Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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WelperHelper99 said:
Actually its the Legend Class proposal, from the original competion if im reading this right. The Legend class was a success for the coast guard, and has expansion room for VLS cells and shit. This is literally as low cost and budget as it gets- because the yards know how to build the fucking things already.
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Welper, you're adorable, and I hope that the world never hurts you.
 
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Also a Picture of the Trump class. Literally has a fucking railgun, i belive some 5 inch guns, fuck loads of VLS cells, lasers- im gonna COOM.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
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Also a Picture of the Trump class. Literally has a fucking railgun, i belive some 5 inch guns, fuck loads of VLS cells, lasers- im gonna COOM.
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Believe me man, I am all for this in theory, on paper, at face value. I am all over this thread bemoaning the lack of ambition and fucking drip within US shipbuilding that we once could easily boast of. After all that has happened, I'll believe this when I fucking see it.
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
Believe me man, I am all for this in theory, on paper, at face value. I am all over this thread bemoaning the lack of ambition and fucking drip within US shipbuilding that we once could easily boast of. After all that has happened, I'll believe this when I fucking see it.
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Well in any case, the specs look highly impressive
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Literally nuclear armed, with lasers, 128 regular MK41 VLS cells, two 5' guns, and a fucking railgun. I'm guessing the Japanese are helping with the railgun tech if and when this happens
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Well in any case, the specs look highly impressive
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Literally nuclear armed, with lasers, 128 regular MK41 VLS cells, two 5' guns, and a fucking railgun. I'm guessing the Japanese are helping with the railgun tech if and when this happens
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It's certainly ambitious in concept, like a Japanese Aegis-System Equipped Vessel and a Zumwalt had a lovechild and the godfather was a Kirov-class cruiser. I'm taking this to imply that SLCM-N is going to be launched from the VLS, since three different sets of missile launchers in three different parts of the ship doesn't really jive with USN damage control standards AFAIK. The 300kW lasers would probably rate for blinding satellites, 600kW would likely be sufficient for some missile defense roles. Multiple magazines and guns for HVP would be a big deal. 'Counter UxS systems' is interestingly ambiguous. Although two regular RAM launchers and four 30mm chainguns feels like light CIWS for a ship of this size. It has ODIN laser dazzlers, but no Phalanx/SeaRAM, or at least it isn't specified. And the flight deck and hangar are fitted for V-22s. There's no knowing what these ships may look like if they ever get built, but certain aspects of it are certainly odd.
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
It's certainly ambitious in concept, like a Japanese Aegis-System Equipped Vessel and a Zumwalt had a lovechild and the godfather was a Kirov-class cruiser. I'm taking this to imply that SLCM-N is going to be launched from the VLS, since three different sets of missile launchers in three different parts of the ship doesn't really jive with USN damage control standards AFAIK. The 300kW lasers would probably rate for blinding satellites, 600kW would likely be sufficient for some missile defense roles. Multiple magazines and guns for HVP would be a big deal. 'Counter UxS systems' is interestingly ambiguous. Although two regular RAM launchers and four 30mm chainguns feels like light CIWS for a ship of this size. It has ODIN laser dazzlers, but no Phalanx/SeaRAM, or at least it isn't specified. And the flight deck and hangar are fitted for V-22s. There's no knowing what these ships may look like if they ever get built, but certain aspects of it are certainly odd.
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The 5' guns are part of the CWIS my guy, they still offer plenty of airburst flak. As for the regular RAM, they offer higher capacity, 42 missiles in the chamber to be precise. There is also ESSM, which with 128 cells, they will have in spades to hit sea skimmers and other anti ship missiles. And don't count out the lasers. They'll be shooting down targets too,

It also will have HVP projectiles for the main guns, the 5' guns and the railgun
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While primarily for bombardment, they have shown in testing to be able to hit fast targets.

As for the V-22 capability, it makes sense, the Navy and Marines both use it, and it's certainly big enough to support it. The 35,000 ton weight has that advantage.

It's interesting anyway I see it. A arsenal ship with an emphasis on guns in the modern era. And a Ticonderoga replacement for the command role
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Well in any case, the specs look highly impressive
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Personally I'm kinda underwhelmed, 128 regular VLS feels kinda anaemic given Ticos have 122 on less than 1/3 displacement. Hell even the Zumwalt once it finishes having it's guns ripped out will be rocking the same 12 CPS, along with 80 regular VLS on less than half the displacement of this thing. Obviously the guns, and especially the lasers, do give it an advantage over those other ships but even then there's question marks given the navy shitcanned it's railgun project 4 or 5 years ago.

