KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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No big hurry. He still has 6 more years to win that Nobel Prize.
 
Looks like a, "Shit. We forgot to cancel our automated world wide threat system and wasn't expecting you to actually have balls and cancel the meeting. Please come back. I want McD's"
 
Pretty sure Kim Jong Un really does want this. He has to look strong at home through the process or he's going to get killed, then after that he has to make sure he doesn't do the Gaddafi after giving up his nukes.
Let me clarify the economic situation in North Korea. When they closed the border 50,000 Chinese lost their jobs. North Korea has industrial capacity and the cost of blue collar labor is around a dollar a day.

The second this goes through so many people will get rich and international aid aside, more food will start showing up on people's tables right away. Kim may not even want to run the country, you have to remember his brother didn't want the job. Would you rather have totally unchecked power in over a bunch of peasants in your own borders or would you rather be a multi-billionaire who can go anywhere?
Trump needs this, I mean can you imagine the favorable view that North Koreans will have of the man and his family well into the future. Nixon is the man who brought China out of it's shell and he's still spoken of favorably in China. Most Chinese have no idea that the man was the center of scandal in the USA. Trump tower Pyongyang?

I really think John Bolton wants to fuck this up. I don't know why, maybe he's just a stone cold psychopath. I hope Trump fires him this whole situation needs to be handled with kid gloves.
If you want to see how this SHOULD go this is real diplomacy:
https://china.usc.edu/mao-zedong-meets-richard-nixon-february-21-1972


President Nixon said:
I think the important thing to note is that in America, at least at this time, those on the right can do what those on the left talk about.
I just like this quote especially though. How times change.
 
Bolton was intentionally appointed as bad cop to make sure everyone knows there are other options too.
 
Although I'm still skeptical that Trump's "strategy" — and the strategies of the neocon ghouls in his cabinet — will work, it would be absolutely incredible if they did. I want to see every self important centrist Democrat and liberal swallowing bile as this blustering moron wins the Nobel.
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Yeah in hindsight trying to paint him as a complete moron really wasn't a clever plan, was it?
 
Yeah in hindsight trying to paint him as a complete moron really wasn't a clever plan, was it?

No, I definitely think he's incompetent at everything except grift and dealing with people like himself — it just turns out that those skills are 90% of what you need to successfully rule a state. The ice chewing maniacs who run the Republican machine are the ones making everything else happen, and they're the ones who kept him alive during the campaign.

It also helps that the Dems assume people in the U.S. give a single fuck about polite norms or wonk policy programs. I'd say I hope the leftists get them to give up on the "demographics are destiny!" delusion, but it's unlikely.
 
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/go...es-prospect-of-reignited-us-north-korea-talks

South Korea welcomes prospect of 'reignited' US-North Korea talks
SAT, MAY 26, 2018 - 2:02 PM
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South Korea on Saturday welcomed the renewed prospect of a summit between the United States and North Korea after President Trump cancelled talks with Kim Jong Un only to suggest they might still take place.
PHOTO: REUTERS
[SEOUL] South Korea on Saturday welcomed the renewed prospect of a summit between the United States and North Korea after President Trump cancelled talks with Kim Jong Un only to suggest they might still take place.

"We find it fortunate that the embers of the North Korea-US talks are reignited. We are watching developments carefully," Presidential Blue House spokesman Kim Eui Gyeom said.

Mr Trump's cancellation of the summit blindsided treaty ally South Korea, which had brokered the remarkable detente between Washington and Pyongyang.

President Moon Jae In had to scramble his national security team when news of Mr Trump's decision first reached Seoul late Thursday evening as he called Washington's u-turn "shocking and very regrettable".

On Friday, Mr Trump turned on his heels again, saying the meeting with Mr Kim could go ahead after all - and would "likely" happen on the originally scheduled date of June 12 in Singapore.

The summit would be an unprecedented meeting between a sitting US president and a North Korean leader, which Washington hopes will result in full denuclearisation of the reclusive state.

South Korea's Moon has pushed diplomacy as he desperately sought to calm spiralling tensions on the Korean Peninsula and an escalating war of words between Mr Kim and Mr Trump last year sparked by Pyongyang's detonation of its largest nuclear bomb to date and a series of intercontinental ballistic missile tests.
 
