Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anti Snigger]

Unovaborts beyond felted. I like Generation 5 well enough, but I've consistently thought it to be overrated even upon release, and gen 5 fans are very fucking obnoxious on any Pokemon site

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

I blame whoever decided Eviolite was a good item to add to the series.

Yes, they can easily just not add it to a game, but that single item is, imo, likely the reason why they slowed down on giving older Pokémon new evolutions and pivoted to Regional Forms whenever they want to give a Pokemon a new evolution.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Unovaborts beyond felted. I like Generation 5 well enough, but I've consistently thought it to be overrated even upon release, and gen 5 fans are very fucking obnoxious on any Pokemon site

With the state of the franchise today, I hardly think not having their favorite region completely raped beyond recognition can be considered a "felting". Don't worry, the next remaking is coming for Unova so it's only a matter of time

I blame whoever decided Eviolite was a good item to add to the series.

Yes, they can easily just not add it to a game, but that single item is, imo, likely the reason why they slowed down on giving older Pokémon new evolutions and pivoted to Regional Forms whenever they want to give a Pokemon a new evolution.

Eviolite is one of the better decisions Gamefreak made in my opinion. You have no idea how many previously useless pokemon this breathed new life into, I hated how some pokemon were rarely ever seen because they were only a temporary form before their final evolution, might as well be a glorified metapod. With eviolite, at least some of these pokemon have a purpose again, while some(like Chansey or Dusclops) are even better than their final forms in some situations

 

[Anti Snigger]

Eviolite is one of the better decisions Gamefreak made in my opinion

I mean, it causes some fully evolved pokemon to be entirely outclassed. Plus, a lot of mons that got cross gen evos are borderline unbalanced with it. I do like it overall but I think it has some issues

 

[30+GameOvers]

I mean, it causes some fully evolved pokemon to be entirely outclassed. Plus, a lot of mons that got cross gen evos are borderline unbalanced with it. I do like it overall but I think it has some issues

Most final evolutions are still superior, but it does help some edge cases. In many of them, you have to be a hardcore competitive player to even be able to tell if there is a reason to use the pokemon vs just evolving it, and even then it offers probably a slight buff in defenses or speed at the cost of power. Remember, these pokemon are entirely dependent on Eviolite as well so Pokemon with knock off are hard counters to every single one(or ones with thief/trick)
It is very balanced, at least by Pokemon standards. It's not a mindless plug-n-play like Lefotvers, Z-Crystals/Gems or Mega Stones, some planning is required for most Pokemon

 

[Anti Snigger]

Most final evolutions are still superior, but it does help some edge cases. In many of them, you have to be a hardcore competitive player to even be able to tell if there is a reason to use the pokemon vs just evolving it, and even then it offers probably a slight buff in defenses or speed at the cost of power. Remember, these pokemon are entirely dependent on Eviolite as well so Pokemon with knock off are hard counters to every single one(or ones with thief/trick)
It is very balanced, at least by Pokemon standards. It's not a mindless plug-n-play like Lefotvers, Z-Crystals/Gems or Mega Stones, some planning is required for most Pokemon

I'm talking mostly about Scyther if I'm being honest, and I don't think you'd argue with me that it with eviolite is a bit cracked

 

[30+GameOvers]

I'm talking mostly about Scyther if I'm being honest, and I don't think you'd argue with me that it with eviolite is a bit cracked

I never tried it with Eviolite as it has many other options available, but there is indeed some pokemon that are broken with Eviolite. Like I said, they are easily countered so they are definitely not overpowered. Eviolite Chansey or Dusclops will ruin your day if you aren't prepared, however.

 

[Anti Snigger]

I never tried it with Eviolite as it has many other options available, but there is indeed some pokemon that are broken with Eviolite. Like I said, they are easily countered so they are definitely not overpowered. Eviolite Chansey or Dusclops will ruin your day if you aren't prepared, however.

Left is Scyther, right Scizor. Do you see why 1.5x defenses on Scyther is a bit broken?

 

[30+GameOvers]

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Left is Scyther, right Scizor. Do you see why 1.5x defenses on Scyther is a bit broken?

