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Satan said:
We have to remember Bob was a very, very old man and likely in frail health already for several years prior to his passing. I certainly believe the conditions in which they lived played a part in how quickly he declined, sure. And it certainly made his suffering worse I give you guys that. But to say Barb and the hoard killed Bob's a bit sensationalist at best and kinda ween at worst.

They stress is bad for the heart. Chris is much if not more a source of drama then his beastly lardass of a mother is. The tomgirl thing, the trolling sagas, and the constant worries about the state of the house and the finances of the household, is what I think did him in. It was all just a bit too much for the old man to handle. I've said it before but to me, Bob has always struck me as the most relatable and likeable of Branchland Court's autistic inhabitants. Chris is a victim of circumstances and Barb's just... fat and useless.
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Apologies, when I was writing the post, I meant it as Barb's hoard played a hand in his death by exacerbating his already poor health. That was just kind of my knee jerk reaction because it's hard for me to not to get so angry at Barb knowing what she has done. I hade written a bit about Bob and how he was more relatable, but I deleted it thinking that I was going off a tangent.

Bob, for all his faults, did seem like he was trying to help Chris in his childhood. Perhaps it was a subconscious desire to compensate for neglecting Chris during his infancy and early childhood. He did try to stick up for Chris, even if his understanding of the events were based on Chris's incomplete/skewed accounts. At the very least, his approach didn't involve trying to run over whoever wronged Chris with his car. Bob even expressed alarm when trolls lead him to believe that his son was trying to commit suicide. Whereas if Chris's accounts are anything to go by, Barb would threaten to kill Chris when he became a tomgirl (Ok, Bob probably didn't like that either, but still). Bob didn't have to stay with Barb and Chris, he could've left them like he did with Patricia, David, and Carol. The fact that he devoted the end of his life to caring for someone as selfish as Chris and living with a woman like Barb speaks volumes about our favorite lumberjack. Bob's delusions I think can be attributed more to his old age as opposed to Barb, who we know has a history of being a terrible person.

Now that Barb is trying to start making Hoard 2.0, I worry about what will happen to Barb and Chris once it gets bad enough. Will the landlord get wind of this and evict them? And if they are evicted, where will they live then?
 
Marvin said:
Oh, also, when I say "violently," I am literally meaning physically violent. Fatty didn't get any bruises, but still, Barb is super nuts, no two ways about it.
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Jesus Marvin, the stuff you drop sometimes really just makes me see how much if a deranged person Barb is. Her son is in his 30s for God's sake. I imagine she loudly yelled at him and shoved him into the bed. Chris really seems to become submissive when Barb yells at him.
 
skyraider91 said:
She has also become increasingly paranoid, almost as suspicious and scared of strangers as Chris is. After moving into the rental house, she had special security lights installed outside, covering the perimeter of the residence. She keeps the house's windows covered with heavy blankets
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You would think the paranoia level at Chez Chandler would have gone down once they moved away from the ween activity, but I guess not, huh. Mental illness, ladies and gentlemen!
Is Barb fighting the "demolish and pay off" idea because the payoff wouldn't buy her a new house, or just out of pure hoarding insanity?

Marvin said:
Oh, also, when I say "violently," I am literally meaning physically violent.
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Jesus Christ! 1% of me is laughing at the idea that Chris could lose a fight to an 80-year-old woman, but the other 99% of me is shuddering.
 
Kosher Dill said:
Jesus Christ! 1% of me is laughing at the idea that Chris could lose a fight to an 80-year-old woman, but the other 99% of me is shuddering.
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Haha, I haven't even thought of it that way yet, he really is a feeble, feeble pussy. So who does he think is the bigger cause of why his life sucks these days, the trolls who pretty much stopped around 3 years ago, or his mom? Please say the latter
 
Kosher Dill said:
Jesus Christ! 1% of me is laughing at the idea that Chris could lose a fight to an 80-year-old woman, but the other 99% of me is shuddering.
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she is not just an 80 year old woman. She is an 80 year old woman with 80 years of bitterness in her blood mixed with broken dreams and fail. Whos greatest accomplishment is bedding bob....:alog:

Basically one evil bitch with old people strength. I would not want to mess with that.:briefs:
 
Kosher Dill said:
The organized trolling stopped, but I'm pretty sure he's still getting ween activity. I mean, the last email we saw from him was to someone pretending to be Megan's brother.
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Ok, well even with that then, lets reword the question...
Who does he think is the bigger cause of why his life sucks these days, a few minor weens who send him non-threatening emails sometimes, or his mom?
 
