Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

See, Scott? It's that easy, you don't have to put out
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MOVIE-LENGTH video essays to determine why the Wii U failed.

That's longer than the Lord of the Rings extended version

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Let me guess... he goes through (almost) each game that came out for the system?

Yep, pretty much. And this isn't even the first time he's covered the Wii U - he covered 2 of its biggest stinkers (Mario Tennis Ultra Smash and Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival) AND did a collaboration with Matt McMuscles on a Wha Happun? video on the Wii U:

The way he goes on about this thing, you'd think Satoru Iwata personally raped his mom and then shot both his mom and dad in the head when Nintendo made it.

edited to make the joke better

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Honestly agree. Nintendo would be idiotic to drop the 300 dollar price point. Which I'd why switch 2 isn't happening this year. Ps4 performance is what they want, but they also want a better battery life and less heat along with a rock bottom price. They need to wait a little longer for the tech to get there.

The price of components and tech isn't going to drop that much in a few months. Its almost certainly about launch lineup, and, in this case seemingly, building up stock so they have a lot of systems to sell. Since the next Xbox and Playstation are still a while away, they have some leeway to take their time, a bit.

It should also be noted Nintendo struggled in transition to HD for some reason, but even that's been ironed out by now.

Everybody struggled in the transition to HD. A lot of companies didn't even survive the HD transition. The difference is everybody went through their growing pains in the 360/PS3 generation. Nintendo stayed SD with the Wii, which turned out to be ill advised, then didn't pay attention to the travails of the rest of the industry to learn from them, and ended up struggling to adapt to HD a full generation after everyone else.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

That's longer than the Lord of the Rings extended version

There's only one video on how shitty the Wii U is you need to watch, and its not even 30 mins long:

Succinct and to the point.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I think their days of making such mistakes are over. The growing pains of the 5th generation & 6th generations aside, Wii U was their only system to struggle solely due to bad marketing, design, and support. People were confused by what it was, nobody liked the GamePad gimmick (which didn't work out well), and the support was abysmal by Nintendo standards (and a lot of what they did support it with was bad).

It didn't help that its titles were pretty much just up-scaled Wii/3DS games. New Super Mario Bros U was the 4th installment in a year where we got a 3rd. Smash was the same, hell, it was arguably better, on 3DS. Mario Kart 8 just kind of continued 7's gimmick. 3D World was just 3D Land with multiplayer. Paper Mario was Sticker Star but slightly better. Then we had a ton of U titles make it to 3DS from Hyrule Warriors, to Woolly World, to even Mario Maker.

3DS was just Wii U but better in many cases. There are very few titles U can really call its own, most of which were not that great. At best, the system had Splatoon and Mario Maker (till 2017) to call its own, but the rest were just repurposed 3DS templates.

sounds like that's what they're doing:

I will take my guesses.

I think we are all in agreement that 3D Mario is the most likely launch title. It has been roughly 7 years since Odyssey, and 3 since Bowser's Fury. My hope is they take the Fury template and start applying it to something as wild as Odyssey.

Fire Emblem and Kirby traditionally have quick turn arounds, and we know Engage was done way before it was released. Unless FE has a remake to end of Switch, these two are easy Switch 2 shoe-ins.

Metroid Prime 4 is an iffy one, though I think it is time.

Splatoon is a must due to it being so online heavy. They will want to get in early to scrape up a large player base, meaning AC will have to wait.

Mario Kart is likely going to be there, otherwise I could weirdly see ARMS coming back. It is the same team, so they may take the Booster Pass as a nice exit for a bit.

Smash and Zelda will be no shows till 1-2 years in. Zelda will likely be a new open-world, please water diving. As for Smash, God help Sakurai as I doubt he can pull off Ultimate again. Would also throw Hotel Dusk remake in to the 1-2 years due to Another Code seemingly doing well.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Fwiw, I was reading Famiboards the other day and between the requests for HST pills and posts about being a shut-in there was a great discussion about who made BF. Consensus seems to be that it was the remains of an abandoned NST project that they scaled down and turned into a free add-on to SMB3DW. So I guess what I'm getting at is that they probably can't take too many cues from it because it was other peoples' work that came out deep into development.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Fire Emblem and Kirby traditionally have quick turn arounds, and we know Engage was done way before it was released. Unless FE has a remake to end of Switch, these two are easy Switch 2 shoe-ins.

