As much as I'd like that, I'll have to disagree. Just look at fujo slop like Heated Rivalry and the inclusion of tropey m/m ships in mainstream media. I fear we've yet to reach peak yaoi. And imo we won't be able to get rid of that scourge unless shipping as a whole gets pushed back into a corner of online fandom. With how obsessed everyone seems these days with ~queerness~, sexuality and gooning I sadly don't see that happening anytime soon.
Maybe Im looking for a time that probably wasn't there but I'd like for there to be a day where 90% of people in fandoms actually matched most people's sexuality irl and actually ship straight ships (mostly) and no one would have this weird obsession with "queerness". Im not acting like straight people are persecuted or anything, or that gay shipping wont exist, but I feel like a lot of people force themselves to like same sex ships because they want to appear progressive. The argument I've herd is "Queer kids want to see themselves and fandom provides a safe space for them". Even if this was true, straight ships should still outnumber gay ships. It just doesn't make sense how we have fandoms where you can complain about straight shipping, call it "heteroslop", and can get thousands upon thousands of likes on it, but if you dare complain about a queer ship not making any sense and its clearly just popular because its a homosexual ship, you'll be accused of "erasing gay people" from media.
Fujos claim to hate gender roles because it reminds them of societal misogyny, yet will turn around and assume who is gay or not because of how they look. Related:
Craig on South Park is actually gay in canon. My argument was how fujos have this obsession with reminding people he is even when hes not doing anything homo on screen. Like when he was a bully and tied a kid up and a comment has to go "Hes so gay". Like do they think that if they dont remind people that everyone will forget?
call it "heteroslop", and can get thousands upon thousands of likes on it, but if you dare complain about a queer ship not making any sense and its clearly just popular because its a homosexual ship, you'll be accused of "erasing gay people" from media
Definitely. I've seen one too many comments of fujos getting their panties in a twist if you even dare to ship their gay characters (be it canon or not) with a woman.
I've been on the internet for for decades and seen some weird shit, but even I have to admit I'm shocked that South Park of all things has a fujo following. Rule 34 and everything but like...how? The tone of the show doesn't invite it, the art style doesn't invite it. When did this happen?
Late and gay, but my anecdotal reply to this question - whenever I happen upon a /co/ thread about South Park or accidentally see something about it on tumblr/Xitter there are only two takeaways I have.
One, the fandom (and truthfully, the series itself) think the show is as relevant nowadays as it was 15-20 years ago, when it still had a shock factor to it. In reality it's as relevant as The Simpsons with the only difference being that South Park is more willing to comment on topics that aren't immediately dated due to it taking a shorter amount of time to animate than The Simpsons.
Two, and this is in result of the first point, because the first wave of its edgy fandom has grown up and left to either troon out or become normal human beings, the show has been left with the one thing that appeals to a fandom space - shippable characters (I say this with a heavy, HEAVY dose of sarcasm, but it is unfortunately true). However, since the main characters are all children and probably always will be outside of special episodes, South Park is in a situation where the vast majority of its regular fanbase is made up of female pedophiles. Very progressive of them! There's no one to bully them for their "tastes" because those people haven't been the majority of the fandom in well over a decade, so they're left free to fester, feeding off of each other's disgusting attraction to children.
Honest, I don't think most on this thread are really angry. Most of us dgaf about them, but they often must make themselves known. They are rotten, afterall. Still, at worse, we just find fujos an annoying & persistent part of modern fan culture, like troons. Online = lack of accurate emotional expression + KF autism speech yadda yadda.
Some of their spats are very funny (racist, misogynist "queer" fujos v. black/colored fujos v. gay men v. lesbians etc) & others just stand to highlight their hypocrisy (constant whining & complaining about pornrotted men when they often are exactly the same, but hide it under the guise of "sOcIal jUSTice"). Also, you do have to admit that the concept of mpreg knotting (ethical or not) is wild & what's even crazier is that some of these women have completely altered their bodies, lives, and future because they became autistically obsessed with that shit.
Honestly, this thread is very fun/greatly cathartic to me & I wish we had more specific female spergs of this category.
