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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,073
It's kinda funny hearing them criticize other movies for doing that, like the a scene in Suburban Sasquatch, when they did it themselves in their biggest movie.
At this point I give it 50/50 odds that it was them being cheap vs them making some kind of meta joke. (like the overly long fridge combination)

I still need to watch it all the way through but what I've seen, some of it strikes me as similar to Garth Marengi's Dark Place - the bad production is part of the joke.
 
the bad production is part of the joke
It's interesting that the guys always repeat the mantra: "When you try to make a funny-bad movie, it just doesn't work." They insist that the filmmakers need to have tried their best to make a good movie and failed in order to result in a good "funny-bad" movie.

Now, I've never seen SpaceCop (Is it worth checking out?), but from the clips that they've shown, it seems like they really were trying to make it intentionally bad -- going against their own advice.
 
It's interesting that the guys always repeat the mantra: "When you try to make a funny-bad movie, it just doesn't work." They insist that the filmmakers need to have tried their best to make a good movie and failed in order to result in a good "funny-bad" movie.

Now, I've never seen SpaceCop (Is it worth checking out?), but from the clips that they've shown, it seems like they really were trying to make it intentionally bad -- going against their own advice.
That is mostly true and applies to Asylum slop on SyFy but then you have Torque where the director and a couple of the actors were in on the joke while everyone else thought it was supposed to be a serious Fast and the Furious but with motorcycles. If you want a painfully early 2000s movie that's so bad it's good, watch Torque. Two hot chicks duel with their motorcycles in front of Mountain Dew and Pepsi advertisements while "Push It" by Static-X plays. Absolute cinema. If everyone involved with the movie is trying to make a shitty movie they always try too hard to be funny and it will fail. Space Cop is okay, I laughed a couple of times but it's not great.
 
Now, I've never seen SpaceCop (Is it worth checking out?), but from the clips that they've shown, it seems like they really were trying to make it intentionally bad -- going against their own advice.
It's not worth watching on its own, but the commentary track is interesting.
 
it seems like they really were trying to make it intentionally bad -- going against their own advice.

They essentially crowdfunded the title Space Cop; seemingly leaving the step of making a movie worth making for post-production. On paper, it should have been an eye-opening failure for all the subscribers and patrons who pretend they follow RLM for film criticism and recommendations, and not for the friend simulator experience - Yet here we are, still featuring Beardfat and teasing Patton Oswalt all these years later, with a million parasocial video comments referencing forced memes from a decade ago.

This is why we need Space Cop 2.
 
The smarmy way he said "carceral state" within the first 10 minutes made me yell "oh shut up FAGGOT" at my screen and it scared my dog. But god he's such a faggot. I apologized to my dog though.

Fucking faggot.

I haven't finished watching the video yet, but I have to say this is easily the most disgusting Josh's beard has ever looked, both because of the wiry stragglers jutting from its edges and the fact it's long and forked enough to move and split with his every word. I want to attack him with a weed whacker.
 
I haven't finished watching the video yet, but I have to say this is easily the most disgusting Josh's beard has ever looked, both because of the wiry stragglers jutting from its edges and the fact it's long and forked enough to move and split with his every word. I want to attack him with a weed whacker.
Yeah, everybody else looks like they’ve gracefully accepted their old age in this video. Rich even had on a nice grandpa cap.

Then here Josh comes looking like an alley bum who finagled his way into some indoor work before it gets too cold to beg for change outdoors. Gross.
 
This is the voice of John "Shimmy Slide" De Hart, director of Geteven. I picked the still at complete random, of course.

 
I haven't finished watching the video yet, but I have to say this is easily the most disgusting Josh's beard has ever looked, both because of the wiry stragglers jutting from its edges and the fact it's long and forked enough to move and split with his every word. I want to attack him with a weed whacker.
Please don't. Remember what he looks like without that beard? He has a disgusting goiter worse than George Lucas.
 