Scyther is weak to fire and 4x weak to rock. Knock off cuts those defenses back to 80 and now it has no items. Just like any Pokemon, it can take you by surprise and sweep your team or it can quickly turn into a 5v6 game within a turn. It's all about how good a player is and how prepared your opponent is to counter you.
Scizor is still better in most situations, as it can equip a variety of items(like Leftovers, Shell Bell, Life Orb, Z-Crystals, even a Mega Stone) and only has one major weakness, Fire, which is not the most common type for many teams unless someone specifically wants to counter your Scizor. Scizor can further equip a fire weakening berry to potentially survive a surprise fireball or a Focus Sash to guarantee it survives with one HP if it is at full health. Scyther cannot do that with rock types, it can only hope it can survive one or two of them and that it won't get Eviolite knocked off.

This is just one case of how much Eviolite can completely change your gameplan. This is why I am an advocate of full dex vs dexit, just think how many more options we would have if we had access to every single pokemon instead of select few Gamefreak allows now.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Even then they never went past a third stage.

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

It was also a major low point for sales in the series, being the worst selling major generation.




Black and White’s deserved poor reception and commercial underperformance is the problem.

BW2/Platinum/Emerald deserved better though, it’s tragic how the best games in the series all sold the worst.

 

[Noxe]

People just hate B/W 1 cuz it forces you to actually try new Mon until post game. I for one don't mind an entirely new dex cuz I'm sick of seeing the same handful of mon be constantly put in every game and everyone just falls back to using old shit instead of trying new mons.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

IDK why some people online are acting like Nintendo will spend this hypothetical year "polishing" and "refining" the games, when we know that's (likely) not the case.

Pokemon has generally pushed for 3 year gen cycles and November 2025 marks three years since Gen 9 started. Unless they want Gen 9 to be 4 years, I'd bet Legends ZA comes out in January 2025 like Legends Arcues and Gen 10 starts that November. Which likely means the games are almost like a November 2024 release... just two months later.

I hope we get more lore on Zygarde's power and I'm curious to see if we'll also get more info on Champion Diantha and Team Flare leader Lysandre. XY were so underdeveloped and Diantha's actually my fave champion aesthetic wise.

I bet the starters will have overt French connections given Kalos's inspiration. Which might mean Torchic (Gallic Rooster), Snivy (literally said that it's inspired by French nobility) and either Piplup (Napolone) or Froakie (frog). I want more native Kalos Pokemon get mega evolutions because how tf are you the gen/region where Megas are native to and only one of your mons can Mega evolve?

 

[Horribadger]

Man, I just realised, we're going to get some dogshit story about the first mega evolution, aren't we? Can't wait for the power of friendship to be retconned to the power of everyone being assholes to each other! I hate the moderngamefreakchrist

 

[30+GameOvers]

Black and White’s deserved poor reception and commercial underperformance is the problem

I disagree. Black/White were terrific games and actually tried to do something different that time around. If they succeeded in that is another story, but I feel this was the last time Pokemon tried to actually evolve as a medium. Ever since people started crying about ice cream cones and lack of Charizards, we have gotten constant stagnation and Kanto pandering. This lead us to the inevitable conclusion that is Sword/Shield, the only reason Scarlet/Violet even went open world is because Legends did so. Current day Gamefreak is creatively bankrupt, so they will milk any good ideas that one of the devs comes up with to the ground, they will make money either way. Playing it safe is the key, since I doubt anyone there even enjoys making these games anyways, that was definitely not the case for Black/White which Masuda considered his Magnum Opus at the time.

