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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
But other than Chronicle, what has he done that's any good?

Bright is a good concept that was completely wasted on telling a generic buddy cop drama.
Victor Frankenstein was an unfocused mess.
American Ultra is meh.
Shadow in the Cloud I like to an extent but it's just fucking retarded and it's also weird that a female empowerment movie is written by a rapey dude..
Me Him Her, the one he also directed, is a piece of shit.

Just because he has a few ideas doesn't mean shit, Stephenie Meyer has ideas, The Host was a really interesting concept for a romance but..... so?
He should just give an initial idea, get paid $50 for it and then piss off so that someone with actual writing skills can write a movie based on that.
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The biggest problem with Bright was that it was the first of a trilogy that got scrapped when Landis got cancelled.

All the real worldbuilding was being saved for part II.
 
Samuel Fuller said:
The biggest problem with Bright was that it was the first of a trilogy that got scrapped when Landis got cancelled.

All the real worldbuilding was being saved for part II.
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I found the worldbuilding boring.
It's just our world except the niggers are orcs and the Jews are elves.
Wow, how groundbreaking.

The city is just your average American city, everything looks normal. It would not fucking look normal if there were 5 different sentient species on Earth and humans weren't even the highest evolved one.
You would have architecture that is Tolkien-esque, you would have different customs in society and yet, it's just our world but fairies instead of rats.

Even just improving the art design would completely change the feel of this movie.
Have, for example, the orc ghetto not just look like a nigger ghetto with orcs walking around in wifebeaters, have it look like it was influenced by another species, steal some art designs from Warcraft or D&D if you have to and tweak ithem a little to make it legally distinct.

You could easily remove all the fantasy elements from the movie and the story wouldn't change one bit, that shouldn't be the case.
This felt like a first draft that should have been rewritten, especially since they wanted this to be a huge franchise with possible interconnected spin offs.
 
Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
You could easily remove all the fantasy elements from the movie and the story wouldn't change one bit, that shouldn't be the case.
This felt like a first draft that should have been rewritten, especially since they wanted this to be a huge franchise with possible interconnected spin offs.
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It needed more polish, that's true, I won't defend it as perfectly polished, but there was a good core. However the central conceit of the story is literally over magical wishes. If you removed the fantasy elements you literally lose the driving tension and conflict of the movie. (Because the current world doesn't have anything near as tempting as literal wish granting.)
 
Flexo said:
However the central conceit of the story is literally over magical wishes. If you removed the fantasy elements you literally lose the driving tension and conflict of the movie.
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The way they showed the magic wand in the movie, it was a superweapon that works only if you have the correct genetics that the weapon recognizes.
It's literally the Lawgiver from Judge Dredd and it you had that instead of the wand, the story would be exactly the same.
 
Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
The way they showed the magic wand in the movie, it was a superweapon that works only if you have the correct genetics that the weapon recognizes.
It's literally the Lawgiver from Judge Dredd and it you had that instead of the wand, the story would be exactly the same.
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So a random drug dealer is going to be all "if I get this judge's gun, I can bring my child back from the dead"? I missed that somewhere in Dredd lore.
 
Flexo said:
So a random drug dealer is going to be all "if I get this judge's gun, I can bring my child back from the dead"? I missed that somewhere in Dredd lore.
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The plot progression is exactly the same, just 1 line if dialogue changes.
What I'm trying to get at is that Bright is a standard by the book cop action drama with a fantasy skin on top of it.
You change the skin into sci fi and have the wand be an alien gadget, it's the same story with the same events.

The TV show Alien Nation has the same exact set up as Bright except it's sci fi:
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However, this one has an excuse for being set in our mundane world because this is basically District 9 - alien refugees show up we have to deal with them.
There is a subplot in the show about some of the aliens looking for lost tech which could help them conquer Earth, same shit as Bright, only some of the words (mostly nouns) are different.
 
Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
I found the worldbuilding boring.
It's just our world except the niggers are orcs and the Jews are elves.
Wow, how groundbreaking.