To be fair it does look a hell of a lot like a really quickly done translation of whatever the actual official statement is.
The original official style of North Korean statements is that odd, if I'm not mistaken. The lack of good English translators due to political isolation doesn't help - it makes official North Korean English-language publications look archaic at best, because the local translators don't know how people actually speak English now.
Soviet publications in English also had this problem, to a lesser extent.

Regarding the cancellation of the summit: I think it was a very stupid move. Cancelling the summit on the day North Korea blew up the nuclear test site tunnels only gave away a propaganda victory to the North and made America look like someone who's unwilling to talk. If that was Bolton's idea, someone should smack him.
I hope Trump and Kim would get back to the diplomatic table eventually.
 
The original official style of North Korean statements is that odd, if I'm not mistaken. The lack of good English translators due to political isolation doesn't help - it makes official North Korean English-language publications look archaic at best, because the local translators don't know how people actually speak English now.
Soviet publications in English also had this problem, to a lesser extent.

Regarding the cancellation of the summit: I think it was a very stupid move. Cancelling the summit on the day North Korea blew up the nuclear test site tunnels only gave away a propaganda victory to the North and made America look like someone who's unwilling to talk. If that was Bolton's idea, someone should smack him.
I hope Trump and Kim would get back to the diplomatic table eventually.
If I've been reading correct, the plans for the summit are still set, just not the date.

Both Trump and Kim want to do this, it's just a matter of when, not if at this point.
 
https://ph.yahoo.com/news/news/seoul-north-korea-committed-us-summit-denuclearization-012000665.html

S. Korea: Kim commits to summit with Trump, denuclearization

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In this May 26, 2018 photo provided on May 27, 2018, by South Korea Presidential Blue House via Yonhap News Agency, South Korean President Moon Jae-in, left, is guided by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, right, at the northern side of Panmunjom in North Korea. Kim and Moon met Saturday, May 26, for the second time in a month, exchanging a huge bear hug and broad smiles in a surprise summit at a border village to discuss Kim's potential meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump and ways to follow through on the peace initiatives of the rivals' earlier summit.(South Korea Presidential Blue House/Yonhap via AP)
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Sunday that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un committed in their surprise meeting to sitting down with President Donald Trump and to a "complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

The Korean leaders' second summit in a month saw bear hugs and broad smiles, but their quickly arranged meeting Saturday appears to highlight a sense of urgency on both sides of the world's most heavily armed border.

At the White House, Trump said negotiations over a potential June 12 summit with Kim that he had earlier canceled were "going along very well." Trump told reporters that they are still considering Singapore as the venue for their talks. He said there is a "lot of good will," and that denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula would be "a great thing."

The Koreas' talks, which Moon said Kim requested, capped a whirlwind 24 hours of diplomatic back-and-forth. They allowed Moon to push for a U.S.-North Korean summit that he sees as the best way to ease animosity that had some fearing a war last year.

Kim may see the sit-down with Trump as necessary to easing pressure from crushing sanctions and to winning security assurances in a region surrounded by enemies.

Moon told reporters Sunday that Kim "again made clear his commitment to a complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula," and that he told the South Korean leader he's willing to cooperate to end confrontation and work toward peace for the sake of the successful North Korea-U.S. summit.

Moon said he told Kim that Trump has a "firm resolve" to end hostile relations with North Korea and initiate economic cooperation if Kim implements "complete denuclearization."

"What Kim is unclear about is that he has concerns about whether his country can surely trust the United States over its promise to end hostile relations (with North Korea) and provide a security guarantee if they do denuclearization," Moon said.

"During the South Korea-U.S. summit, President Trump said the U.S. is willing to clearly put an end to hostile relations (between the U.S. and North Korea) and help (the North) achieve economic prosperity if North Korea conducts denuclearization," he said.

Moon said North Korea and the United States will soon start working-level talks to prepare for the Kim-Trump summit. He said he expects the talks to go smoothly because Pyongyang and Washington both know what they want from each other.



Kim, in a telling line from a dispatch issued by the North's state-run news service earlier Sunday, "expressed his fixed will on the historic (North Korea)-U.S. summit talks." During Saturday's inter-Korean summit, the Korean leaders agreed to "positively cooperate with each other as ever to improve (North Korea)-U.S. relations and establish (a) mechanism for permanent and durable peace."