It's interesting that the guys always repeat the mantra: "When you try to make a funny-bad movie, it just doesn't work." They insist that the filmmakers need to have tried their best to make a good movie and failed in order to result in a good "funny-bad" movie.

Now, I've never seen SpaceCop (Is it worth checking out?), but from the clips that they've shown, it seems like they really were trying to make it intentionally bad -- going against their own advice.
Pretty sure the intentionally bad claim is RLM coping on making a bad movie. Now, I have no problem with cheap sets and stealing shots, in fact, the problem is when they film on location and use real places. The problem for a casual viewer is that it's not that funny. The movie meanders a lot with a loose plot of chasing Jay down until they find the alien conspiracy and Space Cop being Space Cop, ruthlessly guns them all down.

The only really stand-out performance in it is the police chief because he was directed to channel Cameron Mitchell. Which he does well because all his lines are Cameron Mitchell references "I need a Tums." Rich Evans is like James Doohan where he does his job well and that's true of all the proper actors in this movie. Now, onto Mike's performance, which I've said is the worst part of the movie. To start, he (and Jay too) does the Transatlantic accent, but he also plays Noir cop as goofy, probably because Space Cop is gruff and irritable. The result is Noir Cop is a character that never comes together on screen because Mike sounds like a guy acting opposed to actors acting. What's the difference? Well, good acting is about the actor believing they are the character, bad acting is like bad lying. Mike does the latter and it's because Noir Cop as a character doesn't have internal motivations. Space Cop has internal motivations: Occam's Razor. Which means shooting his giant gun. Noir Cop is Noir Cop because he wears a trench coat, not that he comes from the 1930s. And yes, Noir Cop matters in a buddy cop comedy.
 
Because all the ways in which the RLM guys neglected to tell Mike his ideas were shit during every stage of production have been discussed elsewhere in the thread, I won't rehash it in any great detail.

The short of it is that Mike convinced himself he could save the movie through improvising stupid shit to say until Rich laughed during the take, then cutting out Rich laughing. The result is a movie where anything competent or interesting is either an accident or directly attributable to their friends they had cameo or work on the special effects. Mike's "ironic" acting manages to be the worst thing in a movie he wrote to include himself in most of the scenes.

In comedy writing, a "Nakamura" is a trope to be avoided. It's what happens when, throughout its story, the script contains multiple callbacks to a joke from much earlier in the story - Except, when the joke fails to be funny the first time around, it results in a single joke sinking the entire production. It's a Comedy 101 pitfall, and Mike managed to be the Nakamura of Space Cop. His character is "Fat fuck in a trench coat mugging and interrupting others' exposition to ask what year it is in an era-inappropriate transatlantic accent." The film tellingly has beats of silence where the audience is expected to still be laughing at what Mike just said.

That Mike's role in the script wasn't the first thing cut guaranteed that all the crowdfunding money was going to be burned, purely so Mike wouldn't have to admit that he isn't as good as he thought he was at anything.

The only reason Mike jokes about Space Cop being bad is because it hurts less than admitting it was a vanity project. And If you ever wonder why Mike seems so anhedonic or exhibits severe alcoholic bloat in his extremities in videos from the last eight years or so, it's because he's been living out the post-Space Cop stage of his life, and there's no stage after it.
 
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Now, I've never seen SpaceCop (Is it worth checking out?)

Worth seeking out I think, but I wouldn't pay for it. It's just not that very good really. Plus Patton is in it and it's worth avoiding just for that.

RLM have been pretty harsh to their movie over the years. I think they were ultimately disappointed by it but just wanted to be done with making it.
 
The only reason Mike jokes about Space Cop being bad is because it hurts less than admitting it was a vanity project. And If you ever wonder why Mike seems so anhedonic or exhibits severe alcoholic bloat in his extremities in videos from the last eight years or so, it's because he's been living out the post-Space Cop stage of his life, and there's no stage after it.

