KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

MOD NOTE:

There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Strange, I seem to remember them testing a supposed H-bomb a couple years ago.

 

[CWCissey]

Strange, I seem to remember them testing a supposed H-bomb a couple years ago.

They did. This is supposedly a test of an H-bomb small enough to fit in a missile.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

They did. This is supposedly a test of an H-bomb small enough to fit in a missile.

What happened to those talks, China?

I think I said this earlier but it needs to be stressed. With the rate of just how unstable Fatty's getting, it'd be easier just to fight him off. And I don't care who does it.

 

[usernames can change now!]

Strange, I seem to remember them testing a supposed H-bomb a couple years ago.

That was what's known as a "boosted fission" weapon, it's basically a normal (non-hydrogen) atom bomb with a fresh minty mist of deuterium spritzed into it before detonation, the deuterium fuses and releases neutrons that accelerate the fission. Almost none of the actual energy is from fusion, but the extra neutrons make the fission more efficient and energetic.

A proper staged hydrogen bomb uses a giant "fuck you" stick of Lithium 6 Deutride as fuel, and a conventional atomic bomb as the igniter. Radiation pressure and heat compress and ignite the 6LiD to the point of nuclear fusion – here 90%+ of the energy is from fusion, only a fraction is from fission.

 

[heathercho]

If anyone is interested, here is the news broadcast live out of the DPRK

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TqWpXnaT4H0

This is sad watching this, honestly and this isn't the first time I've watched it.
It's sad for a lot of the usual reasons like KJU popping up every 2 seconds and people having to talk about him favourably, (There was one specific lady's testimonial for KJU's almighty power that could rival the bad acting in American Infomercials) and seeing how fat that cunt is compared to everyone else.
But also because you have this broadcast style, which is really similar to community tier 90's Japanese/Korean television (the echoing sound effects, the borders, the PIP style, the quivering voices) demonstrating the amazingness of KJU's North Korea... which is just depressing to think families are watching it whilst starving around a single bowl of rice. Dying in a blaze of Napalm and being reincarnated as a toad would be much better than that.

It reminds me though that Norks are going to be hard to integrate anywhere because everyone looks like they have rickets and North Korean dialect is fucking horrible. They all sound like 80's era Beat Takeshi.

 

[CWCissey]

What happened to those talks, China?

I think I said this earlier but it needs to be stressed. With the rate of just how unstable Fatty's getting, it'd be easier just to fight him off. And I don't care who does it.

Apparently there is some major BRICS talks going on in Shanghai today, so this may have been tied to them to embarrass the Chinese in punishment for agreeing with the latest round of sanctions.

Here's hoping there will be some Yalu crossings in the future...

 

[El Garbage]

If we say the bomb is about 150 kilotons, it's a tiny little firecracker compared to other nuclear nations' weapons. However:

If fired into a typical Asian locale, the direct casualties will be at least in tens of thousands, possibly even a couple of hundred thousand. A place like Shinjuku has over 300000 people crammed into a tiny area of 18 square km, pretty much all of them would die instantly.

Add radiation, chaos, failing infrastructure and suicides, and you'll get a death count of possibly even a million. Also a permanently changed geopolitical situation, and all kinds of other fun stuff.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

If we say the bomb is about 150 kilotons, it's a tiny little firecracker compared to other nuclear nations' weapons. However:

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If fired into a typical Asian locale, the direct casualties will be at least in tens of thousands, possibly even a couple of hundred thousand. A place like Shinjuku has over 300000 people crammed into a tiny area of 18 square km, pretty much all of them would die instantly.

Add radiation, chaos, failing infrastructure and suicides, and you'll get a death count of possibly even a million. Also a permanently changed geopolitical situation, and all kinds of other fun stuff.

I'd imagine Fatty would try to aim for Guam again if he launched that. That or try aiming for the US itself.

Either way, he and his family should have been dealt with a long time ago.

 

[The Great Chandler]

I hope a few more tests ignite that volcano we've talked about. A little delay on global warming would be nice.

 

[El Garbage]

or try aiming for the US itself.

