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[sneedem&feedem]

From a few deleted scenes I have seen leaked from a New Hope, it seems like a lot of very meandering pointless exposition scenes that we got to enjoy all the time in the prequel trilogy were in his edit of ANH. They got stripped out. He re-inserted the one of Han and Jabba the Hutt in the docking bay that's in the special edition.

What deleted scenes are you talking about? The scenes with Luke on Tattoine with all his friends? Those scenes were all edited by Marcia Lucas. George's original, original script always followed R2-D2 and C3PO (lowly supporting characters like The Hidden Fortress which Lucas lifted a lot from). It was Matthew Robbins and Hal Barwood who convinced Lucas to write new introductory scenes to Luke which were shot and edited by Marcia Lucas but ultimately ended up on the cutting room floor. The infamous screening with Lucas' friends like Francis Ford Coppola and Steven Spielberg already had those scenes cut.

Another notable thing to note is that Lucas didn't edit any of the Prequels. Why weren't they saved in the edit like the original film? It's already been noted but it bears repeating.

Well, yeah, no shit. But when people say the movie was "saved in the edit", the clear implication is that the editing is the one thing that carries it. Not the cinematography, storytelling, acting, sound design, special effects etc.
It's an attempt to give George Lucas as little credit as possible for the success of Star Wars, from people who are upset about how he dropped the ball later on.

The Prequels disgusted people so badly that they wanted to retroactively diminish George Lucas' work and contributions to the originals. If you think he turned into a shit director and a shit editor, fine. But at least during the original Star Wars, he wasn't. So much so that during the 1978 Oscars, the editors for Star Wars gave a special a mention to George himself adding that he, "himself is a fine editor."

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Three minutes in, and Mike is talking about Star Wars...

 

[Chug Smuckle]

They are real butthurt people called them out on there hypocrisy.

 

[Introvertigo]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=21gl2hgjo7A

Well, that was a much better video than the last one. I mean hey, RLM quickly noticing the RDJ casting as Doctor Doom and not liking it is a good response in my book.

 

[deerbeer]

I didn't mind the review, but Mike is so salty about the Star Wars discourse holy shit.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I didn't mind the review, but Mike is so salty about the Star Wars discourse holy shit.

15 years of being told you're right only to then be told you're acting like a faggot will do that to a person.

 

[TATE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!]

They’re still talking about Star Wars.

Come on now

Mike is the cheerleader in the abusive relationship.

 

[Nick Obre]

While I'm no fan of Scott Kurtz, I really wish he hadn't put a paywall around PvP. That comic goes back to 1998 or so, and there are strips contemporary to all three of the prequels that perfectly demonstrate what people -- Stars Wars fans in particular -- thought of them at the time.

Here's a little tidbit, from Spaced, Season 2, 2001

That's what fans felt at the time.

And to think Pegg decades later would be defending the sequels because he's on Disney's payroll.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

I didn't mind the review, but Mike is so salty about the Star Wars discourse holy shit.

Bets on when Mike does something that puts him on the featured list.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

A character never established in anything except maybe some obscure comic somewhere? Why not Professor X's son Legion who was established in his own show (that I heard good things about but I couldn't get into it)? Or maybe go with Onslaught for comic nerd points? Why create practically a brand new character other than for woke points?

Yeah, it was an odd choice. In the 2000s, Grant Morrison did a big run called New Xmen, where they ditched the colorful costumes and went for black leather gimpshit (@FROG drew a couple issues, they were ugly as sin), inspiring the look of the first movies.

Genosha, an island nation established originally as an Apartheid allegory that eventually became a haven for mutants, was wiped out and 16 million of them were turned to ash. This was a big event in the books' history like Onslaught, or Inferno, or Magneto drowning some military submariners for pointing nukes in his direction. The villain was Nova, a twin to Xavier that he suffocated in the womb but who remained as a disembodied personality to cause the Genoshan Genocide, reprogram Beast as a monster forced to wipe his ass with his doctorate, Wolverine as a 6 year old version of himself that was terrified of everything, and she went around trying to kill mutants on the grounds of the school until they could stick her into a different body and lock it away.

