Patreon Donation Charge Salt - Patreon Changes TOS; Lolcows Apoplectic

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GaryGrey said:
I am still surprised that Stripe (company that processes online credit card transaction) has not come down harder on Patreon for funding porn and no value added schemes.
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At this point, I think they're willfully ignoring the porn patreons because of how much money they rake in.
 
I read the Patreon announcement again and their excuse was that they want to charge customers at exact times they should be charged, and not on the 1st of every month, to prevent double charging, dropping pledges and so on, so they have to do shitton transactions more.

I don't know if it's possible legally right now, but wouldn't it be solved if Patreon implemented a Patreon Wallet for every patron, let patrons top it up (with automatic top-ups if desired) and distribute that? It would be a bit harder to hide fees in it as compared to the current solution, but maybe it would prevent most of the shitstorm while keeping everyone happy?

Granted, that would only help the problem with inaccurate patron charging and not with the shitty creator culture, but hey, I thought it up in a minute while fighting with a toothache, I'm sure those gluten-free West-Coast Millennial entrepreneurs should figure this out as well.

EDIT: Or maybe I'm too :optimistic:, it might actually be Patreon's plan to kick out the low-effort artists without giving a fuck about either them or their fans: https://np.reddit.com/r/patreon/comments/7icp6b/why_patreon_doesnt_care_about_your_1_dollar/
 
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Jaimas said:
I'll surmise it, because I only learned of it about 2 years ago myself, when Randi Harper brought it up...Individually, these donations are small, but in bulk they seriously add up.
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If they use a credit/debit card (how can they not?) to fund those transactions on the platform, each sent transaction has a fee attached to it to run the purchase on the network of the card issuer backing the account that is drawing funds from it. Before this was the site's processor linked account that was paying after the music stopped on the monthly billing dates and the remaining dollars were sent around to the players still left in the game. Now, Patreon's getting that paid per transaction fee when the pledge is sent to prevent the schemes you described being employed to a level that they could potentially lose money on if widespread enough around the platform. A single dollar passed around the platform a mere four times a billing period begins to eat into the site's fee for service after all under their old methods of distribution. First they went after the smut peddlers of adult content for a stated goal of platform 'security', now, they made sure total appeasement of their Stripe master's bottom line will be assured. Next, they'll start outright seizing funds from accounts to entrench their own bottom line in the accounting department of the organization wherever possible under auspices of TOS violations. This is exactly what happened at Paypal itself as it became established in the general population and these suckers weren't around then to know the script because they're so self absorbed it doesn't exist in their world until it happens to them personally even if you tell them to their face what's on its way. It's why Patreon is a platform for pure lolcows to me, from management to user base, all the way down, just lolcows stacked on top of each other. Seasoned with salt from their own ree's to taste.
 
DieselBoogaloo said:
I don't know if it's possible legally right now, but wouldn't it be solved if Patreon implemented a Patreon Wallet for every patron, let patrons top it up (with automatic top-ups if desired) and distribute that? It would be a bit harder to hide fees in it as compared to the current solution, but maybe it would prevent most of the shitstorm while keeping everyone happy?
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actually, if patreon was smart, it would just charge individual supporters instead of going creator-by-creator and charging each sponsor individually

i.e. instead of: each creator -> each supporter -> each transaction
go: each supporter -> get sum of all donations -> single transaction -> dispense funds

that way if you have 100 $1 donations you are charged (n * 1.029) + 0.35 instead of the current (n * 1.029) + (n * 0.35). This would save that person $35 a month. That's probably why people are losing donors; the ones who have many, many individual single-dollar donations are canceling the ones they care about the least.

PUT ME IN THE GAME COACH I AM A BUSINESS FUCKING PROFESSIONAL
 
TIL I could have been spending the past few years making, then canceling donations on Patreon with the reason, "Trannies are gross and mentally ill. Free IWC."

I've been wasting my life.
 
