different enough to not get into legal trouble.
 
JMS did approach Paramount first to produce Babylon 5 so they did have his show bible when they started production of DS9. There's a couple of characters that share the same or very similar sounding names in both shows. Beyond that there isn't that much in common and are different enough to not get into legal trouble.

I think it's pretty well-established that the Deep Space Nine station itself was a rejected design for the Babylon 5 station.

Regardless, the rivalry was typical mouthbreather fandom stupidity. Looking back, the nerds should have been down on their knees grateful that two great sci-fi series were airing at the same time, because my goodness just look at the state of things now.
 
The mature viewer will see that the Cardassians were right and Gul Dukat did nothing wrong
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The mature viewer will see that the Cardassians were right and Gul Dukat did nothing wrong

You know this led to an early example of a show's writers changing the material just to piss off the audience? Gul Dukat had such a lively, devoted fanbase that they deliberately wrote one DS9's most hamfisted episodes just to rub the audience's nose in the idea Dukat was a racist bigot heckin' evil villain. It's the one where he's trapped on some planet with Sisko and goes off on spittle-flecked rants about how much he hates Bajorans and their stupid noses. Yes, really.
 
I'm 10 minutes in and it's just Mike bitching about Star Trek (edit: the franchise) again.

For how much they think themselves above the redditors and nerds, they sure can't let go of their fucking IP and "canon".
 
Yes, it's fucked up. If I had a small channel with a few thousand viewers and made $50 a stream I would invite friends to come hang out for free. If I was making hundreds of thousands a month I would feel guilty if I didn't force my friend to take at least a couple thousand for a video appearance. The fact Jack is ok with this is proof he's a cuck.

Are we sure Mike isn't a Polish Jew?
I do think it's rather surprising that RLM's more leftist fans haven't raked them over the coal for this.

I'm sure there aren't a lot of fans of him in this thread, but Nerdrotic has at least 2-3 full time employees helping with videos and streams. He also has 2-3 regular livestream shows where he pays his co-hosts regularly. Their viewership and subscriber numbers aren't terribly different. The counter argument would be that Nerdrotic streams a whole bunch and has other sorts of supplemental income. But that's not a great argument because A) I thought that was the point of the Patreon and B) there is no excuse to not make a regular stream or podcast that would make more than enough to pay their friends who help on the channel.

I guess another argument would be that they have more overhead which if that shitty warehouse isn't outright owned by them now then they're truly stupid. And no, I don't think RLM puts in *that* much more effort in their videos, aside from best of the worst episodes, they're typically shot-reverse shot, two people sitting in a room, talking which Mike loves.

I suppose it's evidence for how unpopular people like Aids Moby truly are that no one has ever bothered fought to have him payed regularly.
 
I do think it's rather surprising that RLM's more leftist fans haven't raked them over the coal for this.

I'm sure there aren't a lot of fans of him in this thread, but Nerdrotic has at least 2-3 full time employees helping with videos and streams. He also has 2-3 regular livestream shows where he pays his co-hosts regularly. Their viewership and subscriber numbers aren't terribly different. The counter argument would be that Nerdrotic streams a whole bunch and has other sorts of supplemental income. But that's not a great argument because A) I thought that was the point of the Patreon and B) there is no excuse to not make a regular stream or podcast that would make more than enough to pay their friends who help on the channel.

I guess another argument would be that they have more overhead which if that shitty warehouse isn't outright owned by them now then they're truly stupid. And no, I don't think RLM puts in *that* much more effort in their videos, aside from best of the worst episodes, they're typically shot-reverse shot, two people sitting in a room, talking which Mike loves.

I suppose it's evidence for how unpopular people like Aids Moby truly are that no one has ever bothered fought to have him payed regularly.
Well, Nerdrotic is a felon. He went to prison for burglary and making/selling meth. If you try to be unfair or disrespectful to people in the drug business or in prison, that ends one way or another real fast.
 
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I can't help but feel a mix of irony and amusement about how the Red Letter Media crew has inspired so much gay fan fiction and art ever since the "not the gays" meme took off. It’s like, despite the meme's intention, the fandom’s affection for Mike Stolas has only grown stronger. Honestly, Reddit seems completely enamored with Mike Stolas—there's this overwhelming desire to fuck him. In the bottom P-Diddy kind of way.
 
The mature viewer will see that the Cardassians were right and Gul Dukat did nothing wrong
I like to compare Dukat as a very interesting mirror to Kirk. The problem is he doesn't have the human moral system or steady companions to balance him out. Everything he does also makes sense through the lens of cardiassian morality.


You know this led to an early example of a show's writers changing the material just to piss off the audience? Gul Dukat had such a lively, devoted fanbase that they deliberately wrote one DS9's most hamfisted episodes just to rub the audience's nose in the idea Dukat was a racist bigot heckin' evil villain. It's the one where he's trapped on some planet with Sisko and goes off on spittle-flecked rants about how much he hates Bajorans and their stupid noses. Yes, really.
Thing is, the acting and writing was good enough to sell it as a psychotic break. The man was basically in the process of going insane from loss and that whole experience pushed him over the edge to embrace the worst aspects of himself.
 
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