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Which Paper Mario Game is your Favorite?

  • Paper Mario

    Votes: 173 23.3%
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

    Votes: 356 47.9%
  • Super Paper Mario

    Votes: 124 16.7%
  • Paper Mario: Sticker Star

    Votes: 19 2.6%
  • Paper Mario Color Splash

    Votes: 9 1.2%
  • They're all good imo

    Votes: 62 8.3%

  • Total voters
    743
Don't get mad, these posts are from people who are probably younger than TTYD. Unlikely they've ever played either of the real Paper Mario games. Likely the kind of person who gets nostalgic for Mario Kart DS.
Unfortunately, two of these screencaps are from a streamer I like*, and he's played the original Paper Mario and TTYD. I recently rewatched his old Color Splash LP, and it occurred to me that about 30% of his commentary is basically shitting on fans who wanted another TTYD, and how much better Color Splash is by comparison.

*Well, I say "like," but I've kind of stopped watching him lately, as his content has gradually become less of "video games with entertaining commentary" and more "here are my politics, agree with me or else: featuring video games."
 
Unfortunately, two of these screencaps are from a streamer I like*, and he's played the original Paper Mario and TTYD. I recently rewatched his old Color Splash LP, and it occurred to me that about 30% of his commentary is basically shitting on fans who wanted another TTYD, and how much better Color Splash is by comparison.

*Well, I say "like," but I've kind of stopped watching him lately, as his content has gradually become less of "video games with entertaining commentary" and more "here are my politics, agree with me or else: featuring video games."
What's it going to take to get it through their thick skulls that people aren't asking for a carbon copy of TTYD, but rather a new Paper Mario game in that style? It's not even like Assassin's Creed fans bitching about the latest games being different, this series hasn't had a game like TTYD for 16 years, it would practically be a breath of fresh air at this point.

People like that streamer have had three games to their liking, they can wait over a decade for another for all I care.
 
What's it going to take to get it through their thick skulls that people aren't asking for a carbon copy of TTYD, but rather a new Paper Mario game in that style? It's not even like Assassin's Creed fans bitching about the latest games being different, this series hasn't had a game like TTYD for 16 years, it would practically be a breath of fresh air at this point.

People like that streamer have had three games to their liking, they can wait over a decade for another for all I care.

Blame Miyamoto (and Japan?)
He is an idiot for thinking that hardware innovation and new features equal cutting back on story elements.

Is there anyone in Nintendo that hears our cries? Nate Biddorff? Leslie Swan?
 
Super Mario RPG belongs in the poll. Paper Mario literally would not exist without it. Different visuals? sure... But this series has changed its visuals multiple times over the years. The visual difference from Super Mario RPG to Paper Mario (And it wasn't even called Paper Mario in Japanese.) is about the same as the difference between 1000 year door to any of the other entries where they ran the "paper" aspect of the series into the ground. The gameplay is similar enough.
 
Blame Miyamoto (and Japan?)
He is an idiot for thinking that hardware innovation and new features equal cutting back on story elements.

Is there anyone in Nintendo that hears our cries? Nate Biddorff? Leslie Swan?
I don’t think Nintendo is very eager to interact or listen to fans at the moment, given the Smash drama at the moment.
 
I don’t think Nintendo is very eager to interact or listen to fans at the moment, given the Smash drama at the moment.
It makes you realize that the smash fags didn't want characters in smash because they enjoyed the guest star game series, they wanted them in smash so that their own fetishes could expand their reach into other communities.
 
I think it time for a new type of mario rpg. M&L (I think they're named dream team) studio going bankrupt probably mean the serie is dead. And the the new paper mario(SS, CS, OK) have only in common the name they are more like a weird generic party game than proper rpg with personality like the first 2 one.
 
My SO has the leak and has been playing it all morning and I've been passively watching. Dunno if any of this is new info since I didn't watch the treehouse but whatever, quick impressions:

1. It's got B-writer syndrome. The main dialog text is standard Treehouse garbage peppered with internet neologisms and bad references to pop culture, but a lot of the throwaway lines are actually genuinely funny and I get the distinct impression that the funny writer is bitter about the absence of combat. Also, I feel like it's a massive missed opporunity to not refer to the origami enemies as The Fold due to the sheer amount of wordplay you could get out of it, but maybe the mild religious implication would be too much for a Mario game even though it'd be really funny and fit their behavior well.

eta: Forgot to mention, Luigi's characterization is incredibly bizarre to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if he's third-act revealed to be an imposter.

2. More NPCs than just toad and some toads actually have modified designs ala TTYD.

3. Combat is piss easy to the point where it's insulting, at least so far. The game's clearly split into divisions analogous to 8 chapters and in the first one (which I'd put at about an hour and a half-ish in length) probably had about a dozen battles total, all of which consisted of moving the ring and doing one action to one-shot the fight.

Amusing to me is the fact that a game called Iris and the Giant did a very similar puzzle-combat thing last year and this feels like a massively watered down version of that with added rubik's cube shifting mechanics.

All in all, less grating than sticker star but still probably a one-and-done rental playthrough. An infinite puzzle survival mode would be nice, hope that shows up at some point assuming the combat gets more complex (likely because the menu has a ton of deadspace).

Super Mario RPG belongs in the poll. Paper Mario literally would not exist without it. Different visuals? sure... But this series has changed its visuals multiple times over the years. The visual difference from Super Mario RPG to Paper Mario (And it wasn't even called Paper Mario in Japanese.) is about the same as the difference between 1000 year door to any of the other entries where they ran the "paper" aspect of the series into the ground. The gameplay is similar enough.

SMRPG is the only one that went the whole nine yards using mario as a silent protagonist, too. The physical comedy was funny as a kid in a cartoon slapstick way but seeing it a decade later and realizing how the entire setup was a gigantic charlie chaplin homage made me appreciate it much more.
 
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You know what? if Nomura made a modern Super Mario RPG it would probably surpass the wikipedia articles in terms of length and number when compared to Smash brothers or Kingdom hearts.
 
Man, as a smt fan you guys have my condelences, 3 games in a row of the same garbage.
 
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