Do you really think this is true? None of these guys struck me as the sort of person who gets so married to a particular project that its failure breaks them completely, although I suppose it might not be Space Cop specifically so much as making a movie at all.
 
None of these guys struck me as the sort of person who gets so married to a particular project that its failure breaks them completely, although I suppose it might not be Space Cop specifically so much as making a movie at all.

I think the whole reason Space Cop was a failure they can't shake off is because they weren't married to it; and neglected to take the project as seriously as they should have, given they were spending other peoples' money. "Done is better than perfect" doesn't work in your favor when the initial idea itself wasn't worth realizing.

I'm not saying Space Cop "broke" Mike. I'm saying that its very public failure isn't something I expect a guy who seems to be in the midst of an alcoholic midlife crisis to shake off very easily, given he and Jay basically swore off making movies after delivering a product that caused them embarrassment and likely damaged their brand. They have yet to rebound into either more ambitious projects, or even anything with a higher profile than "the guys who armchair Star Wars have made their own movie; and it SUCKS."

Their channel and their "that's not how *I* would have done it!" style of snarky backseating presented as film criticism could have been a stepping stone to more than doing the same videos ten years later, and I don't get the impression that they had hoped to still be doing the same videos ten years later. Space Cop was an opportunity squandered, along with all that money they were entrusted with. If Mike or Jay ever do anything approaching the same scale of production, either their Patreon whales are retarded enough to waste money the same way twice, or a producer is going to have to be present to tard-wrangle them and show them how it's done.
 
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It wasn't even their first movie though.

That's what's even sadder: Even if all their previous movies hadn't been shitty, they still knew better - yet apparently threw caution to the wind once their fame from pretending they could do better than George Lucas allowed them to secure financing when they didn't even know what they were going to do.

Mike's movies with the oranges are more competent than Space Cop; because logistics forced him and Rich to storyboard everything, figure out how each shot could be executed with in-camera practical effects, build miniature sets rigged to accommodate four arms puppeteering and actuating whichever props were required for the scene's effects, draw every face they knew would be needed for the scene on fruit sourced recently enough prior to scheduled filming that they wouldn't be rotting, and then get the day's portion of shit done and in the can as efficiently as possible. The logistics of the films forced them to be disciplined; because it was the only way the project could have been done. I never want to watch those orange movies again - But damned if they aren't charming; because you can see the effort that went into every shot.

I've watched a decent amount of their previous movies, with and without commentary, and have also checked out whatever supplementary materials documenting production they thought to put out there. The BTS materials for Space Cop is chock full of amateur hour shit giving the impression every step of production was disorganized and haphazardly thrown together to be figured out during shooting, then abandoned until the next sporadic bit of filming weeks or months later.

Feeding Frenzy is mediocre, too - But it at least gives you the sense that people who knew what they were doing were attempting to pay tribute to a particular subgenre of 1980s movies within budgetary constraints and with whichever local actors had nothing better to do. Space Cop is just people throwing shit at the wall until it's covered in shit. Though it's been a while since I watched it, I remember a few funny moments:

1. Space Cop's car launching into space (thanks to Colin).
2. Some beats of Patton Oswalt's cameo ("He is fuckin' standing there").
3. Space Cop killing everyone in the house and throwing the baby in boiling water.
4. The shot of Space Cop blowing up the child that grows up to kill his wife.
5. Len Kabasiznsnski being Rich's stunt double, and Rich throwing the alien dummy headfirst through the wall.

The rest of the jokes are just cringe filler courtesy of Like Like Stoklasa. I wish Rich getting a bunch of '00s Internet popups in his HUD and falling into garbage cans was funnier - But it never lands, and goes on for too long. The gag with Rich flatly framed inputting a sixty digit code to unlock his refrigerator seemed like something the Family Guy writers' room would throw away. Isn't there also a joke where Mike or Rich just farts for a long time while looking at the camera?
 
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