Honest, I don't think most on this thread are really angry. Most of us dgaf about them, but they often must make themselves known. They are rotten, afterall. Still, at worse, we just find fujos an annoying & persistent part of modern fan culture, like troons. Online = lack of accurate emotional expression + KF autism speech yadda yadda.
Some of their spats are very funny (racist, misogynist "queer" fujos v. black/colored fujos v. gay men v. lesbians etc) & others just stand to highlight their hypocrisy (constant whining & complaining about pornrotted men when they often are exactly the same, but hide it under the guise of "sOcIal jUSTice"). Also, you do have to admit that the concept of mpreg knotting (ethical or not) is wild & what's even crazier is that some of these women have completely altered their bodies, lives, and future because they became autistically obsessed with that shit.
Honestly, this thread is very fun/greatly cathartic to me & I wish we had more specific female spergs of this category.
Yeah fujos don’t really make me MOTI they’re just fucking annoying and I hate these mostly straight women saying they’re ~kaweeeer~ to make their obsession with boys fucking less creepy. It makes those of us who are LGB look like sick freaks.
Most actual gay people arent sperging out over how an obsession with teenage boys fucking is activism, actually.
Anyway I saw a post about gay smut featuring a border patrol agent and an illegal immigrant. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
Yeah fujos don’t really make me MOTI they’re just fucking annoying and I hate these mostly straight women saying they’re ~kaweeeer~ to make their obsession with boys fucking less creepy. It makes those of us who are LGB look like sick freaks.
Most actual gay people arent sperging out over how an obsession with teenage boys fucking is activism, actually.
Anyway I saw a post about gay smut featuring a border patrol agent and an illegal immigrant. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
The thing that I hate is how they hide behind activism to be obsessed with with their yaoi ships. A couple of pages ago, @Chandelier shared a Byler nutjob who said it has to be canon because "The faith of queer kids lives in America depends on it" and its like bro, no one killed themselves all because Byler didn't become canon.
Hell, I see this shit in the South Park fandom where some fans want another m/m ship to become canon like Stan and Kyle or Kenny and Butters, or sometimes Cartman and Kyle and the crazy part is how these fans dont care about the fact that the show has 4 canon gay couples on it in Tweek and Craig, Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave, Satan and his many lovers, and Garrison and Rick. The fans complain about how Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave are stereotypes even though these exact same fujos always come up with headcanons with Tweek and Craig that are like "Who is more of a femboy". Hell, just the other day I saw people debating on who would be a top or bottom ffs when these characters are 9!
Fujos are going to be really annoying about this:
He is going to adapt The Golden Mean by Annabel Lyon. I just pray that the ‘Forbidden Love’ is faithful to the book between Alexander and Hephaestion and they don’t age down Aristotle to make A x A happen…Who am I kidding it’s gonna be Wattpad-ified to the moon!
Also Song of Achilles is very popular, why not just adapt that instead?
In a tweet that audibly made me go, "what the fuck?" comes another profound case of exploring the social aspects of gender by...making the alpha male "tolerate" his kids only if they look like them. No wonder mixed race ABOs are rare; he might bash their heads if they're a shade too dark.
Of course there's a Viktor pfp.
It's not heteronormative if the alpha male kills his child like a lion. He's just ensuring the purity of his genes.
People asked for fic recs.
Others rightfully wondered what the fuck they were reading.
"Diverse social commentary" and it's an alpha male going crazy at an infant not looking like him
Others asked some basic questions.
After KPDH won "Best Original Song," much to the ire of blacks who wanted 'Sinners' to win, some people decided to make it about Hudson Williams, a man who has as much RPF as he does for Shane Hollander, in this deleted tweet.
It's less to do with him being Asian - Vancouver is over 27% Chinese - than him being gay for pay and typecast.
They're literally all Hudson pfps.
She deleted after getting her ass beat in the QTs.
We ended getting some black-on-black violence:
You look awfully white for a black Dominican.
"THEY WERE ENSLAVED, NIGGA"
"This is Asian hate"
While this thread largely focuses on fandoms surrounding fictional characters, some do base their entire lives on the looks and sex lives of the celebrity actors they ship. After "Heated Rivalry's" meteoric rise, people have shipped the two actors together. During last night's Oscars, that didn't stop someone from comparing his ugly ass to a woman.
People pointed out how the suit didn't even fit him.
