Pokémon goof thread - “Game Freak is really bad at world building"

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ICameToplaY said:
Why isn't Lugia a water-type Pokemon?
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In a video series that came out during a series of Legendarty events, Gamefreak talks about various legendary Pokemon. In the one for Ho-oh and Lugia, they said that when it came to designing it, they has three types in mind for Lugia. Water, Psychic, and Flying, and they had to narrow it down to two. I believe they picked Psychic and Flying because Psychic was really powerful in Gen I, and Flying because it obviously could fly. Also it had the bonus of making it so that neither Ho-oh nor Lugia had type advantages over eachother.
 
GeneralFriendliness said:
That reminds me of something that bothers me even more than the usual egg shit. Kangaskhans being born not just as full adults but with even babies already in their pouches. Are these things just born pregnant/bearing live young that never grows up or does a wild kangaskhan just randomly burst in out of nowhere no matter where you are as your Kangaskhan egg is hatching just to take it and put it in its pouch? Also seeing the "mature" baby in the mega evo trailer for Kanga just makes me feel more disappointed that we couldn't have that as a legit second stage evolution for Kangaskhan instead.
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There are theories floating around that Cubone is a young Kangaskhan, and the skull is a Kangaskhan skull. Then Marowak is an evolutionary diversion with Kangaskhan being the alternative.

Your mom dies? Put on her skull as a hat and evolve into a whole new species.
 
worth a mention that "Dark" tends to, in the games, be less evil and more "underhanded and dickish" you have Thief(steals equipped items) Pursuit (Hitting a pokemon thats retreating) Feint attack (never misses) and most of the others tend to make the targets flinch or lower various stats.
 
just another PMD-E member said:
There are theories floating around that Cubone is a young Kangaskhan, and the skull is a Kangaskhan skull. Then Marowak is an evolutionary diversion with Kangaskhan being the alternative.

Your mom dies? Put on her skull as a hat and evolve into a whole new species.
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I remember that old theory, and it makes a lot of sense, especially since both Cubone and Kangaskhan can usually be found in the same areas. Still wish I could've trained a baby kangaskhan though.
 
DanteAlighieri said:
Is it? Never checked it out.


Where do I start?
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Megami Tensei is the first game that started it all based of a sci fi novel series. The game is bare bones, light story but the gameplay was quite deep at the time.
MTII, SMT I, II and if are retro titles that use the now disused version of the battle system.
Nocturne (third game in the main series) is the fan favorite and introduces the battle system it still uses today.
IV is streamlined, any monster you fuse, you can now choose what skills you want instead of relying on RNG.
Raidou Kuzunoha is how I would describe as a real time Pokemon.
The Devil Survivor series are the SRPG spinoffs.
Persona is the series you probably heard the most of and isn't quite the monster catching game like the main series.

Keep in mind the one thing that separates this series with Pokemon is that trading is not a thing. Funnily enough, Atlus attempted another spinoff that acted like a Pokemon clone aimed towards children called Demikids.
 
John Titor said:
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@DanteAlighieri There is also the Strange Journey remake for the 3DS that I think is a good introduction to the series. It's a first-person dungeon crawler so it resembles the original games in style, but without semi-obscure Japanese RPG mechanics. You can get the original on the DS, but, besides the new art style, the 3DS version is very well done.
 
Some Manajerk said:
worth a mention that "Dark" tends to, in the games, be less evil and more "underhanded and dickish" you have Thief(steals equipped items) Pursuit (Hitting a pokemon thats retreating) Feint attack (never misses) and most of the others tend to make the targets flinch or lower various stats.
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If anything Dark/Evil type should be called the Pragmatic type. Almost none of the moves utilize actual "darkness" (a couple outliers like Dark Pulse notwithstanding) and by definition no Pokemon are out and out evil in the main games either. This is exemplified with their interactions with other types.

Fighting is SE against them because that type is seen as heroic and just that abides by a code of honor, so they trounce the sneaky cheating schemes Dark types try to pull. On the flip side they smack Ghost types because while they also are known to be pranksters, Dark types live and breath underhanded tactics so a Ghost's little games are child's play to them. This also explains why Dark types became immune to Prankster-boosted moves in gen VII, you can't trick a master trickster.
 
What was with the edgy Mega Evolution lore they added in Gen 7? It was so jarring that in XY Mega Evolution was all about the power of FRIENDSHIP, only for Sun and Moon to...add things like this. (tl;dr many of them say the mega evolved pokemon are in horrific pain or want to go on a murderous rampage)

I hoped Game Freak would expand on that in the new games, because it's interesting, but after hearing that older gen pokemon aren't transferrable I doubt they will. Seems like this'll be another worldbuilding thing that just gets dropped. In fact they probably already forgot about it since LGPE made the pokedex entries for the same mega evolved pokemon lighter (though it might be because of the different demographic for the game).
 
Xerxes IX said:
What was with the edgy Mega Evolution lore they added in Gen 7? It was so jarring that in XY Mega Evolution was all about the power of FRIENDSHIP, only for Sun and Moon to...add things like this. (tl;dr many of them say the mega evolved pokemon are in horrific pain or want to go on a murderous rampage)

I hoped Game Freak would expand on that in the new games, because it's interesting, but after hearing that older gen pokemon aren't transferrable I doubt they will. Seems like this'll be another worldbuilding thing that just gets dropped. In fact they probably already forgot about it since LGPE made the pokedex entries for the same mega evolved pokemon lighter (though it might be because of the different demographic for the game).
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They probably only came up with that shit as a cheap explanation as to why mega evos aren't used anymore so they have a few less models to import/make. I personally never liked the whole mega evo concept but it feels horribly lazy to just drop it and never expand on it again after gen 6 which just exposes it as the obvious gimmick that it was and GF's laziness. I mean, if they don't want to do mega evos again, they could at least just take a few of the best looking ones and turn them into legit evolved forms or alternate forms via some held items.
 
