Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[AnotherPleb]

There is something clearly down the road for Nintendo and I am curious about how the almost universal disdain to S/V resonated with the boardroom. Yes sure a large group of customers is children, I would like to know how many because I think it is somewhat less than what people think. They will never reveal it though because rival studios will aim for that demographic.

Gamefreak learned all the wrong lessons from S/V in public, but how long can they continue to push out absolute slop? It's horrifying that S/V makes Sw/Sh look a lot better in comparison.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Gamefreak learned all the wrong lessons from S/V in public, but how long can they continue to push out absolute slop? It's horrifying that S/V makes Sw/Sh look a lot better in comparison.

Modern Pokemon fans are beyond stupid, like park in handicap spaces stupid. They will buy quite literally anything with Pokemon branding, SV is living proof of that.
Even then, the games themselves can bomb all they want, it's the merch that makes the big bucks. The games are just the frosting on top, they're like a story in a porno in a sense that it has to be there but nobody expects anything out of it.
Gamefreak can make these games forever, question is will they have the will to. Remember, Generation 6 was botched and Z had to be cancelled because they refused to work on Pokemon games and made a few other titles in the meantime. Even as late as Gen 7 they worked on Little Town Hero, the most boring, forgettable and generic jrpg imaginable, and you can bet your ass that took off time and budget away from Pokemon games

 

[Bunny Tracks]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/02/pokemon-legends-z-a-is-set-entirely-within-lumiose-city

thoughts on Lumiose being one giant map for legends a la yakuza/like a dragon

Given how much of a letdown the OG Lumiose City was, I don't blame them for wanting to give it another shot. I think there's actually a lot they could do with one city, especially one based on Paris. The Paris Catacombs alone would be great addition and starting point.

If they can pull it off, then good. If not, well, it's not like that's surprising considering how bland the PLA and SV overworlds were.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Megas made many previously unusable pokemon good again and added further element of planning(run a powerful pokemon with an item or give it a mega form with no item)

I've said it before - the problem with Megas is that for every unusable Pokemon that got a Mega, a popular and powerful Pokemon ALSO got a Mega. Nevermind Charizard and Mewtwo both getting 2.

Besides - Mega Rayquaza by itself is probably the single biggest argument against Megas returning. Fuck that guy.

Would love XD Gale of darkness too if nothing else just so I can *Hopefully* Have shadow Lugia in other games.

One of these days, the Gamecube titles will get remasters. They can't be completely forgotten like Pokemon Conquest was, right?

 

[Level99Manchild]

I got back into Pokemon Go, but after getting burned by SV and even Arceus, I'm not jumping into any new Pokemon games coming out. I'm curious to see what this magic season is gonna be like in Pokemon Go, but I'm not expecting much. The Sinnoh events sucked.

There wasn’t almost universal disdain for SV. People complained about the draw distance and glitches but beyond that were ok with it. If anything fans were mad that glitches and draw distance were distracting from the mountains of stuff they liked about the game because it was that bad.

Like I don’t give a fuck about glitches or pop in in Pokemon games, they’ve always been a mess I haven’t cared.

But when the sky quite litterally drops out and becomes a black void above my head even I am going to be distracted by it.

The way old Pokemon games loaded sections or on the screen you usually had to at least put a tiny bit of effort into making your trainer come face to face with hell.

And it was constant. The world just popped away into the void if you did anything.

The entire game was a mess. Every game has glitches, but SV's was honestly inexcusable. I could forgive the game if there was a functional endgame (I played it before the expansion when raids were clusterfucks that permanently froze your game), likable characters (nobody was likable), and mechanics like the sandwich system were actually fun experiences. A working online mode that didn't mandate active friends playing SV would have helped SV too. What also doesn't help SV's case is knowing the aesthetics were honestly awful (how do you make so many ugly and unappealing things?!).

Gamefreak learned all the wrong lessons from S/V in public, but how long can they continue to push out absolute slop? It's horrifying that S/V makes Sw/Sh look a lot better in comparison.