Null said:
actually, if patreon was smart, it would just charge individual supporters instead of going creator-by-creator and charging each sponsor individually

i.e. instead of: each creator -> each supporter -> each transaction
go: each supporter -> get sum of all donations -> single transaction -> dispense funds

that way if you have 100 $1 donations you are charged (n * 1.029) + 0.35 instead of the current (n * 1.029) + (n * 0.35). This would save that person $35 a month. That's probably why people are losing donors; the ones who have many, many individual single-dollar donations are canceling the ones they care about the least.

PUT ME IN THE GAME COACH I AM A BUSINESS FUCKING PROFESSIONAL
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We should make a Patreon competitor solely for the cows.. Generate some money to add to the salt and laughs we milk from them everyday.
 
Oh no.
Hipster Welfare is being cut off. What ever will we do without the brilliant work of people like Randi Harper and Nora Reed? How will some jagoff in his parents basement get paid for streaming League of Legends games in his underwear? How will deadbeats with pretentions of being political activists crowdfund their ability to stage protests and fuck up my commute?
Oh no. Somebody help. Please. Ahhh.
 
Null said:
actually, if patreon was smart, it would just charge individual supporters instead of going creator-by-creator and charging each sponsor individually

i.e. instead of: each creator -> each supporter -> each transaction
go: each supporter -> get sum of all donations -> single transaction -> dispense funds

that way if you have 100 $1 donations you are charged (n * 1.029) + 0.35 instead of the current (n * 1.029) + (n * 0.35). This would save that person $35 a month. That's probably why people are losing donors; the ones who have many, many individual single-dollar donations are canceling the ones they care about the least.

PUT ME IN THE GAME COACH I AM A BUSINESS FUCKING PROFESSIONAL
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That's almost exactly what they are doing now and they don't want to do it anymore.
They want to charge everyone at the exact moment they need to, more details are near the middle of their announcement: https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure/

In short this is what they want: You subscribe on the 14th to a content creator that charges monthly, then you get charged on the 14th, every month. You subscribe for a content creator that charges per-post, you pay when the post goes up. Different creators, different subscription dates, different paid posts → different transactions.

There are other solutions that would work differently, but would also be fair, but I guess Patreon does not care that much. Or they are too dumb to figure it out. In either case, they deserve everything that happens to them.
 
DieselBoogaloo said:
That's almost exactly what they are doing now and they don't want to do it anymore.
They want to charge everyone at the exact moment they need to, more details are near the middle of their announcement: https://blog.patreon.com/updating-patreons-fee-structure/

In short this is what they want: You subscribe on the 14th to a content creator that charges monthly, then you get charged on the 14th, every month. You subscribe for a content creator that charges per-post, you pay when the post goes up. Different creators, different subscription dates, different paid posts → different transactions.

There are other solutions that would work differently, but would also be fair, but I guess Patreon does not care that much. Or they are too dumb to figure it out. In either case, they deserve everything that happens to them.
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If they want to ensure the donations are going through to prevent fraud to steal content, just charge immediately and then again the first of the next month.
 
Relying on any website to allow you to engage in #easymode is a disaster to begin with. But with this issue I've noticed that while small creators are the ones getting fucked and are reeeeing, the more popular ones are still against it yet are bringing more valid criticisms and are more concerned for their fans and not they themselves. I myself prefer quality over quantity. The two creators I pledge to are fine, and they really do produce solid and consistent work. And neither of them make opinion vlogs or stream fucking videogames for a living. If you make quality work the money seems to come easier.... Unless you get massive trans community sympathy bucks.
 
Null said:
If they want to ensure the donations are going through to prevent fraud to steal content, just charge immediately and then again the first of the next month.
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"I paid for my porn on the 29th and they're charging me again after just two days!"
That hypothetical user's complaint is their excuse.
In such case they should just give a part of the first unpaid month free (you pay twice → you get two full months), or have the second charge lowered proportionately (you pay $1 today → you'll pay $0.06 in two days). But that's too complex for them, or rather too complex for their users. Rule #1 of business: customer is always dumb.

But anyway, what they ask for payment fees is above what any payment processor asks for, so that's probably just a money grab to appease investors. They'll probably do bulk transactions whenever they'll be able to go away with it, for example when payments events should happen less than 12 hours apart, but they'll charge for each payment separately.
 
Does this mean mike and jay will finally be able to afford to pay someone to kill the wizard
 
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