Red Letter Media

[TheMonkeyMan]

 

[Biker]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IPitD1eYLiM

my takeaway is Mike got tricked by an AI Star Trek video and is mad about it.
Archive: https://preservetube.com/watch?v=IPitD1eYLiM

 

[I'm a Silly]

Rich doesn't have to 'do a voice' to sound dumb.

 

[derapples]

They didn't really have anything insightful to say about AI. Pretty much the same conversations about AI I've had with people and I've seen other people have a million times before. Though watching this did make me have one interesting thought, every problem they (and me) had with AI are really problems that already existed but AI has made worse.
The algorithm of short-form videos and the endless social media feeds were already a problem, AI just allowed people to put the slop into over drive.
Companies laying people off when new technology can replace them has always been a thing, AI just threatens to do this on a mass scale.
And unoriginality was already a problem with large budget films, just look at all the endless remakes and sequels of the past decade. AI just allows them to be even lazier and souless than they already were.
It makes me wonder how the reaction to AI could have been different if our society was radically different in some way. Like, for example, say social media didn't exist in the way it currently does. Say the feed or algorithm always trying to show you an endless stream of videos never came to be, how differently would people react to being able to make videos with just text prompts? An ultimately pointless thought, but I found it interesting I guess.

 

[Dog Rough]

3 auld geezers talk about what they watch on tiktok in the most boring manner possible.

 

[Kether]

Sven Stoffels is indeed a KF user. Null's even had him as a guest on MATI

saying Sven is a KF user is like saying Linus from LTT is a KF User, his only posts were to shill his Go Fund Me years back. i think he made just as many posts as Linus too.

Also i don't think Sven has fully admitted to running that account yet.

Say the feed or algorithm always trying to show you an endless stream of videos never came to be, how differently would people react to being able to make videos with just text prompts? An ultimately pointless thought, but I found it interesting I guess.

i remember people thought it was a cool novelty back in the 2010s when it fucking sucked. remember google's AI "dream vision" neural net?

like in a pre-tiktok era, it would have probably been seen less like it would destroy society and just have been like another tool in the arsenal.

like "high quality GIFS" was huge on reddit in the 2010s and the biggest users of the era just drew or made gifs as comments. AI would have made it even easier for people to do that.

I could see people in the pre-fappening era of the internet treating AI as super cool, but that was also back when the internet was more optimistic as well. the "don't be evil" era where people could embrace the silly parts of tech. I remember advice animals linking to meme template generators and AI would be the natural extension of that.

I could even see some writers discuss AI in an intelligent way, like using it to help develop premises or check if their joke is similar to someone else's.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

I had to skip half of this video because I have absolutely no tolerance for vertical videos anymore. They are so bad they're not even worth mentioning. The Internet is a chaotic mess nowadays and all this random junk is only making it worse. They mention "misinformation", which is the System's codeword for "competition". I don't need a big watermark on a video to tell me it's fake. Fuck you, Like Like Stoklasa. I'm tired of red arrows pointing at everything and animated captions for the deaf. When was the last time you read a book, Like Like Stoklasa? Like, like, you know. Where it's like. And then I'm like, and then he's like. [insert a video of a cute pitbull taking a fat shit on a baby that's on fire with subs explaining all 5 seconds of it]

AI is interesting from a technical standpoint, but that's very complicated and they obviously know nothing about that. There was a guy on Youtube who'd make really good sounding instrumentals of metal songs. He'd describe the process in the description. I couldn't understand a single sentence. I might as well try to learn the basics of endocrinology in 5 minutes.

 

[khaine]

I am disappointed with how lazy they are in their own critique of AI. They even talk about how they laughed at the Stephen hawking videos, but then refuse to engage why they aren't art.

Like, you can make the same argument about many rap songs, they take bits of other songs and combine them together. We still feel that they are a new artistic creation. What about all the magic done with computers, which before had to be done by hand? Their is still a whole bunch of artistry that foes into that, even though its often using physics simulations and AI underneath. Do they just hate that now art been democratised, that the skill level to create art has gone down?

Like I get hating AI slop, and shit art. But you know Jesus in a piss jar is shit art, and faggots defend that shit.


Seriously, at least have some fucking decent arguments. This was just lazy. As lazy as AI slop.

 

[Biker]

Do they just hate that now art been democratised, that the skill level to create art has gone down?

i always skip their skits and i refuse to watch their films based on the poor pacing of their sketches, so im going to have to ask did they even have a skill level?

 

[I'm a Silly]

I have never played Final Fantasy, but one has to assume that RLM was aware that it was at least a game. When they complained that the film version had an uncanny valley problem, it made no sense, because the film was 1:1 the presentation of the game's best graphics, if not greater in resolution/simulation. Were they hoping for live action?

 

[Ferrari Lamborghini]

you can make the same argument about many rap songs, they take bits of other songs and combine them together. We still feel that they are a new artistic creation

We? Nobody but mutts like you think it's "a new artistic creation" when some black guy steals ten seconds of someone else's song and makes noises over it for three minutes.

What about all the magic done with computers, which before had to be done by hand?

That's the best argument against AI. That was a case of computers being used as tools to create something in the way you want. When you write "Godzilla fighting Spock in an active volcano" you're not involved in the process of creating the video beyond that prompt.

Do they just hate that now art been democratised, that the skill level to create art has gone down?