The city is just your average American city, everything looks normal. It would not fucking look normal if there were 5 different sentient species on Earth and humans weren't even the highest evolved one.
You would have architecture that is Tolkien-esque, you would have different customs in society and yet, it's just our world but fairies instead of rats.

Even just improving the art design would completely change the feel of this movie.
Have, for example, the orc ghetto not just look like a nigger ghetto with orcs walking around in wifebeaters, have it look like it was influenced by another species, steal some art designs from Warcraft or D&D if you have to and tweak ithem a little to make it legally distinct.

You could easily remove all the fantasy elements from the movie and the story wouldn't change one bit, that shouldn't be the case.
This felt like a first draft that should have been rewritten, especially since they wanted this to be a huge franchise with possible interconnected spin offs.
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Because the entire thing is basically Shadowrun with the name filed off of it.
 
p1138 said:
Because the entire thing is basically Shadowrun with the name filed off of it.
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For the most part it's not interesting enough to be Shadowrun. I have an alternate theory.

Mola Ram said:
I hated Bright mostly because it was painfully obvious that somewhere in one of Max Landis's apartments there's a stack of old Shadowrun books and probably a copy of that old Urban Arcana supplement for d20 Modern covered with notes and hi-lighter marks.
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Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
I found the worldbuilding boring.
It's just our world except the niggers are orcs and the Jews are elves.
Wow, how groundbreaking.

The city is just your average American city, everything looks normal. It would not fucking look normal if there were 5 different sentient species on Earth and humans weren't even the highest evolved one.
You would have architecture that is Tolkien-esque, you would have different customs in society and yet, it's just our world but fairies instead of rats.

Even just improving the art design would completely change the feel of this movie.
Have, for example, the orc ghetto not just look like a nigger ghetto with orcs walking around in wifebeaters, have it look like it was influenced by another species, steal some art designs from Warcraft or D&D if you have to and tweak ithem a little to make it legally distinct.

You could easily remove all the fantasy elements from the movie and the story wouldn't change one bit, that shouldn't be the case.
This felt like a first draft that should have been rewritten, especially since they wanted this to be a huge franchise with possible interconnected spin offs.
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Bright clearly had a lot of potential to be something fairly new and not really done before, but they fucked it with all the racism allegory shit, and they didn't even actually TRY with world building it. It's literally our world, but with fantasy races as allegory, and it's actually kind of retarded. As I said, Bright had potential to be a Shadowrun we never got, but they didn't stick the landing with it.
 
marvlouslie said:
Bright clearly had a lot of potential to be something fairly new and not really done before
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Oh, definitely.
I was waiting for a while to get a fantasy setting done not in the tired medieval period but today.
marvlouslie said:
It's literally our world, but with fantasy races as allegory, and it's actually kind of retarded
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The movie was made right as BLM was getting really popular internationally.
I bet they thought that this would sell well.

Also, I've just read that the sequel was going ahead smooth-ish enough but then, Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and Netflix bailed on it. :)
 
Beelzebub's Lawyer said:
Oh, definitely.
I was waiting for a while to get a fantasy setting done not in the tired medieval period but today.

The movie was made right as BLM was getting really popular internationally.
I bet they thought that this would sell well.

Also, I've just read that the sequel was going ahead smooth-ish enough but then, Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and Netflix bailed on it. :)
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Orc-on-orc crime is swept under the rug yet again...
 
Just realized that they never made a HITB for Project Hail Mary. I'm surprised since most people consider it one of the best movies in a long time.
 
jallsballs said:
what? who considers it one of the best movies in a long time?
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It's a well made movie that's optimistic and not too preachy (just a little preachy but in a way that 90's movies were preachy so it's tolerable).
Also, it's an original standalone movie.
In an era where everything with a big budget is some reboot or a sequel bogged down by focus group testing, partisan politics and endless rewrites and reshoots, this stands out in a good way.

Gosling is one of the few white dudes in Hollywood that people don't hate yet, Goddard is a competent screenwriter (he was also the showrunner for the Netflix Daredevil show... you know, the good one) and Lord and Miller generally make decent entertainment (they haven't made a bad movie yet).

They put together a good team for this movie and the marketing was solid.
 
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