GeneralFriendliness said:
They probably only came up with that shit as a cheap explanation as to why mega evos aren't used anymore so they have a few less models to import/make. I personally never liked the whole mega evo concept but it feels horribly lazy to just drop it and never expand on it again after gen 6 which just exposes it as the obvious gimmick that it was and GF's laziness. I mean, if they don't want to do mega evos again, they could at least just take a few of the best looking ones and turn them into legit evolved forms or alternate forms via some held items.
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The evolved forms tactic would be disastrous for one simple reason: Eviolite, a held item that boosts both defenses of the user by 50%.

Imagine that shit on the likes of Scizor or Tyranitar.

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It just donned on me that Houndoom has those big ol' ram horns yet it can't use any bashing moves except giga impact.
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UntimelyDhelmise said:
The evolved forms tactic would be disastrous for one simple reason: Eviolite, a held item that boosts both defenses of the user by 50%.

Imagine that shit on the likes of Scizor or Tyranitar.

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Well that's a shame. Although I'm not too fond of the designs of the majority of mega evos (especially not Tyranitar's) which is why I would only prefer a few as legit evos, and the only ones that look like valid evos for me personally are mega audino, absol, lopunny, glalie, medicham and banette. Sableye looks nice but I think it could do better. There's also that weird looking rock princess with a rock for a crotch that honestly looks way better in her mega form so that one would be nice as an alt form like some legendaries have.
 
Xerxes IX said:
What was with the edgy Mega Evolution lore they added in Gen 7? It was so jarring that in XY Mega Evolution was all about the power of FRIENDSHIP, only for Sun and Moon to...add things like this. (tl;dr many of them say the mega evolved pokemon are in horrific pain or want to go on a murderous rampage)

I hoped Game Freak would expand on that in the new games, because it's interesting, but after hearing that older gen pokemon aren't transferrable I doubt they will. Seems like this'll be another worldbuilding thing that just gets dropped. In fact they probably already forgot about it since LGPE made the pokedex entries for the same mega evolved pokemon lighter (though it might be because of the different demographic for the game).
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It's a part of GF's game design that I hate. Dumping all your ideas into an accretion disk won't make the best ones float up while the worst are weeded out if you don't develop any of them. Megas made competitive battling pretty interesting because of the tradeoffs and the "only of per battle" thing. Z-Moves were fucking dumb. Now it looks like the giant Pokemon thing will just be another type of Mega Evolution. Fucking pathetic. Think of all the other concepts that went completely unexplored in pursuit of another big log of shit to throw at the wall.

I really wish we would get just one more game like Colosseum (XD doesn't count because it was absolute shit). The evil team isn't motivated by lofty philosophical ideals, they're just stealing all the fucking animals. The main character is a badass ex-crime lord. The region is unique and errs on the side of more realistic without being grimdark. The story, too, is unique. The writing is great. There's not a gym in sight.
With some tweaking to cut down on the frequency/monotony of battles, and a more open world, that would be my ideal template for a Switch Pokemon game. You'd think with 20 years of game design they'd evolve (lel) beyond "beat the 8 gyms and then the league, also here are some forgettable villains who want to destroy the world because reasons".

Even the dex is the same between regions. The beginning of the dex is always fire, water, grass starter lines, Pidgey clone, Rattata clone, Pikachu clone, Caterpie and Weedle clones, Spearow clone, Magikarp clone. Ffs I know that the fire/water/grass thing is there for marketability so we'll probably never see something like a dark/psychic/fighting or ground/electric/water trio. But at least throw in some variety with the others... it's not like the kiddie's heads will explode if they see something other than a normal, bug, grass, or flying type in the first 2 hours of gameplay.

But nah, we gotta keep playing the hits. Here's Freebird again.
 
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Dunsparce said:
In a video series that came out during a series of Legendarty events, Gamefreak talks about various legendary Pokemon. In the one for Ho-oh and Lugia, they said that when it came to designing it, they has three types in mind for Lugia. Water, Psychic, and Flying, and they had to narrow it down to two. I believe they picked Psychic and Flying because Psychic was really powerful in Gen I, and Flying because it obviously could fly. Also it had the bonus of making it so that neither Ho-oh nor Lugia had type advantages over eachother.
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Xerxes IX said:
What was with the edgy Mega Evolution lore they added in Gen 7? It was so jarring that in XY Mega Evolution was all about the power of FRIENDSHIP, only for Sun and Moon to...add things like this. (tl;dr many of them say the mega evolved pokemon are in horrific pain or want to go on a murderous rampage)
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This was really cool to see, though.
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As someone who's never liked Mega Evolution thanks to how they botched its introduction with Genesect and the Legend Awakened (which honestly never made sense for Mewtwo to get a Mega Evolution and not Mew if it's something natural in the Pokémon world even if it's because of AZ setting off the ultimate weapon, but whatever), I'm okay with this. But it really should've been expanded on more in the game instead of Game Freak just brushing it aside.

Also Digimon did it better.
 
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