Engage was developed by Intelligent Systems starting around 2015 after FE Fates was done. Not all of this was full development but it was probably in development hell for a longer time than you'd think -- this was the first full-fat console game they had made in a long time.

FE Three Houses started development around the same time but was overwhelmingly a Koei Tecmo game. Cool thing about KT is they are very good about sticking development schedules.

Considering that and the fact that Three Houses performed a lot better I would expect a Koei Tecmo developed FE game near launch.

Speaking of Koei Tecmo, while a new Zelda game probably isn't happening any time soon why not a Hyrule Warriors title?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Considering that and the fact that Three Houses performed a lot better I would expect a Koei Tecmo developed FE game near launch.

My hope is that they follow the style of 3H again. Jumping into Engage sucked as the whole tone and characters were a massive downgrade. I think gameplay was better, but you can tell Engage was from a previous era and it reflected in the sales. It is crazy to think that a cast of original characters managed to outperform the game that is basically Heroes console addition.

Speaking of Koei Tecmo, while a new Zelda game probably isn't happening any time soon why not a Hyrule Warriors title?

They made one in 2021 and then FE Three Hopes in 2022. Zelda exhausted itself by going through every title in the original + rereleases, then taking on BOTW. All they have now is TOTK, which doesn't exactly have a stellar new cast to utilize.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Engage was developed by Intelligent Systems starting around 2015 after FE Fates was done. Not all of this was full development but it was probably in development hell for a longer time than you'd think -- this was the first full-fat console game they had made in a long time.

FE Three Houses started development around the same time but was overwhelmingly a Koei Tecmo game. Cool thing about KT is they are very good about sticking development schedules.

Considering that and the fact that Three Houses performed a lot better I would expect a Koei Tecmo developed FE game near launch.

Speaking of Koei Tecmo, while a new Zelda game probably isn't happening any time soon why not a Hyrule Warriors title?

There's speculation that Engage was supposed to be part of Nintendo's third wave of mobile titles (which they never ended up making) based on the game's engine and the fact that they had "too many" FE games in the pipe and ended up having to bank it for a year to escape Fates launch date.

 

[Never Scored]

Ahem, don't you mean if you count pack in games? Pretty sure Animal Crossing beats it otherwise. Though, if you did then Wii Sports would beat it.

Naw man, the best selling games besides Wii Sports, which was a free pack in, on every system Nintendo has released since Wii has been Mario Kart. Mario Kart 8 outsold everything on Switch and Wii U, Mario Kart 7 outsold everything on the 3DS, Mario Kart Wii outsold everything on Wii besides Wii Sports. It is definitely their most popular series at this point, though Pokemon makes more money across all mediums.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Naw man, the best selling games besides Wii Sports, which was a free pack in, on every system Nintendo has released since Wii has been Mario Kart. Mario Kart 8 outsold everything on Switch and Wii U, Mario Kart 7 outsold everything on the 3DS, Mario Kart Wii outsold everything on Wii besides Wii Sports. It is definitely their most popular series at this point, though Pokemon makes more money across all mediums.

Dude, MK8 has been getting pack-in deals for like 6 years now and Nintendo counts them in that figure. Its been the Black Friday/Christmas bundle since at least 2018. Meanwhile AC isn't included in the AC Switch, seemingly all of its sales are legit.

 

[Never Scored]

Meanwhile AC isn't included in the AC Switch, seemingly all of its sales are legit.

Animal Crossing absolutely comes with the Animal Crossing Switch Lite.

Neither of these are situations like Wii Sports, Super Mario Bros or Tetris where they came with the vast majority of systems sold by default. I think when most people talk about pack in title, they're talking about those types of situations. I'm pretty sure every big first party Nintendo game got bundled at some point for special editions and sales and whatnot.