The Mackers said:
Ok, well even with that then, lets reword the question...
Who does he think is the bigger cause of why his life sucks these days, a few minor weens who send him non-threatening emails sometimes, or his mom?
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Heh, well, Chris lives in fantasy land, so it's the weens. Chris thinks the trolls have security cameras on him 24/7. It's not hard for him to maintain his crazy beliefs, he's stupid and all that's required is a little bit of evidence to support his idea that they're still around.
 
Marvin said:
Heh, well, Chris lives in fantasy land, so it's the weens. Chris thinks the trolls have security cameras on him 24/7. It's not hard for him to maintain his crazy beliefs, he's stupid and all that's required is a little bit of evidence to support his idea that they're still around.
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What can I say... this really disappoints me. Letting himself get physically forced around by an elderly woman and blaming non-existent people for his woes.
 
skyraider91 said:
Good Luck with that. Barb is going to die like Bob did, surrounded by garbage and filth, covered in bug bites. And I know this is super A-Loggy, but she's reaping what she's sown, and I won't feel the least bit sorry when she does die. Barb is the worst sort of malicious white trash, with no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. She has ruined or harmed the life of everyone related and/or close to her.

Chris has done some bad things, and can be very aggravating at times, to be sure. But in the end, I feel more sorry for him than anything else. Because of his mental limitations, he shouldn’t be held fully responsible for what he's done. But Barbara has known exactly what she's done each step of the way, being a selfish, manipulative, trashy bitch. A violent drunk and a whore most of her adult life, she abused Cole, she probably abused Chris, or at least neglected him in the critical period of his development, mentally stunting him for life. She destroyed Bob’s house with her hording, creating a toxic environment ultimately contributing to his death.

Guys, I'm sorry for the rant, and for the hate and :alog:, but no matter how I look at things, Barbara Chandler is the root of all evil in the Chandler household.
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It is always complicated when assessing blame/pity to people like Barb and Chris. As you say about Chris, he has mental limitations and had a shitty upbringing. But Barb seems to have had a pretty shitty upbringing too, and I am sure we would all agree she is a few marbles short.

When you force your 32 year old disabled son to sleep with you, do you get blame because it is abusive, or pity because noone who was in their right mind would do it?

When your compulsive hoarding leads to one house burning down, and then you begin to hoard in a new one, do you get blame because that is a really dumb and selfish thing to do, or pity because it is proof that your compulsion to hoard is so great you can't possibly stop without an intervention that is not coming?

In my opinion, the right way to think about these things is to assign both blame and pity, and to try not to look at them as opposites. If we pity someone, maybe that shouldn't mean we blame them less, and vice versa.

To quote the great Mitch Hedberg.

"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic! Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus! One of those two doesn't sound right"
 
The Mackers said:
What can I say... this really disappoints me. Letting himself get physically forced around by an elderly woman and blaming non-existent people for his woes.
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It doesn't help ether that both Bob and Barb (mainly Barb) helped fuel his paranoia about the game place being troll central.

His mom seems to be the queen of paranoid victim complex, And chris seems to be stuck in a weird Oedipus Stockholm syndrome mindset. Somewhere deep down in his brain he knows his mom is paranoid and a little off, yet he defends her in the cole/wedding video...

Because Chris is still a child in many ways im sure she uses that to her advantage, Kinda like an elephant allows its keeper to tell it what to do in a circus, sure the elephant could crush the man but its so trained and broken that it cant see its own size advantage until pushed to far....

Maybe one day she will push him to far and he like any mammal will snap?

Sorry im falling into really wild guess territory....

For the sake of tradition he will probably shit and do nothing.
 
