Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Is 30 FPS really asking for so much? That is the absolute bare minimum
30 FPS? Oy vey, you know a small indie team like Game Freak can't handle 20 FPS. I can't believe there are insensitive goyim players who'd ask for a whole 15 FPS. The nerve of some people.
 
Not seeing any reason to bother with this one unless the glitches are worth the price of entry. Especially not when romhacks will take everything cool from it in a year and put them into a game that's faster, better looking, lets me play set mode, and doesn't do this stupid open-world shit only to just to balance the game linearly anyway.
I wish I could say it's incredible how little Gamefreak took away from the prior game (arceus), but it's just a series standard at this point, and so is each one selling even better than the last one. I already had no hopes for a quality B/W remake, now I'm just scared to see how they manage to make something even fucking uglier than S/V.
 
I don't understand how people can be so forgiving of how ass these games run on the Switch. Like you're fucking brainwashed.
I get that, but for me the issues lie more what kind of precedent this sets for Game Freak in the coming years. Why is it okay for Pokemon to release yearly, unpolished games akin to FIFA titles? If this were any other Nintendo franchise like Mario then I'm pretty damn sure a whole lot more people would be willing to blast games of the quality that S/V are.
As someone who enjoyed SWSH, I think I can explain.

The average Pokemon fan has never really given a shit about most of the criticism lobbied at the newer games.

The graphics are bad? I grew up with Gen 1. They've looked much worse.

The story is shit? That's nothing new. Gen 5's the only mainline game with a good one.

Rivals are bad? Outside of Gary, Silver, N, and I guess Hau, when haven't they been that?

Dexit happened? Boohoo, who cares? There's like over a thousand Pokemon. This was bound to happen eventually, and I'm not autistically obsessed over this one specific Pokemon that I caught over fifteen years ago to give a shit. Besides, I like using new Pokemon for the new games, anyway.

It's too easy? Bitch, I would've killed for an EXP Share like this when I was a kid because grinding for hours is tedious, boring, and annoying. Also, Pokemon's never been hard. It's just had a fucked-up level curve, broken mechanics, and unbalanced typing for most of its life.

It's too kid-friendly? 1) No shit, it's a fucking children's game, and 2) This isn't even true because the Dex entries get more, and more unsettling with every new gen, among other things.

It relies too heavily on gimmicks? Where have you been? This has been a thing since Gen fucking 3. Technically, Gen fucking 2 if you really think about it.

The new Pokemon are ugly/uninspired? Look me in the eye, and tell me that the Grimer, Geodude, Voltorb lines aren't that, too.

It's poorly programmed, and glitchy af? Gen 1 here again. Lemme tell you about Ghost, and Psychic-types in R/B/Y, as well as the Badge Boost glitch, Missingno, and the absolute clusterfuck that are the Celadon slots machines.

Pandering to Gen 1? Literally the only complaint I 100% agree with. This is dumb, and other Gens need more love. They need to stop whoring it out.

Etc, etc.

I think the issue is that people were exaggerating how bad new Pokemon games were that people stopped taking them seriously, and that a lot of the complaints felt like they were coming from spoiled, man-children who were upset about either trivial things like the series being too kid-friendly, or honestly reasonable things that we all saw coming like the Dexit.

Look, I'll admit that I have a very low standard for Pokemon games. So long as I can catch Pokemon, battle other trainers with them, train them, and trade them, I'm fine. I would like for them to more than that, but they really don't have to be for me to enjoy myself. I don't care if this makes me a braindead consoomer, or whatever. It's the truth.

Having said that, I think the pace of which Pokemon games have been coming out is fucking horrific, and that they are getting more, and more broken as time goes on. I like SWSH, but it does have issues (most notably lag), and the state BDSP were released in is inexcusable, and even more so with S/V.

Furthermore, I fully agree that Game Freak has no excuse. Saying they have more than enough money, power, and other shit to hire other people to work on games, and take a break in the meantime is the biggest understatement ever. For the life of me, I can't think of why they don't do this. If I had to guess, I think something must be happening behind the scenes to actively force them not to, because nothing else makes any sense? Greed? This is bestselling franchise of all time. I doubt it's that.

I would actually really like to know why this is happening, and I think once Game Freak finally does implode, I think we're gonna find out. I don't think S/V's gonna be the one that does them in, though. As buggy as Gen 9 is, it's at least fun, and (mostly) functional.