Good luck with that with his trash tier rockets. Even Alaska is something like 5000 km from NK, and California is 9000 km away.

Guam is a bit closer, but nuking it as a primary target would be a complete waste of a bomb. Starting a nuclear war would be Krazy Kim's last action as a dictator, why spend it trying to kill a couple of marines and a bunch of pacific islanders. I think he'd go for maximum horror effect and bomb a dense civilian target like Tokyo or even Seoul.

 

[CWCissey]

I doubt it would be Seoul, due to how close it is and I imagine even Fatboy would consider the effects of Fallout. Tokyo would more likely be the shock target, although I could see him swinging at Seattle or San Francisco as soon as he's certain he can and that he's done anyway. Hell, if China finally does something, kiss Beijing, Shanghai or even Hong Kong goodbye.

 

[AN/ALR56]

His icbms are 1960s tier at most, thinking he will actually managed to land anywhere near Beijing or Guam
with huge amounts of anti balístic missile defenses designed to fight MIRV equipped missiles with decoys and other deception equipment is really optimistic.

A IRBM is far faster and has a much shorter reaction time for a defender to react, Seoul and Tokyo could be nuked, although I think if their militaries is any decent they could defend against it.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I doubt it would be Seoul, due to how close it is and I imagine even Fatboy would consider the effects of Fallout. Tokyo would more likely be the shock target, although I could see him swinging at Seattle or San Francisco as soon as he's certain he can and that he's done anyway. Hell, if China finally does something, kiss Beijing, Shanghai or even Hong Kong goodbye.

Yeah, I could see Krazy Kim try to nuke his own allies given how they won't listen to anyone, even China.

His icbms are 1960s tier at most, thinking he will actually managed to land anywhere near Beijing or Guam
with huge amounts of anti balístic missile defenses designed to fight MIRV equipped missiles with decoys and other deception equipment is really optimistic.

A IRBM is far faster and has a much shorter reaction time for a defender to react, Seoul and Tokyo could be nuked, although I think if their militaries is any decent they could defend against it.

IIRC, they're putting into place a NORAD-like system in both Seoul and Japan, so there's always that.

 

[Ravenor]

I've been saving this for the event of the next NK Nuclear Test -

 

[MG 192]

In my honest opinion (and just my opinion; if anyone has any other viewpoints or counter-arguments I'd love to hear them) the civilian population of North Korea is a bigger deterrent to its re-integration with the south than any force of arms ever raised within its borders. There are more than 25 million under-educated, malnourished, partially indoctrinated, completely impoverished serfs under North Koran rule. If North Korea laid down its arms tomorrow and peacefully surrendered with no strings attached, the simple burden of taking care of all those people would bankrupt the south overnight. NK is basically a giant prison camp, and nobody wants the responsibility of caring for all of its inmates. In the long run, it's simply easier for everyone involved to put up with the North's posturing, grandstanding and illegal activities than put them down. Not because it'd be particularly hard militarily, but because then the conquering nation would have to deal with all the problems the NK government deals with for them. It's just too big of a problem for anyone to really countenance, certainly not in the democratic times we live in today.

That implies that the world has to rebuild North Korea into an advanced society but that is not the case. All that needs to be done for reunification is to let South Korean's government take over the region and prevent mass migration of North Korean into the South. North Korea will still remain as a living hell but it would bring great publicity for South Korea and any one of its allies involved in toppling Kim Jong-Un's regime. If the USA gets involved, this will boost Trump's failing approval rating and chance of reelection. The world can lie about promising to rebuild North Korea and get away with it by showing isolated cases of "improvements" (much like how North Korea singles out only the bad aspects of the USA). It's shady as hell but could work without bankrupting the world's economy. The result is essentially a rich and poor nation under one government.

What is going to prevent Korea's reunification is not the illusion that it can be rebuilt but the Communist Party of China's (CPC) existence. If South Korea reunifies, China loses an important source of political power as a reunified Korea sits right on the border to China and it despises democracy. A democratic overthrow shows strength with South Korean and its allies while displaying China's weakness as a nation. North Korea exists solely as a buffer state and China will keep it going as long as the benefits does not exceed the costs of keeping it going.