I will never understand spergs coming to Kiwifarms of all places to simp for a lowering of standards. These same low standards are what brought us Moonlight, Minecraft The Movie, Ghostbusters 2016 and whatever the name of that musical about a trans cartel member was that got like 30 Oscar nominations. Do you just want to be fed slop that badly?

If anything, we need to make art as hard as fucking possible. Only that way can we weed out all the Deviantart "artists," all the bitchy VAs, all the "writers" churned out by universities' creative writing programs shitting out one book after another about trans lesbian werewolf vampires.

If you can't be bothered to actually put some time and effort into what you're doing and develop some skills, you don't deserve to waste people's time with your slop.

We didn't have DA degenerates getting their inflation art seen before digital art and the internet lowered standards, cause they didn't make the cut and got to till fields instead.

 

[Biker]

We? Nobody but mutts like you

We didn't have DA degenerates

who are you speaking on behalf of?

 

[Well Intentioned]

AI is just a tool. People trying to use it for a replacement for creative spark are going to be on the level of Patrick Tomlinson or that Pizzacake moron. But it doesn't make it the Great Satan or whatever in and of itself.

The over reliance and the ouroboros we're getting into now where AI is starting to feed of off AI gen shit and we're getting this slurry of crap is a problem and I'd argue we're getting into a reverse Wikipedia problem with AI now -- whereas Wikipedia had issues with it being too reliant on user generated content (and thus, mistakes, misinformation or agendas creeping into articles) AI has a problem of not enough user participation. The speculator's bubble over this industry needs to burst quickly, if only so those who actually give a shit about its use can get back to doing shit with it.

I also watched Michael Mann's Thief over the weekend and it's crazy how limitations can make for a more visually interesting/creative work. Which, I mean, is an old adage re: creative work -- the more limited you are in what you can do, the more creative you can get. But it made me realize how tuned out I am to modern cinema.

I have never played Final Fantasy, but one has to assume that RLM was aware that it was at least a game. When they complained that the film version had an uncanny valley problem, it made no sense, because the film was 1:1 the presentation of the game's best graphics, if not greater in resolution/simulation. Were they hoping for live action?

I haven't seen the video but if they're talking about the early 2000s Spirits Within film, that film had a lot of issues and it had nothing really tied to the Final Fantasy series.

If they're talking about one of the various FF7 films, I'm shocked that they would even acknowledge that.

 

[Idiotron]

If anything, we need to make art as hard as fucking possible.

FUCK NO!!!

Art used to be only for the elites and that fucking sucked.
People legit think that everyone in the Renaissance liked fat bitches because 2 rich painters were chubby chasers.
People think that everyone in Rome wore togas because the ones who didn't wear togas didn't make art and if they did, it didn't get any traction.

Now, we get art that represents every part of society and in 2025, more often than not, working class artists are way fucking better than rich elite artists.

 

[BubbleButt]

I haven't seen the video but if they're talking about the early 2000s Spirits Within film, that film had a lot of issues and it had nothing really tied to the Final Fantasy series.

It also fucking sucks.

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

I have never played Final Fantasy, but one has to assume that RLM was aware that it was at least a game. When they complained that the film version had an uncanny valley problem, it made no sense, because the film was 1:1 the presentation of the game's best graphics, if not greater in resolution/simulation. Were they hoping for live action?

They were talking about Spirits Within.

 

[khaine]

That's the best argument against AI. That was a case of computers being used as tools to create something in the way you want. When you write "Godzilla fighting Spock in an active volcano" you're not involved in the process of creating the video beyond that prompt.

My point is that AI is just a tool, and you can very much make art with it. Using AI in of itself does not mean something isn't art. You can also make slop. Just like CGI you can make great stuff and you can make the amazing bulk.

 

[mlanguishi]

My point is that AI is just a tool, and you can very much make art with it. Using AI in of itself does not mean something isn't art. You can also make slop. Just like CGI you can make great stuff and you can make the amazing bulk.

It's a tool, but.. It lets us say 'let there be light'. It's so much more potential than these rich creators scum are worried about. They didn't care when IT people got lined up and sent to the lines when the jobs went to india, canada, or whatever. They loved it. They want those types to come in take those jobs they can't do.

Fuck. The. Artists. AI's gonna eat them apart and like with IT, only the top level will stay. The rest can live off their boomer parents gibs. You can tell that's all they care about, their own only in this that make paper machete props and crap.

 

[Idiotron]

I haven't seen the video but if they're talking about the early 2000s Spirits Within film, that film had a lot of issues and it had nothing really tied to the Final Fantasy series.

The movie sucks but I will have to strongly disagree with this.

- Post-apocalyptic Earth with only a few cities here and there... just like FF7.
- Weird monsters spawning out of nowhere... just like FF7.
- A road trip to find the magic mcguffins... just like FF7.
- A military leader using a giant laser cannon to shoot the enemy... just like in FF7.
- Going inside the planet core to defeat the enemy.... just like in FF7.
- Earth having a life energy... just like FF7.

The only things missing are magic and summons.

 

[Well Intentioned]

The only things missing are magic and summons.

Those are kinda important things, along with other shit like chocobos or whatever. It felt tonally off from Final Fantasy in general up to that point, even if it had things like walls (just like FF7), antagonists (just like FF7), etc.

Like yeah, there are very surface level things but the general sentiment at the time (and I'd argue even now, for those who are arsed to remember it) is that it didn't 'feel' like FF.