Hudson fans accused the OP of "drumming up drama" and spreading "misinformation."
"Racist haters" and the woman next to him also looks mixed
In case you thought, "that's really not so bad" this tweet that had the author turning off replies said Connor was "the world's first loyal bisexual." In another rather tone deaf tweet, a white lesbian says that "forbidden romances" only works with queers. It met the wrong audience as she also shut off replies.
How much you wanna bet she reads nigga yaoi? Either way, she was brought to heel.
Not to worry, you can just say straight people are obsessed with incest. Those tropes don't exist in your yaoi at all.
What are some recommendations? A lesbian work featuring a white German (I assume) butch buck breaking a Nigerian.
"Just get over it euggggh" you apparently care if these dynamics are in omegaverse.
The white queer then got a smacking.
As Asian butted in, but was also put in her place by blacks. Minority vs minority.
Jeet mention:
And we know how white queers hate Jeets.
I don't know the context of the original tweet as the OP went private, but if a man is empathetic, he's now feminine according to this Byler. Lastly, someone had an Azalea Banks moment and proceeded to piss off a host of pooners.
This looks incredibly well with this tweet, after an entire row of Brazilians calling their black opp "Shanequa." They love projecting onto this character yet saying they have a "micropenis" is too far.
Fujos are going to be really annoying about this: View attachment 8698097
He is going to adapt The Golden Mean by Annabel Lyon. I just pray that the ‘Forbidden Love’ is faithful to the book between Alexander and Hephaestion and they don’t age down Aristotle to make A x A happen…Who am I kidding it’s gonna be Wattpad-ified to the moon!
Also Song of Achilles is very popular, why not just adapt that instead?
It appears the "Heated Rivalry" fandom has about as much destructive power as Yellowstone, because no matter where I look, they're starting something. If you see a Hudson Williams pfp, you know you're in for a bad take. They don't appear to stand by their beliefs as this tweet was deleted.
There are eight million M/M fics, 4 million straight fics, 1 million F/F fics. But don't let that cloud that male centrism.
Someone posts a stat about 97% of AO3's user base being LGBT. It isn't 97%. It's around 27% or more, with all the gender identities belonging to women. Males make up 5% of all fanfic writers.
And the response. Another Heated Rivalry fan talks about how she finds straight people boring.
"I'm literally a woman, I can't be male centered or misogynist" This fujo was outed for reading and bookmarking underage JJK fic. Turns out she doesn't mind actual children being sexualized, either. Her appearance matches her views down to the pink hair and septum piercing.
In a video that is the epitome of fujoshi entitlement down to the insatiable need to slam some humble pie in her face, a stuck up white girl demands that an actor declare his support for Byler lest he get mobbed by lover of cocksuckers women like her.
The video:
Just a casual admission at this point. The context:
The whole thread.
Okay, I laughed at this meme:
A literal dick copter? Wow.
In the Pitt, a show that has multiple lesbian and queer characters with prominent storylines, the fandom instead gravitates towards the ship between Michael Robinavitch and Dennis Whitaker. Much like another fandom infamous for race wars, the Jewish main had a black girlfriend before she was written off. People prefer to see him fuck a bowl cut English frogman.
Robinavitch:
Whitaker:
This woman made a Tiktok about how Pitt fans woobify this basic white man.
She is not mad, that'd be ridiculous. Doesn't mean she isn't upset. The word she should have actually used is "frustrated." And it's understandable.
Almost all fandoms have a large population of ravenous hyenas that will baby the nearest ugly, white man/men characters like they would a toddler while either ignoring to vitriolically hating every female character (white or not). It doesn't matter how complex these women are, whether their the main or integral side characters, or how much they matter to the overall plot. These "queer in the streets, trad in the sheets", mentally locked in 7th grade creatures will do everything in their power to bolster their white boy rat king.
