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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
I know everyone loves to suck riches cock, but in this he was insufferable. For starters, Obi-Wan wasn't in 3 movies. We all know modern Star Wars sucks. But that isn't an acceptable reason to accept shit.

Jay is right. Season 1 of Mandalorian is much better than all of everything that isn't the original Star Wars Trilogy.
 
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Fun re;view. Mike and Rich have finally come out the other side of their malaise. They just don't take it seriously at all any more so the memberberries and occasional cheapness now come off as charming to them. Most of the bad aspects can either be handwaved away or shrugged at because it no longer matters, and then we move on.

I really don't know how people can attack them for this. The condition for them saying it was enjoyable is that they have given up on the franchise ever actually being good. If the 2serious4u content creators don't see that as being damning for Disneywars then I don't think we can help them.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
When Patton Oswald and Simon Pegg say how insightful the Plinkett reviews are and they recommend JJ Abrams by name, they are more responsible than HelloGreedo or some other shill channel.
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That's the thing, though, you can say that they recommended JJ Abrams, but it's clear no one involved in Star Wars actually watched the Plinkett reviews because the heavy focus on improving story and characters was completely ignored.
 
I was surprised by their take on Obi1 but it does make some sort of sense considering Jay is the only real SW fan there and he didn’t like it.

The prequel lovers love to shit on them because they see it as some sort of justified “revenge” over the horrible injustice of thinking those are bad movies, despite they fact that the very reason RLM because popular is because the vast majority of SW fans at the time felt the exact same way and agreed with their takes.
 
top gun is literally what Mike wants in a movie. 80s stereotypes and practical effects. But I highly doubt a review of Top Gun since it's popular. At this point RLM just does content either panned as bad, or controversial.
 
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BubbleButt said:
That's the thing, though, you can say that they recommended JJ Abrams, but it's clear no one involved in Star Wars actually watched the Plinkett reviews because the heavy focus on improving story and characters was completely ignored.
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In the Star Trek 09 review, he recommended JJ Abrams based on that movie because it's got exciting, fast paced action and papers over just how nonsensical the plot is, sloppy editing that generates a giant plot hole--like Nero floating around in space for 20 years just to own Spock rather than try to save his home planet--or how the characters completely lack the subtle nuances TOS had. JJ Kirk is a horny, arrogant meathead, Spock is angry, Bones is shoved to the corner, Uhura is a master at Aural communications, and so on. Only one who was good was Chekov because his character trait was to say Russian things to begin with.

So TFA comes around and sure it has the practical effects meme attached to its marketing, which was a criticism of how the prequels had too much CGI, but TFA still had an empty plot that follows ANH beats like a formula, sloppy editing--like why Leia is not working with the New Republic and why she formed the Resistance--and vacuous carbon copies of OT characters: girl Luke, Emo Vader, Tarkin Jr., Poe Leia (he acts like Han, but plot-wise, he's Leia but not as good). Finn could have been good, but that sloppy editing makes his a very inconsistent character. He's sad his friend is dead, but he's perfectly fine gunning down dozens of people just like him to escape. What an asshole.

So based on recommended Star Trek 09, it was definitely foreseeable from Mike's perspective that TFA would have the same kinds of problems.
 
There isn't any amount of caveats Mike and Rich could preface their lukewarm praise for Kenobi with (they called it shit in about 50 different ways) that would be good enough for the hardcore critics of Lucasfilm and Marvel. I generally like Mauler and Gary's blasting of this corporate vomit, but they often take themselves way too seriously with this stuff, and I can totally understand why someone might find some so-bad-its-good entertainment enjoyable. While they will say that it's okay if you like something they don't, they seem to like to attack the RLM guys for not towing their party line. It's not like Rich and Mike drooled all over the show and begged Lucasfilm for "Moar to consoom!" -- they just squeezed some slight enjoyment out of it after multiple dire years of genre entertainment. How dare they?!? The Star Trek franchise's self-immolation was too torturous for their Milwaukee funk-soaked minds to take, so now they're looking for any slight joy they can find out there.

With that said, I haven't watched this show, as the trailers gave me some heavy, crawl-out-of-my-skin cringe vibes, but I find myself agreeing with Jay's take from my uninformed perch.
 
bifftango said:
There isn't any amount of caveats Mike and Rich could preface their lukewarm praise for Kenobi with (they called it shit in about 50 different ways) that would be good enough for the hardcore critics of Lucasfilm and Marvel. I generally like Mauler and Gary's blasting of this corporate vomit, but they often take themselves way too seriously with this stuff, and I can totally understand why someone might find some so-bad-its-good entertainment enjoyable. While they will say that it's okay if you like something they don't, they seem to like to attack the RLM guys for not towing their party line. It's not like Rich and Mike drooled all over the show and begged Lucasfilm for "Moar to consoom!" -- they just squeezed some slight enjoyment out of it after multiple dire years of genre entertainment. How dare they?!? The Star Trek franchise's self-immolation was too torturous for their Milwaukee funk-soaked minds to take, so now they're looking for any slight joy they can find out there.