China is under a rare situation where they can play the hero before South Korea & co. does and end the regime now. Plus China has said that they would not defend NK if it fucks up and blows a city or Guam up so their patience with Jong-Un's insanity is running out. The moment China suspects that Jong-Un will make good on his threat towards South Korea, Japan, or USA, Xi Jinping will probably overthrow the government and either install a more competent government or officially incorporate the territory into China.

This moves gives China great publicity while giving off a sense of weakness towards USA and its allies for not taking action earlier. Unlike a Korea reunification, there will also be no expectation of rebuilding the country, making the choice especially easy. If China is smart, they will end North Korea sooner than later so that its enemies do not. For extra good image, they might give Pyongyang to South Korea to give the illusion of supporting Korea's existence.

 

[CWCissey]

This moves gives China great publicity while giving off a sense of weakness towards USA and its allies for not taking action earlier.

Although the rest of the post was great, I will argue that a successful Chinese backed coup/invasion wouldn't make the West look any weaker as the reason they didn't do anything sooner was China in the first place.

 

[Ravenor]

TBH I think all sides have a portion of the blame in this case - nobody has wanted to deal with them as I said as they are just to inconvenient to deal with and it's lead to this mess we see before us today.

 

[whatever I feel like]

...I honestly think a lot of it stems from the actions of fatty compared to his father and grandfather. He tossed out all of his father's most trusted advisers, had his uncle executed and publicly announced it (which, like, never happens. It was always and "accident" or something), and it's pretty obvious that he had his already exiled brother assassinated...

I do not think that KJU is calling the shots. His father bungled the transition by dieing way too early and now a few officials within the Ministry of State Security have final say on these types of decisions. They are the ones who executed that so-called uncle (he married into the family and had no blood relation to Kim Il Sung,) killed that brother (who lived in exile for decades as a potential puppet for any Chinese led takeover,) and are okaying these missile and bomb tests.

I doubt that America hasn't built something larger than the Tsar Bomba by now. Y'know, just in case. But yeah, I was probably being optimistic about NK's competency.

There's really no point. Tsar Bomba was really just an overly large bomb and while that might be good for dick wiggling there's no military use for that increased size. Its better to have a normal sized war-head with better penetration for bunkers and its not like you need to wipe out an area that large in one hit when two or three close together works just as well.

If they actually fucking have this, Kim needs to be taken out now before Guam or Seoul is a nuclear crater.

Yes, before Seoul is a nuclear crater... about forty minutes before. I'm not saying not to do it, but its a really tough call that presidents have been dealing for over ten years now. They're likely to still be trying to deal with it ten years from now. If anything Congress and the Treasury Department have been taking the lead, with some of the first effective sanction actions taken since W.'s first term. The gears of government take a long time to grind into gear but it appears that they finally are.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Yes, before Seoul is a nuclear crater... about forty minutes before. I'm not saying not to do it, but its a really tough call that presidents have been dealing for over ten years now. They're likely to still be trying to deal with it ten years from now. If anything Congress and the Treasury Department have been taking the lead, with some of the first effective sanction actions taken since W.'s first term. The gears of government take a long time to grind into gear but it appears that they finally are.

The problem is that they're doing it when it's getting closer and closer to the point where Fatty irreversibly fucks up and nukes up any city (and I did say any, even NK's own cities are at risk here). If they were wise, they'd try to do it much sooner, such as when KJI died and Un entered office.

 

[76LD910]

I doubt that America hasn't built something larger than the Tsar Bomba by now. Y'know, just in case. But yeah, I was probably being optimistic about NK's competency.

There's no tactical or strategic advantage in building bombs more powerful than the ICBM's in stock today, a large bomb that has to be carried by aircraft is far less effective than swarming the enemy with 100's of MIRV's or dozens of smaller bombs that can be dropped by a single bomber.

The Tsar Bomba itself was designed to be capable of twice the yield that the test ended up being, the Russians decided to scale it down partially because of the perceived diplomatic impact but also because they realized such a device would be pointless considering what nuclear strategy was evolving into at the time.