Modern Pokemon fans are beyond stupid, like park in handicap spaces stupid. They will buy quite literally anything with Pokemon branding, SV is living proof of that.
Even then, the games themselves can bomb all they want, it's the merch that makes the big bucks. The games are just the frosting on top, they're like a story in a porno in a sense that it has to be there but nobody expects anything out of it.
Gamefreak can make these games forever, question is will they have the will to. Remember, Generation 6 was botched and Z had to be cancelled because they refused to work on Pokemon games and made a few other titles in the meantime. Even as late as Gen 7 they worked on Little Town Hero, the most boring, forgettable and generic jrpg imaginable, and you can bet your ass that took off time and budget away from Pokemon games

They can still make money off the merchandise and shows (at least with Gens 1-3), but eventually all things come to an end. Not everybody went back to SV after the "fixes" and the expansion, and if they're going to charge $70 for the game, some people will think twice after SV (not a lot though. Let's be honest). They also have to drop the ball big time with Concierge and New Horizon if The Pokemon Company lets Netflix do Netflix/Blackrock things to the shows and their translations (reminder Netflix killed Jojo with the shitty part 6 anime). The Pokemon Company can't afford more screw ups.

Are people really buying merch based off later gen games? I don't think anyone really cares about any Pokemon past gen 3 or 4 because I see more Pikachu and Gen 1 merch than anything else (I did see an overpriced Teddiursa pillow at a con).

 

[Kurohige]

Besides - Mega Rayquaza by itself is probably the single biggest argument against Megas returning. Fuck that guy.

What, you don't like absurd powerhouses who need to be alone in a tier where literally "Anything Goes?"

X/Y was fine. ORAS was apocalyptic. (Ultra)SM was just really annoying.

SV's was honestly inexcusable.

For example, when has a Pokémon game ever had a memory leak that ruined the Elite 4's theme? Let's Go and Sword/Shield persevered. I guess Scarlet and Violet were just made differently.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I'm going to have a big screaming-with-laughter-to-tears should it turn out Zygarde gets upstaged in its own fucking game and no new revelations about it are given. No respect for green snek.

Would've preferred a Johto Legends game before Kalos, but at least Unova has been left alone for now.

 

[Freelance Police]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

 

[AnotherPleb]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

Nintendo didn't want shit leaking about the Switch 2.

 

[zyclonPD]

I'm going to have a big screaming-with-laughter-to-tears should it turn out Zygarde gets upstaged in its own fucking game and no new revelations about it are given. No respect for green snek.

Its already upstaged by Garchomp by doing Dragon/Earth better with a good speed tier.

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

I'm assuming strictly from Legends Arceus being a somewhat decent game. Adding Legends to it tricks the normie into thinking quality will be there because tag they recognize.

 

[I'm Really Feeling It]

Bottom line is, there's too much room for error to end with either a bad looking Mega or a useless one.

Great points, just want to add in to yours that Mega Stones take away the item slot, which gives all the more reason to make the Mega form either "mandatory" or so useless it's never factored.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Great points, just want to add in to yours that Mega Stones take away the item slot, which gives all the more reason to make the Mega form either "mandatory" or so useless it's never factored.

I'd honestly say Venusaur was the closest to making it balanced by having both forms have their use. The mega's much more of a bulky tank where the base form is a Chlorophyll sweeper.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Megas made many previously unusable pokemon good again

Okay, but there's other ways to do that. Gliscor just got Toxic Spikes and it was banned, again. Megas don't make bad Pokemon good. They just essentially give them better stats or a more usable type or ability along with a fresh coat of paint. Regional variants do the same job. Buffing old Pokemon with new moves and expanding move pools also do the same job.

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

Are people really buying merch based off later gen games? I don't think anyone really cares about any Pokemon past gen 3 or 4 because I see more Pikachu and Gen 1 merch than anything else (I did see an overpriced Teddiursa pillow at a con).