However, that last part isn't really saying much considering how it's even more broken than the last few games despite being made on the same console by the exact same people. I have a feeling Gen 10 is gonna be the final nail in the coffin because at the rate at which things are going, I can't see it not being that, or at least being something very close to it.

Tl;dr; Pokemon's always been this way, but Game Freak no longer has an excuse for it.
 
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Remember the backwards long jump glitch from Super Mario 64? There's a similar glitch in SV:



Some multiplayer glitches:


This one's my favorite:




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Not a glitch, but here's a way to access an in-game "secret" back-up save:
All you have to do is simultaneously press X + B + UP on either game's title screen and you'll be able to access your game's backup data. Even if you've turned "Off" the game's autosave, this backup will apparently still work.
 
Terastralise pokemon kinda grow on me. Imagine if gamefreak let us customize where/look of tera crystal when it attaches to pokemon.
Imagine Flame cannon Blastoise or Ice fist hitmonchan.
Not going to lie some of the terastral hats design look strange on pokemon.
 
I think the issue is that people were exaggerating how bad new Pokemon games were that people stopped taking them seriously, and that a lot of the complaints felt like they were coming from spoiled, man-children who were upset about either trivial things like the series being too kid-friendly, or honestly reasonable things that we all saw coming like the Dexit.

Look, I'll admit that I have a very low standard for Pokemon games. So long as I can catch Pokemon, battle other trainers with them, train them, and trade them, I'm fine. I would like for them to more than that, but they really don't have to be for me to enjoy myself. I don't care if this makes me a braindead consoomer, or whatever. It's the truth.

Having said that, I think the pace of which Pokemon games have been coming out is fucking horrific, and that they are getting more, and more broken as time goes on. I like SWSH, but it does have issues (most notably lag), and the state BDSP were released in is inexcusable, and even more so with S/V.

Furthermore, I fully agree that Game Freak has no excuse. Saying they have more than enough money, power, and other shit to hire other people to work on games, and take a break in the meantime is the biggest understatement ever. For the life of me, I can't think of why they don't do this. If I had to guess, I think something must be happening behind the scenes to actively force them not to, because nothing else makes any sense? Greed? This is bestselling franchise of all time. I doubt it's that.

I would actually really like to know why this is happening, and I think once Game Freak finally does implode, I think we're gonna find out. I don't think S/V's gonna be the one that does them in, though. As buggy as Gen 9 is, it's at least fun, and (mostly) functional.

However, that last part isn't really saying much considering how it's even more broken than the last few games despite being made on the same console by the exact same people. I have a feeling Gen 10 is gonna be the final nail in the coffin because at the rate at which things are going, I can't see it not being that, or at least being something very close to it.

Tl;dr; Pokemon's always been this way, but Game Freak no longer has an excuse for it.

The fact that the game does function, despite the poor optimization, is why the franchise hasn't had it's TLJ moment yet. The fact that the drama about the franchise hasn't involved IRL politics yet, also plays a factor as to why the franchise hasn't hit rock bottom yet, i.e. what happened with The Last of Us Part II, where the "bigot/homophobe/transphobe/anti-Semite/Islamophobe/Q-Anon/GamerGater/Republican/1/6er/Trump supporter/Canada "Freedom Convoy" terrorist" labels were all used towards people that didn't like the game, and Naughty Dog's toxic work environment, mainly due to Neil Druckmann.

And given how the games seemingly need to have a new generation churned out every 3 or so years, in addition to GF's coding mishaps in the past (i.e. Iwata needing to clean up GF's bloated code when they couldn't fit G/S on a cartridge), crunch time could be a factor, or developer incompetence. It reminds me of Gran Turismo 7, which supposedly had a 5 year development cycle, but the game still was missing features that were in past GT games.
 
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The graphics are bad? I grew up with Gen 1. They've looked much worse.

The story is shit? That's nothing new. Gen 5's the only mainline game with a good one.

Rivals are bad? Outside of Gary, Silver, N, and I guess Hau, when haven't they been that?

Dexit happened? Boohoo, who cares? There's like over a thousand Pokemon. This was bound to happen eventually, and I'm not autistically obsessed over this one specific Pokemon that I caught over fifteen years ago to give a shit. Besides, I like using new Pokemon for the new games, anyway.