And they're often the most vocal, persistent, and selfish members of fandom. If you're an autistic, but overall normal, woman in most fandoms, prepare to block/avoid a lot of people. These types hate normal people because they get in the way of their gooning & remind them that their parents are disappointed in them. Luckily, they make themselves easy to spot (septums piercings, dangerhairs, fat/overweight or anachan, pronouns/progshit, [usually] very white, "proshipper/dark content" lovers, fake edgy, often extremely shy/anxious irl). I remember a radfem tumblr comic spreading around pointing these things out. It doesn't have to do directly with this thread, but one of the named side characters (Kai?) was just like this. Down to the refusing to talk to other women & calling them "cissoids" or someshit. The main cast were all lesbos, often nonwhite, and in the typical Steven Universe, doughy SJW/Tumblresque style. Caught me off guard, real bait-n-switch.
Edit: Even so, you are right. No one feels bad for the otherside. They didn't put their foot down & call out the Eleproto-poon in the room when they had the chance. Too afraid of being called some -phobic or -ist. Too high off their moral superiority over "defending da queers." Too attached to random, online, strangers' opinions. It's their fault for being so willing to let these open sores fester. Now that fujos have manifested into ulcers on the belly of fandom, they see the problem.
Tldr: if these weirdoes had been called out as retarded & lame in the beginning, we would have never gotten to this point. Sometimes, bullying is a necessary wrong.
Nah. She's not even frustrated. It's all performative.
All of these people who complain about characters who are sooooooo goooooood do not make or share content for those characters or types of ships. They care more about being perceived as someone who likes the "right" characters (in this case: "diverse" ones) than they actually do about these characters. They're trying to score good girl points by having the "right" politics...in fucking fanfic world.
Fujos are annoying and will bash down your door to sperg about shit you don't care about but they're correct when they also point out that the people that bitch and moan about certain characters not getting enough attention also don't like those characters because there would be a much larger portion of Ao3 stats dedicated to them if there were.
Writing about a child being groomed as if it's romantic is weird AF but beyond that there isn't anything inherently immoral or wrong with the types of stuff fandoms are into. Most of it is just bog standard romance stuff. No one is doing anything by trying to make it about DEI.
Both sides here are on their shit. Fujos are NLOGs who don't like girls being included unless it's as a punching bag. The other side is also just miffed that people like characters who are pale and male (despite probably being creators and consumers of the same type of content considering it's just such the sheer overwhelming majority of what is engaged with in fandom).
I think the biggest reason why certain types are so upset is that this entire conversation crashes into their illusion that "representation" in media changes hearts and minds. When you go into the Sinners fandom on Ao3 and drop down to the "relationships" to see which is tagged the most the first ship is literally Remmick reader-fic. Take that in.
So no, I do not believe she is actually mad or frustrated. I'm just here to watch navel gazing retards fling shit at each other.
Fujos are annoying and will bash down your door to sperg about shit you don't care about but they're correct when they also point out that the people that bitch and moan about certain characters not getting enough attention also don't like those characters because there would be a much larger portion of Ao3 stats dedicated to them if there were.
In "The Pitt's" case, the show is based on the experiences of a black doctor. So it abides by their first rule: "pick up a pen and do it yourself." It has a canonical lesbian relationship front and center, another rule followed. It had a Jew/black woman relationship, another rarity. And yet, they went for the Jew and the bug-eyed white man, because the ultimate rule they follow is that white cocks are supreme. It can no longer be argued that it's because the women, white or not, are uninteresting. Men can be one dimensional with no character development and "have the personalities of a piece of cardboard" and, to quote a sassy black Kween, "you'll draw fanart of them with their tongues up in their mouths and asses."
So even when they do make their own content, they go for the men.
In "The Pitt's" case, the show is based on the experiences of a black doctor. So it abides by their first rule: "pick up a pen and do it yourself." It has a canonical lesbian relationship front and center, another rule followed. It had a Jew/black woman relationship, another rarity. And yet, they went for the Jew and the bug-eyed white man, because the ultimate rule they follow is that white cocks are supreme. It can no longer be argued that it's because the women, white or not, are uninteresting. Men can be one dimensional with no character development and "have the personalities of a piece of cardboard" and, to quote a sassy black Kween, "you'll draw fanart of them with their tongues up in their mouths and asses."
So even when they do make their own content, they go for the men.
Also, they really over state the "interestingness" and the comparative "boringness" of the characters. Usually chalk it down to "x suffered more" which yeah struggle can be interesting but ONLY IF YOU'RE WATCHING IT. A character having a shitty backstory is just a cheap way to induce sympathy in the audience. It's the entire reason "fridging" is a trope.
