Patreon Donation Charge Salt - Patreon Changes TOS; Lolcows Apoplectic

[Mungo]

Isn't this almost exactly/exactly how PayPal handles donation money? If so, joke's on the Patreon users for not going the route that lets them declare their income as a gift on their tax forms.

 

[linchan]

Oh wow, I remember when Ross from Game Dungeon was adamemt about using his own donation box because he didn't trust in patreon. I didn't think much of it then, but man I think he had a better point than I expected.

 

[Mungo]

Oh wow, I remember when Ross from Game Dungeon was adamemt about using his own donation box because he didn't trust in patreon. I didn't think much of it then, but man I think he had a better point than I expected.

He's where I heard about the whole Patreon/PayPal thing. He's always at least one step ahead of most other content creators when it comes to almost anything, and I'm not really surprised that he turned out to be right on this issue too.

 

[Ghostse]

There's a very simple way they could do this, and it wouldn't require them to change the way they charge users.

They could start enforcing their own rules and terminating accounts that don't deliver content in exchange for the donations.

Like Spoony, for example - motherfucker NEVER delivered a single reward for any of his Patreons, and hasn't produced ANY content in 1 YEAR - but he's still allowed to keep his $590+ Paymetons because he's a bullshit virtue-signalling faggot on Twitter.

I'm sure they could end almost every scammy and scummy Patreon scheme if they just started culling out these pests. The way they're doing it, these fuckers will cry and bitch and moan until they rollback the changes, like Twitter did when they changed the way blocking worked.

This hits closer to the real reasons they are cutting off hipster welfare, especially the donation circlejerk: the number of screeching leeches. People bitching about this or that takes up customer service time. Imagine how many people would need to go through every month and verify content promised is actually being produced.

Anti-creator?

This literally allowed creators to be pulling in 20-30 cents a dollar more than they were before! It’s pro-creator.

Someone doing a standard $5-10 donation won’t notice the extra couple cents. Anyone who can afford to pay the $50-100 tiers a month also won’t notice or care about the extra cents.

The ONLY people who care are re people who are circle jerking payments to boost themselves and the people who’s content is so shit that people don’t want to be. Bothered.

My guess is that the people seeing lots of donators leaving are a part of the circle jerk clubs. If you really want to donate to someone, a handful of nickels isn’t going to be that much of a deal. And if you are so stripped for cash that 30 cents ruins you... don’t be donating. Simple as that.

There's something else that none of these screeching entitled trannies think about:
If you are producing content, and you've got a real, actual big-boy budget, this change makes your life SO much easier. No worrying about transaction fees, or troll charges: you know how much you're going to make this month and can budget appropriately. This is vital to someone who actually wants to produce things.

Someone who just wants a few bucks for social eating on Twitch for some lootcrates doesn't give a shit about that. Parents pay the rent, pay the car payment and insurance, and your part-time barista bucks are for drinking local craft brews at the local dive bar (ahahaha, I'm kidding, more like buying a craft brew to be cool, sipping just the neck, and then actually downing basic-bitch vodka tonics the whole night); who needs a budget? YOLO!

 

[Holdek]

Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers. I get that it’s satisfying for us to see it cause salt, hurt hipster bums etc, but from a financial standpoint it hurts instead of helps Patreon as a company.

 

[Done]

Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers.

Because they don't want incest donations in the 1st place lol.

Keep in mind that there are tax and money laundering implications when it comes to that subset of donations.

 

[Kled]

The changes don't really matter, but you should always have a second plan. Patreon and youtube could collapse suddently on a random day. You should -never- rely on someone else's for your life plans, be it in internet or a full time job at the bank, always be wary.
It's like when youtubers moved to espensive LA apartments and then went full on broke when ads paid 40% less
People like RLM still have experience as video editors, and can still find job in the entertainment industry, while people like h3h3 or boogie rely completely on platforms.

WOAH BUDDY LEMME STOP YOU RIGHT HERE!!

You know millenials and retards don't have any forethought! Forethought is how Nazi's came to power!

 

[Ghostse]

Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers.

Because they're going to kill the incest donations/internal digital wallet.

tl;dr is they aren't a digital wallet company, they are a company that provides a platform to handle repeat digital transactions.

They raised $400M in financing. Their investors want to see them focus their primary business. A single-focus business is easier to sell.

Edit:

Because they don't want incest donations in the 1st place lol.

Keep in mind that there are tax and money laundering implications when it comes to that subset of donations.