It's too easy? Bitch, I would've killed for an EXP Share like this when I was a kid because grinding for hours is tedious, boring, and annoying. Also, Pokemon's never been hard. It's just had a fucked-up level curve, broken mechanics, and unbalanced typing for most of its life.

It's too kid-friendly? 1) No shit, it's a fucking children's game, and 2) This isn't even true because the Dex entries get more, and more unsettling with every new gen, among other things.

It relies too heavily on gimmicks? Where have you been? This has been a thing since Gen fucking 3. Technically, Gen fucking 2 if you really think about it.

The new Pokemon are ugly/uninspired? Look me in the eye, and tell me that the Grimer, Geodude, Voltorb lines aren't that, too.

It's poorly programmed, and glitchy af? Gen 1 here again. Lemme tell you about Ghost, and Psychic-types in R/B/Y, as well as the Badge Boost glitch, Missingno, and the absolute clusterfuck that are the Celadon slots machines.
Exactly! The state of modern Pokemon is inexcusable, don't get me wrong, but let's not act like these issues weren't always present throughout this series' life.

Especially for cases like the rivals where I feel like anyone making that complaint are just looking back at the past games with rose-tinted glasses. Modern rivals are too nice? So May and Barry were on par with Blue/Gary and Silver in terms of asshole-ry? I'd even argue that N wasn't an asshole or anything. He was just a character with an interesting story.
 
For the life of me, I can't think of why they don't do this. If I had to guess, I think something must be happening behind the scenes to actively force them not to, because nothing else makes any sense? Greed? This is bestselling franchise of all time. I doubt it's that.
To me the most logical answer has always been that they need to keep cranking out new games cause the anime and card game and merch is also a continuous machine, meaning they don't want to be in a situation where the new anime and cards are finished but there's no new game. Though that being said I've also seen people argue that the anime isn't actually at a point yet where the new game needed to be out and they could've let the game stay in the oven for a while longer so who knows.
 
So the Ride Miraidon/Koraidon you get, is it’s nature and stats fixed when you first get it/use it in battle?
Miraidon ended up being Timid for me while the one I caught was Modest. I would just stick with the captured one though. You can't ride that first Miraidon/Koraidon and have it in your battle party at the same time.

So, I've completed my first actual targeted shiny hunt of the game.
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I get that, but for me the issues lie more what kind of precedent this sets for Game Freak in the coming years. Why is it okay for Pokemon to release yearly, unpolished games akin to FIFA titles? If this were any other Nintendo franchise like Mario then I'm pretty damn sure a whole lot more people would be willing to blast games of the quality that S/V are.
Sure but if it were Mario or Zelda it would have a longer window between titles and allow them to iron out the issues, or be Zelda and keep having to be pushed back to the point it is now a meme.

But here’s the magical thing, it’s never been ok. Pokemon fans have always complained. People in recent years have been acting like this is all new.

Oh no no no

Dexit? Has happened multiple times before the most recent time.
Game breaking bugs? Ever present.
Rushed incomplete nature? All of them. It’s what Third Games every gen were designed for. That and cash. And people always took issue with paying full price again for what was clearly fixes and DLC.
Bad story, bad rivals, bad mons. The community is old hat at complaining about that.

And like Fifa et al most people playing games don’t give a shit. Because it doesn’t ruin the core reason why they play the games.
 
>beat water gym
>game crashes right after
>it doesn't autosave
>have to beat gym again
>can't turn battle animations off
>can't turn battle animations off
 
Sure is starting to feel like a Sonic thread in here.
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It’s less that people don’t care. Although most players don’t care. It’s more that we are annoyed with new people coming in and complaining about issues as if they are new and will ruin everything forever when the series has been plagued with issues from day one and they never gave a shit before.
 
Sure is starting to feel like a Sonic thread in here.
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I see your post and raise you this quote from the sonic thread:
I find it kind of weird how people are sayin "Sonic fans only like this game because the series has been shit for 10 years" when sonic fans are literally some of the most demanding fans I know, Sonic lost world, which is an alright games imo, was talked about by fans like it was complete shit, and pretty much every fan I know hates forces
 
I finished up just about everything there is to do in Violet except the 32 hidden stakes and the Dex. Once you're done, you're super fuckin done. There's really nothing to do except raids and online shit lol.
Reminder that Gen 5 literally gave you half the map as a post game.

But everyone hated that one.
 
Obviously a left-over dev function, but a damn useful one, I hope they don't strip it out.
 
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