So, how long will State Farm pay for the rental property until the Chandlers are on their own? Until after 14 BC has been demolished?
 
timtommy said:
It is always complicated when assessing blame/pity to people like Barb and Chris. As you say about Chris, he has mental limitations and had a shitty upbringing. But Barb seems to have had a pretty shitty upbringing too, and I am sure we would all agree she is a few marbles short.

When you force your 32 year old disabled son to sleep with you, do you get blame because it is abusive, or pity because noone who was in their right mind would do it?

When your compulsive hoarding leads to one house burning down, and then you begin to hoard in a new one, do you get blame because that is a really dumb and selfish thing to do, or pity because it is proof that your compulsion to hoard is so great you can't possibly stop without an intervention that is not coming?

In my opinion, the right way to think about these things is to assign both blame and pity, and to try not to look at them as opposites. If we pity someone, maybe that shouldn't mean we blame them less, and vice versa.

To quote the great Mitch Hedberg.
"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic! Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus! One of those two doesn't sound right"
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You're right that blame and pity aren't opposites. But pity isn't required to be a 100% thing. Everyone has problems. But we usually have cutoff points for people, where past it, you're supposed to be an adult and we hold you responsible regardless.

Yeah, Barb has problems, but it won't justify her current behavior. She's should be an adult.

Observers said:
It doesn't help ether that both Bob and Barb (mainly Barb) helped fuel his paranoia about the game place being troll central.
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Hell, not even fueling his paranoia, I don't think the concept of IRL trolls would exist without them. Bob and Barb don't understand the internet, so they had to connect the people pestering them on the phone to some IRL source.

Observers said:
His mom seems to be the queen of paranoid victim complex, And chris seems to be stuck in a weird Oedipus Stockholm syndrome mindset. Somewhere deep down in his brain he knows his mom is paranoid and a little off, yet he defends her in the cole/wedding video...

Because Chris is still a child in many ways im sure she uses that to her advantage, Kinda like an elephant allows its keeper to tell it what to do in a circus, sure the elephant could crush the man but its so trained and broken that it cant see its own size advantage until pushed to far....

Maybe one day she will push him to far and he like any mammal will snap?

Sorry im falling into really wild guess territory....

For the sake of tradition he will probably shit and do nothing.
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Chris could snap, but I can't think of what would cause it. We've seen his tardraging in videos before, but I can't think of something that'll make him sustain it.
 
Marvin said:
...Chris thinks the trolls have security cameras on him 24/7. It's not hard for him to maintain his crazy beliefs, he's stupid and all that's required is a little bit of evidence to support his idea that they're still around.
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Marvin said:
You're right that blame and pity aren't opposites. But pity isn't required to be a 100% thing. Everyone has problems. But we usually have cutoff points for people, where past it, you're supposed to be an adult and we hold you responsible regardless.

Yeah, Barb has problems, but it won't justify her current behavior. She's should be an adult.
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I guess what I am saying is that pity shouldn't prevent people from being held responsible. If my philosophy holds, there are no problems which justify any behaviour. But the flip side is that her bad behaviour can't prevent me from feeling compassion for her problems. Problems get pity, behaviour gets blame.

I know it is probably too absolute, but the philosophy most people have is just as bizarre. A kid grows up shittily and shoplifts a few times, and we say "we can't blame him, we need to pity him". At some point, if his crimes cross a line, we say "ok, that was too far. Now we blame him, no more pity." I would suggest that he deserves both blame and pity all along. I feel the same way about Barb and Chris.
 
Here's something I've been wondering.

Chris seems like a complete pushover for his parents. If they want him to do the chores, he'll do them. If Barb wants him to sleep in her bed, he'll do it. It doesn't mean he'll be happy while doing it, but he'll still do it . The only time he does something against their wishes in when they aren't looking or don't understand, like making videos on the internet.

So what's different about the Tomgirl stuff? Bob and Bard obviously weren't happy about that, with Bob calling him a fag and Barb saying she'd kill him if he didn't cut his hair. However, unlike everything else, he kept it up in front of them. He didn't even make an attempt to do it on the sly, going as far as putting make-up on his for court appearance (iirc). Why was he such a pushover for his parents with everything apart from the Tomgirl stuff?
 
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