Masuda tried something different, put his heart and soul into it, and people shit on him for it. Can you blame the man when all he did afterwards for the rest of his career was play it safe? I believe his last game was Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, which is just a poor man's remake of Yellow aimed at toddlers/people who don't play Pokemon. How embarrassing. I think both fans and devs get exactly what they deserve for paying attention to the negative attention from people who defended every Gamefreak blunder onwards as long as they had access to their Pikachu.
I do agree that third versions definitely deserve better, but you got to consider that there is no market for them outside of hardcore Pokemon fans. They were always doomed to obscurity unless they were marketed better, people who play casually already bought one version and won't pay for a second, let alone third. For example, rather than releasing them a year afterwards, save them as remakes of sorts for the next generation of consoles, launch day: People get to play something new not only on day one, when they get their consoles, but it's a game they are guaranteed to like, with better graphics and new features. Win-Win for everyone and both casuals and veterans get an excuse to play the game again, but both Nintendo and Gamefreak would rather release garbage every year to make more money since it will sell anyways. Fans definitely proved that theory right

@Noxe
It's even more pathetic than that because you can port every single Pokemon from a Gen 4 game onwards to Gen 5, that includes Gen 3 ones if they are ported over to Gen 4. They were angry that there is no wild Kanto pokemon or a Charizard cameo, literal baby-tier temper tantrum that nobody was playing up to their nostalgia. Masuda is not allowed to have any new ideas or try to encourage players to make the new pokemon anything but a suggestion, we NEED the same exact several pokemon in every game until the end of time. I bet that was why he turned the first dungeon in XY into a 1-1 replica of Virdian forest and guaranteed the first Pokemon you see is a kanto bird shitmon, definitely easier to jingle the keys for the retards than to put any sort of effort into any of his products ever again

 

[Kurohige]

BW2/Platinum/Emerald deserved better though, it’s tragic how the best games in the series all sold the worst.

Sucks, but it's not surprising. Remakes/definitive editions, and in the case of BW2, actual sequels, are consistent low sellers.

Consoomers will shell out for ¾ths or half finished games, but wake up and say no when it's actually complete. Usually because they see it and assume, "Oh, it's just going to be the same game." Game Freak tries a little to sell that's not the case, but alas...

 

[Noxe]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Sucks, but it's not surprising. Remakes/definitive editions, and in the case of BW2, actual sequels, are consistent low sellers

It doesn't help in BW2's case specifically that it released in the last year of the DS lifecycle, right before the release of 3DS. The online for that game was the least shortlived of the franchise, except for maybe edge cases like the Japanese only Crystal service you needed a Mobile Phone for

 

[Xerxes IX]

Man, I just realised, we're going to get some dogshit story about the first mega evolution, aren't we? Can't wait for the power of friendship to be retconned to the power of everyone being assholes to each other! I hate the moderngamefreakchrist

They already soft retconned it with the sun/moon Dex entries making many Mega evos body horror or something that makes the Pokémon go on mindless rampages. Maybe the point of that was to say the power of friendship is so strong Pokémon will endure that for their Trainers, but edgy retcons already have their foundations.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

Black & White were the last mainline games I actually remember moments from. Krocoroc being a team staple, playing around with the form change mechanics of Darmanitan, the fucking GOAT that is Ferrothorn, having fun with Archeops / flying gem / acrobatics nukes. I remember the bridges as transitional set pieces very vividly. The weird as fuck ride with N on the Ferris wheel where I was confused as fuck about this obviously antagonist character's motives. Say what you will about his retarded / brainwashed motivations, but I actually enjoyed the interactions with him as a rival since he didn't start as your happy go lucky friend rival.

Only way it could have gone better is if they actually did more to justify his takes like they sort of do in Black & White 2.

 

[Kurohige]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

I never got that complaint, especially when the major complaint of Gen 2 is that you can't encounter most of the Johto mons until post-Johto. DP got flak for being poorly balanced with the types (Fire-types, especially), and Platinum fixed it by adding more other generation Pokémon.

I guess that's where the disappointment for BW comes from—it only having, initially, regionals only. However, you can make a balanced team, for the most part. The only issues I see are the evo levels (what the hell were they thinking with Braviary and Hydreigon?), and circumstantial imbalances. For instance, unless you're good or packed with potions, Elesa is wiping you unless you have a Sandile, that you can catch nearby, thankfully. Most people love Krookodile, but some playthroughs, you just don't want to use it as a core team member, or go out of your way to catch it and immediately box it after the Electric-type gym.