KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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The rumor has always been that Kim Jong-Chul gets no love because he's either gay or a wimp. Kim Jong Il apparently had no interest in a successor with such an "effeminate" nature. And I hate to keep bringing this up, but JST had no blood relation to Kim Il Sung, he married into the family (one of Sung's daughters.) And the reason he died was not the threat he posed to Kim Jong Un, it was due to his existence as a check on the power of officials within the KWP. If Un dies now the next leader would probably not be from the family or would merely be a puppet (as I believe KJU is now) or both. Kim Jong Il died about twenty years before a man with his resources should have. Partially due to his own poor personal habits but also, and saying this would probably get you shot in the north, due to the bad genetics he inherited. If he had continued to live, his son would have continued to gain legitimacy, much as KJI himself did in the seventies and eighties, until the death occurred- at which point he really would have been in control.

edit: I see someone went out and edited that news.au article to no longer refer to a "teenaged son, born in 2010." A hilarious fuck-up, to be sure.
 
xxXDxx said:
when you call a bomb styrofoam and less than 12 hours later it explodes with the force of a hundred thousand tons of TNT

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You're off by a couple orders of magnitude.

Tsar Bomba was 50,000 kilotons. 50 megatons. (Think kilobytes v megabytes). Current US bombs are in the 1-2 megaton (1000-2000 kiloton) range. North Korea's new H-bomb is estimated around 100-400 kilotons.
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The Tsar Bomba they actually ignited was well below the tonnage the design allowed.

Also, don't even believe for a moment we don't have bombs on the same level. We're not idiots. We don't advertise them.
 
AnOminous said:
The Tsar Bomba they actually ignited was well below the tonnage the design allowed.

Also, don't even believe for a moment we don't have bombs on the same level. We're not idiots. We don't advertise them.
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Yeah, the Tsar Bomba was a 100MT design tamped down to 50MT by replacing a fissile uranium tamper with a depleted uranium tamper.

But the idea that we still have 50MT+ bombs is... unlikely. The problem is that a bomb with such a ridiculous yield needs to be huge. You can't really go higher than 8KT per KG because physics, which means the minimum practical weight for a 50MT bomb is roughly six tons. That can't be delivered on a missile and it's an impractically large bomb for a plane.
 
We need a gif a Kim Jong un eating a bunch of shit, slipping, and causing an earthquake when his fat ass hits the ground.

Because that is far more likely than some hillbilly provincials managing to make a hydrogen bomb
 
Super Smash Bros. Fan said:
One thing that I think is important is the consequences of radiation damage that will arise if Fatty nukes a city. It was horrible with Hiroshima and Nagasaki's bombing and if North Korea drops a 100-150 kilometers bomb, it will be worse than that.

I just noticed that Kaesong is right on the border to South Korea and Seoul is extremely close to the border as well. If Jong-Un is open to bombing his own citizens, he could be looking to bomb Kaesong in order to spread radiation throughout South Korea (particularly Seoul) in order to paralyze the country's economy.

Feel free to correct me on any of this (and if I overestimate the size that the radiation could spread to), but if I am right, this is concerning because North Korea could kill hundreds of thousands of citizens on its own land, kill many South Koreans through radiation poisoning, weaken South Korea, and potentially get away with it because the bomb wasn't placed in Seoul.
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In other news, Chosun (a conservative South Korean newspaper) claims that Pyongyang is westernizing:
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The case of Pyongyang westernising is completely overblown by KINU.
KINU is run by the SK Government. They constantly push this idea that North Korea is breaking out of it's dictatorial fever dream, solely because the youth is seeing Hallyu wave based material and are willing to risk death to achieve the South Korean dream. Of course to a degree this is happening, but not to the degree KINU makes out. The 2014 KINU paper "The Emergence of a New Generation" covers this in depth, with case studies, but it's always presented in optimistic as fuck terms - they highlight how easy reunification will be because some young kids watch Korean dramas and stay up all night listening to KPOP and aspire to shed political leanings of the country coz hail SOUTH KOREA. They do contrast this with the brutal reality that a lot are happy with the routine and regime of their lives, but they never speak of why they are.
Whilst this has been covered in Korean Historical/Sociological literature many times, I find it's always lacking from anything reunification based - the fact that historically Korea as a nation has been in a constant state of upheaval. Invasions, religious changes, social changes enacted by their close ties to China via confucianism in the Joseon era, which radically changed the social and economic landscape, etc. This has impacted the psyche of the people of both Koreas - their concept of emotional states stems from this history of upheaval. As brutal and horrible as this is - the Juche ideology is a direct reaction to this - it offers people this life style of not only stability but readiness to defend the stability. Juche is starving, brutal but it's also protection.

It's ignored in anything KINU produced because it doesn't serve the west facing agenda of South Korea - that they are a western ready player, but it's a reality for people from both Koreas, as idiotic as it sounds.
Cho et all do a song and dance around these issues every single time they release their peace and love happy flowery bullshit reunification research.

Even if KJU is taken out, none of this really matters because few will leave, Juche will always be no matter who's in charge. I don't think westerners get that whole process and KINU are certainly not going to confront the issue of how Juche came to be, why it is and why it will always be a part of Korean life, divided or not.
 
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Hyperion said:
that is far more likely than some hillbilly provincials managing to make a hydrogen bomb
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You know, H-bombs are 1950s technology. Designed with graph paper, slide rules, stunningly slow electromechanical computers and rudimentary understanding of nuclear physics, and built with primitive machine tools by skilled labourers.

Nowadays the shittiest smartphone can make billions of calculations per second, CNC machines and assembly robots are dirt cheap and readily available, and all that pesky research and design work has already been done by many countries, some less scrupulous about keeping secrets than others. The biggest hurdle is refining the proper radioactive materials.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
So Fatty's officially considering China an enemy.
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-north-korea-nuclear-analysis-20170903-story.html

I can't see this ending in anything but tears and destruction.
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Well, so much for worrying about a US Democratic power on the border, an insane nuke-happy dictator is probably worse and he's the neighbor now.

I can't help but wonder if China just moving in and crushing the shit out of NK forever might solve so many problems.
 
Optimus Prime said:
Well, so much for worrying about a US Democratic power on the border, an insane nuke-happy dictator is probably worse and he's the neighbor now.

I can't help but wonder if China just moving in and crushing the shit out of NK forever might solve so many problems.
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It would. It would also solve the problem of what to do afterward. Hint: The Chinese do whatever the fuck they want, we ignore them
 
Transvaalan said:
It would. It would also solve the problem of what to do afterward. Hint: The Chinese do whatever the fuck they want, we ignore them
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I don't mind a NK with a installed puppet govt. courtesy of China as long as they dismantle a lot of what the Kims put into place and bring in the reforms those people sorely need.
 
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