EU Pope Francis is dead - GOOD. FUCKING. RIDDANCE.

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Francis became pope in 2013. In recent years, the 88-year-old was forced to cancel some events, sometimes at the last minute, because of his health.

Pope Francis has died at the age of 88, the Vatican has announced.
The pontiff, who was Bishop of Rome and head of the Catholic Church, became pope in 2013 after his predecessor Benedict XVI resigned.
In recent years, his papacy had been marked by several hospital visits and concerns about his health.
On 14 February, the Pope was admitted to hospital for bronchitis treatment.
In the days that followed, the Vatican said he had been diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia and that he had blood transfusions after tests revealed he had low levels of platelets in his blood, which is associated with anaemia.
On 22 February, it said the Pope was in a critical condition after a "prolonged respiratory crisis" that required a high flow of oxygen, and the next day the Vatican said Francis was showing an "initial, mild" kidney failure.
In the following days, thousands of faithful gathered in St Peter's Square to pray for his recovery, as others went to the Rome hospital where he was staying to leave flowers and cards.
He remained in hospital for the rest of the month, with doctors saying that his condition remained "complex".
On 6 March, his voice was heard for the first time since being admitted to hospital in an audio message, in which he thanked well-wishers, before adding: "I am with you from here."
On Sunday, he greeted crowds at the Easter Sunday Service.
His 38-day hospital stay ended on 23 March when he made his first public appearance in five weeks on a balcony at Gemelli where he smiled and gave a thumbs up to the crowds gathered outside.
He returned to the Vatican, making a surprise stop at his favourite basilica on the way home, before beginning two months of prescribed rest and recovery.
Doctors said Francis would have access to supplemental oxygen and 24-hour medical care as needed - adding that while the pneumonia infection had been successfully treated, the pontiff would continue to take oral medication for quite some time to treat the fungal infection in his lungs and continue his respiratory and physical physiotherapy.

'People's Pope'
Born in 1936, Francis was the first pope from South America. His papacy was marked by his championing of those escaping war and hunger, as well as those in poverty, earning him the moniker the "People's Pope".
In 2016, he washed the feet of refugees from different religions at an asylum centre outside Rome in a "gesture of humility and service".
He also made his views known on a wide range of issues, from climate change to wealth inequality and the role of women in the Catholic Church.
His acceptance of the LGBTQ community was unprecedented - beginning with an unexpected remark to reporters on a flight back from Brazil about gay clergy.
He said: "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?"
However, in April 2024 he appeared to reiterate the Vatican's staunch opposition to gender reassignment, surrogacy, abortion and euthanasia, by signing the text "Dignitas Infinita" (Infinite Dignity).
In the same year, his own liberal credentials were questioned after reports he used a homophobic slur behind closed doors.
Pope's health in recent years
As a young man in his native Argentina, Francis had part of one lung removed.
In the last few years of his life, Francis needed a wheelchair or a cane to get around and limited his public speaking while struggling with bronchitis and flu.
Francis first spent time in hospital as pope in 2021 for an operation to remove part of his colon.
In June 2023 he was admitted to hospital for an operation on his intestine. At the time, the Vatican said he had been suffering "recurrent, painful and worsening" symptoms caused by an abdominal hernia.
His recent health issues meant he was forced to miss significant events in the Roman Catholic calendar, including the traditional Good Friday procession at Rome's Colosseum last year.
In 2022, he hinted he might step down if his health deteriorated after he was pictured using a wheelchair due to mobility issues caused by a flare-up of sciatica - a nerve condition that causes leg pain.
His predecessor, the late Benedict XVI, became the first pope to resign in more than 600 years in 2013 instead of serving for life, and died in 2022.
The Pope's original name was Jorge Mario Bergoglio and he previously served as a bishop in Buenos Aires.
An estimated 1.4 billion Catholics across the world will mourn Francis' passing.
 
A lot of people are implying that in saying this as an excuse for him being less than favorable, it's more my justification that despite their fuck ups, I'm not gonna grave dance. Jesus hung out with the dregs of society, and if this man perverted the gospel, well I want to say fuck him, but in my heart I know Jesus said to forgive him 70 times. I'm not the best Catholic, my family was Russian Orthodox Catholic, and as an adult I became a Christian after a stint with drug addiction and homeless. I'm not saying your take is anymore valid or less valid than mine, I'm just speaking my honest truth.
I get you, but even as an agnostic I can't help but look at Francis' carelessness when it came to trying to get certain demographics to repent, make amends, and seek forgiveness and think he was acting the exact opposite of how a good Christian should have been.
 