Didn't even think about the tax issues. That's another reason.

 

[linchan]

Does this actually hurt the patreons that I actually care about? Or will it focus damage on the exceptional beings

 

[Ghostse]

Does this actually hurt the patreons that I actually care about? Or will it focus damage on the exceptional beings

The correct answer is you shouldn't care about anyone with a Patreon, Patreots are all exceptional beings.

 

[4Macie]

Does this actually hurt the patreons that I actually care about? Or will it focus damage on the exceptional beings

People who actually create content and have actual supporters and fans probably won’t notice much. They might lose a handful of individual donations but overall this will be offset by the increase in profits they’ll be seeing.

What this really hurts are the circle jerks and people who get lots of $1 donations to get past paywalls.

 

[Water-T]

Does this actually hurt the patreons that I actually care about? Or will it focus damage on the exceptional beings

People who produce actual content worth caring about should be OK. They mostly get donations of $5 and up from die-hard, long time fans, who won't mind shelling out a little more a month to make sure that their favorite musician/artist/whatever continues to provide quality content.

The rat kings and professional victims, though? They're already getting fucked. Most of the donations they get are the $1 minimum, since it's more about them donating to each other in order to artificially inflate their numbers and stroke their egos. Since this change means that they will eat the processing fees instead of Patreon, rat kings that send out a bunch of $1 donations will end up paying a lot more in the long run. Even troons aren't willing to pony up an extra .38 just to throw money at people who expect to get paid merely for existing.

 

[DrunkJoe]

Oh no the dollar I donate to the military arms channel is going up to a 1.30. The humanity! I wish there was a proper sarcasm filter to express my fake outrage over this. Anything that makes the sjw virtue signalers loose sleep and money is a good thing in my book

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

so basically this is what's going on, right?

 

[Cuntster]

Just did a Twitter search for Patreon and the salt from these begging dipshits is glorious. Looks like anyone who actually produces quality content doesn’t give a fuck about the new charges, it’s the snowflake troons and feminist bleaters who are freaking out. Beautiful.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Just did a Twitter search for Patreon and the salt from these begging dipshits is glorious. Looks like anyone who actually produces quality content doesn’t give a fuck about the new charges, it’s the snowflake troons and feminist bleaters who are freaking out. Beautiful.

In other words, can we call this "The Patreeeeeeeeeon Saga"?

 

[Jaimas]

Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers. I get that it’s satisfying for us to see it cause salt, hurt hipster bums etc, but from a financial standpoint it hurts instead of helps Patreon as a company.

Now, I haven't been able to confirm this myself just yet, but scuttlebutt on the *chans seems to be that incest donations were also being used in a variety of money laundering schemes, ones going well beyond the purview of the Rat Kings and Lolcows shitting their pants (and doing nothing) over this relatively minor change to Patreon's policies.

No idea if it's true or not but if this is the case it might help explain a few things about it.

 

[Keystone]

Now, I haven't been able to confirm this myself just yet, but scuttlebutt on the *chans seems to be that incest donations were also being used in a variety of money laundering schemes, ones going well beyond the purview of the Rat Kings and Lolcows shitting their pants (and doing nothing) over this relatively minor change to Patreon's policies.

No idea if it's true or not but if this is the case it might help explain a few things about it.

It's always a nice bonus when changes that fuck over lolcows and the Rat Kings are genuinely beneficial to pretty much everyone else.

Cows, Rat Kings, and other assorted idiots with no forethought very likely won't learn the lesson here that trying to have a sole income to live off of that's wholly dependent on the internet is the worst idea, but that's just fine for us -- more laughs that way.

 

[repentance]

Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers. I get that it’s satisfying for us to see it cause salt, hurt hipster bums etc, but from a financial standpoint it hurts instead of helps Patreon as a company.

Cross posting from another thread.

I followed a RT from Jake Alleys Twitter to this blog post which includes statements by Patreon itself about it's own vision for the platform. They basically want highly successful creators, not a lot of people earning small or moderate amounts through the site.

It's an interesting read and makes obvious why they don't care if the new fee structure makes a lot of people leave the platform. They want to attract people who are already somewhat successful and have them become moreso.

https://brianbalfour.com/essays/patreon-onboarding-growth

 

[Ghostse]

Anyone who has a budget is better off, anyone who just wants hipster welfare for vidya/anime/horsepiss & general tranny accessories/totes edgy #resistance anti-trump swag is going full reeee because the $1 virtual signalling donations are going away.