They agreed to have their top officials meet again June 1. Moon said military generals and Red Cross officials from the Koreas will also meet separately to discuss how to ease military tensions and resume reunions of families separated by the 1950-53 Korean War.

Saturday's Korean summit came hours after South Korea expressed relief over revived talks for a Trump-Kim meeting.

Despite repeated references to "denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" by the North, it remains unclear whether Kim will ever agree to fully abandon his nuclear arsenal.

The North has previously used the term to demand the United States pull out its 28,500 troops in South Korea and withdraw its so-called "nuclear umbrella" security commitment to South Korea and Japan. The North hasn't openly repeated those same demands after Kim's sudden outreach to Seoul and Washington.

Moon has insisted Kim can be persuaded to abandon his nuclear facilities, materials and bombs in a verifiable and irreversible way in exchange for credible security and economic guarantees. Moon said Sunday that the North's disarmament could be still be a difficult process even if Pyongyang, Washington and Seoul don't differ over what "complete denuclearization" of the peninsula means.

Moon, who brokered the summit between Washington and Pyongyang, likely used Saturday's meeting to confirm Kim's willingness to enter nuclear negotiations with Trump and clarify what steps Kim has in mind in the process of denuclearization, said Hong Min, a senior analyst at Seoul's Korea Institute for National Unification.

"While Washington and Pyongyang have expressed their hopes for a summit through published statements, Moon has to step up as the mediator because the surest way to set the meeting in stone would be an official confirmation of intent between heads of states," Hong said.

Some U.S. officials have talked about a comprehensive one-shot deal in which North Korea fully eliminates its nukes first and receives rewards later. But Kim, through two summits with Chinese President Xi Jinping in March and May, has called for a phased and synchronized process in which every action he takes is met with a reciprocal reward from the United States.

Before he canceled the summit, Trump did not rule out an incremental approach that would provide incentives along the way to the North.

Following an unusually provocative 2017 in which his engineers tested a purported thermonuclear warhead and three long-range missiles theoretically capable of striking mainland U.S. cities, Kim has engaged in a flurry of diplomatic activity in recent months. He has had the summits with Moon and Xi, as well as two meetings with U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

In addition to the team on North Korea that Pompeo set up last year when he was CIA director, he has now enlisted veteran U.S. diplomat Sung Kim to help in the process, a senior U.S. official said. Kim, who is currently ambassador to the Philippines, also served as ambassador to South Korea and was part of the U.S. negotiating team that last held substantive denuclearization talks with North Korea during the George W. Bush administration in 2005.

Photos released by South Korea's presidential office showed Moon arriving at the North Korean side of the Panmunjom truce village on Saturday and shaking hands with Kim's sister, Kim Yo Jong, before sitting down with Kim for their summit.

Moon was accompanied by his spy chief, Suh Hoon, while Kim was joined by Kim Yong Chol, a former military intelligence chief who is now Kim's top official on inter-Korean relations. The two leaders embraced as Moon departed.

At their first meeting on April 27, Kim and Moon first announced "complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" and permanent peace, which Seoul has tried to sell as a meaningful breakthrough to set up the summit with Trump.

Ahead of that summit, the Koreas established their first-ever leaders' hotline to enable Moon and Kim to engage in direct communication and defuse crises. But Moon said Sunday that he and Kim decided to meet again, rather than have a telephone conversation, as their aides suggested "candid" face-to-face talks between the leaders.

Relations between the two Koreas had chilled in recent weeks, with North Korea canceling a high-level meeting with Seoul over South Korea's participation in regular military exercises with the United States and insisting that it will not return to talks unless its grievances are resolved.

South Korea was caught off guard by Trump's abrupt cancellation of his summit with Kim, with the U.S. president citing hostility in recent North Korean comments. Moon said Trump's decision left him "perplexed" and was "very regrettable." He urged Washington and Pyongyang to resolve their differences through "more direct and closer dialogue between their leaders."

Saturday's summit marked the fourth meeting between the leaders of the two Koreas since they were divided at the end of the World War II in 1945.
 
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