Based on your post I cannot tell if you're pro fascist death squads or not, so I'll attribute it to thoughtful nuance.

How about you? Are you pro fascist death squads or only the Left fascist variety?

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I'm a amateur historian and a wargamer. I like to do my research. The death squads of El Salvador didn't appear out of thin air. They were copying the FMLN. Sometimes the sheep grow a spine when they're being "liquidated as a class."

I'm not in favor of nuns being raped, killed and buried in shallow graves. I'm not in favor of Marxists masquerading as nuns while doing the same sorts of things either. If two gangs of drug traffickers are struggling for control of a region by terrorizing and slaughtering civilians, which team do you favor?

I'd prefer to stay honest, thanks.

You have to twist his words into 50 seperate pretzels to even come out with something partway acceptable.

That's what it means to be a pope.
 
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Because people aren't perfect and life is messy. If two people are in a sinful relationship but also feel genuine love for one another it would be the kind of situation they need a lot of help to navigate together.
Ok. If that is the point of the blessing then why, as per your original headline was he against it for the chuch as a whole?

If the point of the blessing is to encourage them, then he should have been against it the entire time.

If the point of the blessing is to discourage them, then he should have been for it the entire time.

To me this seems like he just completely flip flops depending on which way the wind is blowning.

Somehow we've turned "Pope tells priests to bless same sex couples."

into

"Pope tells priests to bless same sex couples if it can help them stop being same sex couples." which you could have claimed if he hadn't literally flip flopped on it as per the image YOU linked.

And you know what? Yeah I will agree, if every single headlines is actually the literal the exact direct opposite of what they actually say then francis is a good pope.

Its just that every single headline ever made got it wrong and he never felt the need to correct or clarify that he was actually meaning the direct opposite of what was being reported.
 
Its just that every single headline ever made got it wrong and he never felt the need to correct or clarify that he was actually meaning the direct opposite of what was being reported.
It's amazing how the lying journo scumbags suddenly stop being lying journo scumbags whenever they're reporting on the Pope.
 
This might come as a surprise to you but not all relationships are sexually active, and that is the kind of detail a Priest would consider when applying his discretion to such a situation.
Right, there's a huge difference between condoning an action and meeting a person where they are at in life and any well-formed priest will know that.

And even they are sexually active, they face the struggle of adapting to a lifetime of chastity and celibacy if they want to live in accordance with the teachings of the Church. That is a hard burden even for priests and religious, let alone laypeople, but God knows their intent and will help them adapt to that life even if it's in incremental steps.
 
It's amazing how the lying journo scumbags suddenly stop being lying journo scumbags whenever they're reporting on the Pope.
So how do you explain the fliflop of:

"We shouldn't bless same sex couples!" to "We should bless same sex couples!"

Were the journos lying on one, lying on both, telling the truth on both or what?
 
So how do you explain the fliflop of:

"We shouldn't bless same sex couples!" to "We shouldn't bless same sex couples!"

Were the journos lying on one, lying on both, telling the truth on both or what?
The picture I posted is a rare collection of the headlines that got it right. That's what made them worth compiling into a picture in the first place.
 
It's amazing how the lying journo scumbags suddenly stop being lying journo scumbags whenever they're reporting on the Pope.
Does the Vatican not have a press office from which they can easily correct these "errors" in no uncertain terms?

It's not anybodies fault but Francis's that he chose to be as vague as humanly possible on what he "actually" meant when he directly encouraged priests to bless sin.

At a certain point a rational person should be allowed to take words at their face value and derive implications from them as they would with literally anything else in their lives. The pope should not be speaking in fucking riddles to the faithful.
 
Then why should anyone care for your judgement on who in this thread is acting of Christ?
Because I can spot someone being a faggot at 1,000 yards and all religions should hire me for me skills.
Well that's two endorsements already, I guess I should start making campaign promises.

My first order of business will be to excommunicate Nick Fuentes.
He who walks into a conclave a pope walks out a cardinal.

You’ve just ruined your chances :(
 
Does the Vatican not have a press office from which they can easily correct these "errors" in no uncertain terms?
The Vatican issued a very comprehensive declaration outlining the exact nature of these blessings and they are nothing like what the media said. There are specific rules about how matters related to faith/morals are communicated - a press release would have no binding effect on the faithful but a formal declaration like this does:

 
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