Remember: Mario Kart 8 also sold an additional 8 million copies on Wii U.

Anyway, I really only specified non-pack in in the first place to specifically exclude Wii Sports as basically a glorified tech demo that was barely a step above getting a demo disc.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Since we are debating, here is the full lists of Nintendo’s most successful IP and games.

 

[Two Dollars]

Since we are debating, here is the full lists of Nintendo’s most successful IP and games.
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>remakes are counted as sales toward the originals, including situations like Pokemon where the remakes are radically different
>some games count Virtual Console sales toward the originals, others don’t
>Game Boy Tetris and exactly one of the three NES/Famicom Tetris’s are considered the same game
Wow, this list sucks.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

>remakes are counted as sales toward the originals, including situations like Pokemon where the remakes are radically different
>some games count Virtual Console sales toward the originals, others don’t
>Game Boy Tetris and exactly one of the three NES/Famicom Tetris’s are considered the same game
Wow, this list sucks.

Gotta love Wikipedia.

My biggest takeaway is, how did Ring Fit get so big? Seriously, top 20 Nintendo franchise with only one game. Duck Hunt is probably BS’d due to rereleases + pack-in, but that one certainly isn’t.

 

[Never Scored]

>remakes are counted as sales toward the originals, including situations like Pokemon where the remakes are radically different
>some games count Virtual Console sales toward the originals, others don’t
>Game Boy Tetris and exactly one of the three NES/Famicom Tetris’s are considered the same game
Wow, this list sucks.

Nintendo loved to include Super Mario Bros Deluxe and the Wii Virtual Console numbers and the GBA port numbers in Super Mario Bros. running total for a few years during the Wii days to make it look like it sold 60 million copies or some other ridiculous number.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Gotta love Wikipedia.

My biggest takeaway is, how did Ring Fit get so big? Seriously, top 20 Nintendo franchise with only one game. Duck Hunt is probably BS’d due to rereleases + pack-in, but that one certainly isn’t.

Duck Hunt never got a re-release because light guns don't work on modern tvs, but yeah, the vast majority of its sales were in the form of Mario Bros./Duck Hunt or Mario Bros./Duck Hunt/Track and Field pack-in carts, which Nintendo insists on counting as an idividual sale of both games AND an NES sale, instead of just as an NES sale.

But onto Ring Fit, well..... people like it. And beyond that, its also easily been outsold by Switch Sports, which isn't on that wikipedia list, which has quietly racked up 20+ million sales despite having zero hype and seemingly a lot of player dis-like. I dunno, there's a massive fitness game market out there that nobody seems to cater towards.

 

[NerdShamer]

Speaking of Koei Tecmo, while a new Zelda game probably isn't happening any time soon why not a Hyrule Warriors title?

Realistically speaking, it would have to be an entirely original piece. But if we're getting another Warriors game; I was half expecting for it to be based on Engage...But there's hardly anything "epic" aside from the main villain and the occasional obese dragon to fight.

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

My biggest takeaway is, how did Ring Fit get so big? Seriously, top 20 Nintendo franchise with only one game.

Because it's actually pretty good. It's a good combination of "exercises" and RPG combat and whatnot, wasn't expecting it myself when I picked it up. It has godawful balancing, which killed it for me, but it is a surprisingly nice game with a gimmick that works for once.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Smash was the same, hell, it was arguably better, on 3DS.

I've always preferred it. I wish they kept the optional outlines exclusive to 3DS for Ultimate, it makes it a lot easier to visually track things, especially on certain stages where characters blend into the backgrounds at times.

There's speculation that Engage was supposed to be part of Nintendo's third wave of mobile titles (which they never ended up making) based on the game's engine and the fact that they had "too many" FE games in the pipe and ended up having to bank it for a year to escape Fates launch date.

Makes sense. Looking at it, with the hero summoning kinda stuff, it feels vaguely gacha.