Yes. They are. The thing about kids nowadays is that they don't play with toys or merch like they used to. They're more into games and screens and consume media at a mile per second. So yes, majority of kids played through Scarlet and Violet and gave it 0 thought ever again until the DLC came out. But yes, Pokemon is one of the few things kids will still buy.

Pokemon is also one of the few franchises in the world for children that's for the most part, completely untouched by the Woke Mind Virus. So for the parents that do have kids, it's a "safe brand" for now. If Japan ever lets ESG into it's media and it creeps into GF, I promise you Pokemon would virtually die overnight.

That being said, GF's problems are pretty much solely rooted in management. The company's structure is too disjointed and that's why they can't get anything done right. They're essentially 3 companies contracting out work to 6 or 7 companies. It's been that way since Black and White 2. That's why everything they touch nowadays is so disjointed. You have some sects of TPC completely at odds with the other and their Chief Tard Wrangler can't effectively reign them in. That's why S&V is so rushed. The merch dept. wants toys on the shelves and they make the most money. They also don't give a rats anus if the game functions or not, they know you're all stupid enough to buy it anyway. Just stfu and buy your weird Meowscarda body pillows. The Executive Board knows they're essentially shooting themselves in the foot but can't argue with their numbers. So resources and time allocation have to be stretched thin. That being said, there's a reason Pokemon hasn't been replaced.

Pokemon already is the biggest IP on the planet and sure it rode those highs forever ago, but that's why it still exists today. Palworld cannot dethrone Pokemon. It never could. Digimon at the time was a better IP on virtually every way, shape, and form, and it couldn't do it. TemTem tried and failed. Every attempt to dethrone Pokemon has failed and will keep failing because the only ones who can dethrone Pokemon are GF themselves.

 

[AnotherPleb]

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

 

[zyclonPD]

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

They went wild with Applin. They might be breaking that trend.

 

[Kurohige]

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

Reminder that they gave Beedrill a Mega evo and Butterfree a Gigantomax form just to totally clip both their wings in Gen 9.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Its hilarious to me they skipped an entire gen. Seems they wanna forget about it. Or be stupid and claim its so theirs no controversy cuz black and white people

 

[AnotherPleb]

They went wild with Applin. They might be breaking that trend.
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Even then they never went past a third stage.

Its hilarious to me they skipped an entire gen. Seems they wanna forget about it. Or be stupid and claim its so theirs no controversy cuz black and white people

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

 

[Kurohige]

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

Funny, in hindsight, how likely it is that the same cats who eat up the modern Pokéslop dished out by Game Freak had the most to say about Gen 5.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

. Good game.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/02/pokemon-legends-z-a-is-set-entirely-within-lumiose-city

thoughts on Lumiose being one giant map for legends a la yakuza/like a dragon

I mean, if there was any gen to pull it in in was Kalos. Switch now has the space and scope to be as massive as the games were suggesting it was.

@Level99Manchild

Are people really buying merch based off later gen games?

In Japan they are.

In the West if you walk into a game store or a big enough place that sells toys Pokemon stuff usually takes up a shelf or two.

And then there is still the anime marketing all the cute stuff.

It also helps that the things people care about are the mons. No one actually cares about the games. Do the mons look like something I want a plush of? Yes. Good game.

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

i just like the scope that the Legends idea provides in a way the standard games do not.

Honestly I’d much rather they switch completely to that style instead of it being spin off.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-x97iBDaOKQ
Funny, in hindsight, how likely it is that the same cats who eat up the modern Pokéslop dished out by Game Freak had the most to say about Gen 5.

With YT likely.

Pokemon goes through a trend. Old fans bitch about new game. New fans like new game until they become old and remember the games they liked fondly while bitching about the new ones.

It’s why everyone complaining now seems to put Gen 4 or Gen 5 on a pedestal. Because that’s what they played when young.

All the people complaining about the games now are YTubers that hype up shit to no end, buy all the games amd as Palworld showed us, actually have wanted to complain about Pokemon for the longest time. Because the cycle is the cycle and they became old.