With that said, I haven't watched this show, as the trailers gave me some heavy, crawl-out-of-my-skin cringe vibes, but I find myself agreeing with Jay's take from my uninformed perch.
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I've soured on that crew more than you have. To my mind, if they hated it that much, they wouldn't keep yapping about it. But it's obvious that this is their bread and butter. In their way, they've become as bad a shill for Disney as any stan account, except their brand is hatewatching.

My brothers in Kali-ma, if you really want to channel your hate, be like Mola, who walked out of The Last Jedi four years ago and hasn't watched a minute of Star Wars since.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
how the characters completely lack the subtle nuances TOS had. JJ Kirk is a horny, arrogant meathead, Spock is angry, Bones is shoved to the corner, Uhura is a master at Aural communications, and so on. Only one who was good was Chekov because his character trait was to say Russian things to begin with.
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What are you talking about? They expressly reference in the video the characters being "supercharged" and overblown caricatures of their original selves.
 
Yosha said:
i dont really care for any of the SW stuff anmore, so idk if Kenobi is shit or good (probably shit). But, i do like seeing the culture ''fighters'' be disappointed in someone else's take. I assume we can expect an efap of this RLM episode soon.

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These "culture fighters" are just grifters and gatekeepers. They haven't changed anything and never will. They don't really want things to change either. At least RLM don't do retarded streams crying about things being changed for "the message" like it's a fucking surprise and get superchats for it.
 
MuhCree said:
top gun is literally what Mike wants in a movie. 80s stereotypes and practical effects. But I highly doubt a review of Top Gun since it's popular. At this point RLM just does content either panned as bad, or controversial.
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I really wanna know how many more post Internet War Criminal has to make before we stop getting these "they only review xyz" posts. They review what they find interesting. When it's a Mike month people complain about how they only watch capeshit, when it's a Jay month they only watch filthy sex pervert films, etc.

Mike probably loved it. You won't get a review because there's probably very little they could add to the discussion. Contrast their Kenobi review- who else gave it a positive review without shilling?
Mola Ram said:
My brothers in Kali-ma, if you really want to channel your hate, be like Mola, who walked out of The Last Jedi four years ago and hasn't watched a minute of Star Wars since.
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I'm the only person in the world who actually loved that film in theatres. Everyone else was seething and dilating because they did and still do care, like morons. It was a fantastic comedy. It's shot like a comedy, written like a comedy, and has the beats of a comedy. I genuinely got my money's worth, where I was annoyed someone else lost money to pay for my ticket for TFA.
Flexo said:
I'll need to see some citation for that because as far as I've seen it was mocked along with everything else.
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Mike's point was that JJ is a good director, and he is. Star Wars went wrong because he was given the writing credit too. Star Trek went wrong because Orsi and Kurtzman were given the writing credit. The Plinkett reviews didn't forget about the shitty parts of the Nu Trek.

JJ with a competent script is perfectly fine.
 
An hour of them calling something mid and cheap. For all that talk of streaming services producing deliberately bloated content they could have probably condensed it into a half hour. Not that I'm really complaining about their long episodes.

You have to feel bad for Rich. He literally states that 15 year old him would never believe he would come to hate his ideal job. I'm sure there's nothing better than imagining constantly new Star Trek and Star Wars properties and you get paid to watch them with your best friend. There's no joy left in either of those things. I'm sure the money helps though. If he didn't end up in this life he'd have blown his back out by now as a carpenter and probably on disability. This is probably the ideal life path, shitty Star Trek/Wars properties and all.
 
Bush King said:
Mike's point was that JJ is a good director, and he is. Star Wars went wrong because he was given the writing credit too. Star Trek went wrong because Orsi and Kurtzman were given the writing credit. The Plinkett reviews didn't forget about the shitty parts of the Nu Trek.

JJ with a competent script is perfectly fine.
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Absolutely. (Though I was referring to them being OK with the exaggerated characters.)

The sequels were produced like a comedy where one bad decision causes a cascade of failures. They should have had an outline and plot plan from the start. They should have aimed for a movie every other year instead annually. They should have gotten actual writers to write it. And so on...
 
The end of the Bad Robot era of hollywood """"""sci fi"""""" can't come soon enough, of that I am sure.
I cast my mind back to when fat nerds on bulletin boards threw shit at Voyager and Enterprise. I knew karma would round everyone up in the end.
 
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Flexo said:
Absolutely. (Though I was referring to them being OK with the exaggerated characters.)

The sequels were produced like a comedy where one bad decision causes a cascade of failures. They should have had an outline and plot plan from the start. They should have aimed for a movie every other year instead annually. They should have gotten actual writers to write it. And so on...
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The "no planning" thing still astounds me. "Hey JJ, Katie babe, we just spent billions on securing rights to the most popular entertainment franchise in the world! How are we gonna handle the tentpole releases?"

And the answer, apparently, was "Just wing that mother."
 
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