People who never read the comics shouldn't be aware of her, people that stopped reading the comics after a certain point shouldn't be aware of her, but anyone that read that garbage run would know exactly what level of threat she's supposed to represent. I think it was the first major scuffing of Xaviers' reputation, heralding his ignoring of the Danger Room becoming sentient, asking for freedom, and becoming an enemy.

Anyway, movie was pretty good for all its' faults. RLM liked it because it was enjoyable. It wasn't a masterpiece of cinema, it wasn't intellectual or thoughtful, it was pretty dumb in places. But it didn't care and neither did most of the people in the theater.

 

[Mola Ram]

I think it was the first major scuffing of Xaviers' reputation, heralding his ignoring of the Danger Room becoming sentient, asking for freedom, and becoming an enemy.

When was it revealed that he always nursed a creep-o crush on Jean Grey, even when she was a teenager?

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

When was it revealed that he always nursed a creep-o crush on Jean Grey, even when she was a teenager?

This was set up very early in the original run, I'm pretty sure. Like within the first few issues very early.

 

[Mola Ram]

This was a plot point VERY early in the original run, I'm pretty sure. Like within the first few issues very early.

In the 1960s??? I have a hard time believing that. I thought it was something made unnecessarily explicit in more recent times.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

That was so goddamn jarring most peoples' brains automatically block it out as having never happened. The later writers certainly did.

Edit: no, it was early on, and yeah, it was fucked beyond belief because I think she was 14-16 at the time. Essentially, Xavier was a megacreep once, then never again, then later he was written to be a Ends Justifying Means type. During the end of the Krakoa run, he went back in time to murder Moira as a child. He didn't do it, but he intended to. He's incarcerated now, as incarcerated as a telepath can be anyway.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

In the 1960s??? I have a hard time believing that. I thought it was something made unnecessarily explicit in more recent times.

Looked it up, it was issue # 3



It was probably made a bigger deal than it was in more recent times, but it wasn't something *created* in recent times. Although in the little bit of searching I've done it looks like they specifically put Cyclops and Jean together to try and get everyone to forget about this as soon as Stan wasn't writing anymore lol

 

[Mola Ram]

Looked it up, it was issue # 3

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It was probably made a bigger deal than it was in more recent times, but it wasn't something *created* in recent times. Although in the little bit of searching I've done it looks like they specifically put Cyclops and Jean together to try and get everyone to forget about this as soon as Stan wasn't writing anymore lol

Ye gods, it's always been degenerate.

 

[Midwit]

15 years of being told you're right only to then be told you're acting like a faggot will do that to a person.

Their obliviousness to the culture war stuff really blindsided them, though I really think they should have known better than to involve themselves into the shitflinging and instead just make fun of how bad the show is.

In the 1960s???

Reed Richards was a WW2 veteran in 1961 whilst his girfriend was young enough to be called the Invisible Girl, creepy age differences were baked into Marvel's comics from day one.

 

[Mola Ram]

Their obliviousness to the culture war stuff really blindsided them, though I really think they should have known better than to involve themselves into the shitflinging and instead just make fun of how bad the show is.

Their insistence on keeping apart from the various YouTube cliques is a double-edged sword: it lets them focus on the stuff they actually care about, but it also prevents them from navigating the waters when they stick their toe into that world.

The Fandom Menace and other anti-shills are such screeching faggots and grifters that my inclination is to side with RLM; but the stuff the Nerdrotics of the world are upset about (and making money off of, which is why I detest them) really are a problem, and indicative of the cultural rot the entertainment world has embraced, so the concentrated neutrality really makes RLM seem out of touch. Stick to Best of the Worst, guys.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Reed Richards was a WW2 veteran in 1961 whilst his girfriend was young enough to be called the Invisible Girl, creepy age differences were baked into Marvel's comics from day one.

I think people tend to forget that Stan Lee was in his 40's when he wrote these stories, so they were written by a guy who was raised in the 1930's which may give a little insight into it.

 

[Mola Ram]

I think people tend to forget that Stan Lee was in his 40's when he wrote these stories, so they were written by a guy who was raised in the 1930's which may give a little insight into it.

I do like the fact Xavier is concerned about being in a position of power over her; that feels like it ennobles his character a bit.

The fact that he's also concerned about being stuck in a wheelchair and never thinks about the age gap is darkly amusing.