Again, all of them play up certain things to cover what they're really upset about. The fujos don't want to feel forced to include girlies (or nons). And the other side (whatever they're to be called) have some sort of anger that fujos like white cocks.
Both sides are insufferable in their inability to leave each other alone.
Screamingly funny, it's like if aliens who reproduce by cloning tried writing a story about homo sapiens sexual dynamics. Imagine reading lesbian porn written for male tastes, as a woman.
Mostly I find all that relationship drama jaw-breakingly boring, though. Nothing happens here, Chud, just 2 guys arguing over stuff that actual guys would sort out between themselves in 5 minutes, tops (no pun intended).
Late and I'm not sure it matters, but you've got this backwards. They're saying they like it when the alpha only loves the omega, and the only reason he tolerates the baby is because the baby looks like the omega. Basically a man who's annoyed that their children take up his wife's time and energy, except with added threat of incest and also dumber. "I fuck you and sometimes these things appear, WTF."
He is going to adapt The Golden Mean by Annabel Lyon. I just pray that the ‘Forbidden Love’ is faithful to the book between Alexander and Hephaestion and they don’t age down Aristotle to make A x A happen…
we live in super hell
it was a book focused on aristotle’s perspective, so why is the tv show adaptation getting named after alexander? why is forbidden love such a top selling point?? how do people even justify romanticizing ancient greek sodomy culture???
we live in super hell
it was a book focused on aristotle’s perspective, so why is the tv show adaptation getting named after alexander? why is forbidden love such a top selling point?? how do people even justify romanticizing ancient greek sodomy culture???
The idea that Greece was full of fags is itself fanfiction based mostly on some fags book where he had vases depicting gay sex or something and wrote about how this means there was gay sex everywhere because he is a gay man who likes gay sex.
Whenever people talk about how prevalent certain sexual behaviors are they're usually just fantasizing. This goes especially for anything historical.
Like are people really surprised why a fag would fantasize or desire about a place/time where there's a bunch of homos around to sex up? And because he's a hollyweird of course he makes it pedophilic too.
The idea that Greece was full of fags is itself fanfiction based mostly on some fags book where he had vases depicting gay sex or something and wrote about how this means there was gay sex everywhere because he is a gay man who likes gay sex.
Whenever people talk about how prevalent certain sexual behaviors are they're usually just fantasizing. This goes especially for anything historical.
Like are people really surprised why a fag would fantasize or desire about a place/time where there's a bunch of homos around to sex up? And because he's a hollyweird of course he makes it pedophilic too.
Yeah, pretty much. There have always been gays present in human history., sure. Issue is that fujos and modern fags forget that Ancient Rome was not a homosexual paradise. In fact, homosexual relationships weren't really a socially accepted thing. In fact, homosexuality was very much a more political thing:
- Topping was a form of dominance & status flexing, moreso than a pleasure thing. To mount another man like a woman was then to show superiority over him.
- Bottoms were usually lowerclass/slave BOYS who were prostituting themselves cause they needed to make ends meet OR getting raped by their masters.
In fact:
- The pedo shit is the only time accurate because a lot of these boys were forced into these exploitation based relationships as early as TEN. Since they weren't men yet, they didn't have rights & some Roman families would exchange their son's autonomy for education, as they were often taught by their abusers.
- Most of these depictions on cases and carvings were either to showcase dominance, for porn, or as political mockery (for the receiver). For the maybe three probable "gay love" stories, you have the rebellion of Persephone & Hades, resilience of Cupid & Psyche, the tragedy of Orpheus & Eurydice, countless tales of sacrifice from prince/esses for their beloveds, etc. Don't even get me started on Sappho, the only known possible lesbian example of the time.
Certain translations of Roman mythos, where the gods were "gay", either conflate favortism/deep friendship with homo stuff (familiar, ey?) or misinterpret the original meanings entirely (FAMILIAR, EY?). Usually, both try to downplay the pedarist aspects (I heard one of the reasons why homosexuality is looked down so much in the bible us cause of that). "Glad" to see the hollyweird freaks remain nooseworthy by pushing that trait to the front. These are the same people who praise "Call Me By Your Name"