Of course the biggest question IMO is where are these things going to actually be built and what's going to have to be shelved/delayed to do so, and how badly is it going to go given the Navy has consistently shit the bed on so many theoretically simpler projects recently.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
The 5' guns are part of the CWIS my guy, they still offer plenty of airburst flak. As for the regular RAM, they offer higher capacity, 42 missiles in the chamber to be precise. There is also ESSM, which with 128 cells, they will have in spades to hit sea skimmers and other anti ship missiles. And don't count out the lasers. They'll be shooting down targets too,

It also will have HVP projectiles for the main guns, the 5' guns and the railgun
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While primarily for bombardment, they have shown in testing to be able to hit fast targets.

As for the V-22 capability, it makes sense, the Navy and Marines both use it, and it's certainly big enough to support it. The 35,000 ton weight has that advantage.

It's interesting anyway I see it. A arsenal ship with an emphasis on guns in the modern era. And a Ticonderoga replacement for the command role
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Yes, the 5-inch guns and lasers would contribute, it is a respectable amount of RAM and VLS. I'm still loath to see large ships that don't have defenses which can operate independently from the ship's control systems. Now, I know this is part of the Zumwalt investment, in that ship control systems have come a long way now and full autonomy may be more useful on smaller ships with smaller crews and whatnot, and a ship like this will likely sit in the middle of a surface action group behind ships with such systems, but still, it's something that bothers me to see. These ships would put a lot of eggs in one basket, and unlike the BMD LPD concept, it doesn't seem like they intend to just park these in areas that need more radar and BMD coverage.

Having a large and powerful surface ship to put at the center of SAGs without effecting carrier deployments wouldn't be a bad thing to have at all. It just needs to somehow survive the giant stack of bureaucratic incompetence to actually reach the Navy in a form that isn't retarded. All the concept planning in the world won't help if the institutions actually finalizing and building the ships fucks it all up.
 
East_Clintwood said:
Personally I'm kinda underwhelmed, 128 regular VLS feels kinda anaemic given Ticos have 122 on less than 1/3 displacement. Hell even the Zumwalt once it finishes having it's guns ripped out will be rocking the same 12 CPS, along with 80 regular VLS on less than half the displacement of this thing. Obviously the guns, and especially the lasers, do give it an advantage over those other ships but even then there's question marks given the navy shitcanned it's railgun project 4 or 5 years ago.

Of course the biggest question IMO is where are these things going to actually be built and what's going to have to be shelved/delayed to do so, and how badly is it going to go given the Navy has consistently shit the bed on so many theoretically simpler projects recently.
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Honestly I see the guns and command facilities counter balancing that. It's doing more than just being a missile battery. It's a hammer, a nuclear armed one with a railgun and lasers.

VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
the 5-inch guns and lasers would contribute, it is a respectable amount of RAM and VLS. I'm still loath to see large ships that don't have defenses which can operate independently from the ship's control systems. Now, I know this is part of the Zumwalt investment, in that ship control systems have come a long way now and full autonomy may be more useful on smaller ships with smaller crews and whatnot, and a ship like this will likely sit in the middle of a surface action group behind ships with such systems, but still, it's something that bothers me to see. These ships would put a lot of eggs in one basket, and unlike the BMD LPD concept, it doesn't seem like they intend to just park these in areas that need more radar and BMD coverage.

Having a large and powerful surface ship to put at the center of SAGs without effecting carrier deployments wouldn't be a bad thing to have at all. It just needs to somehow survive the giant stack of bureaucratic incompetence to actually reach the Navy in a form that isn't retarded. All the concept planning in the world won't help if the institutions actually finalizing and building the ships fucks it all up.
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Well they plan on building 20-25. It actually is getting spread out, the vls cells. As for systems being centrallized, it's a trend. The navy wants their Zumwalt investment back.

And to address both of you, yes getting through the bureaucracy will be the hardest part. They are asking a lot of American shipbuilding, and that isn't including the new frigates they announced as well. They are asking for a modern battleship, with missiles, nukes, lasers, railguns, flight facilities, command facilities, and sensors to make any target imaginable shit itself.
 
East_Clintwood said:
Personally I'm kinda underwhelmed, 128 regular VLS feels kinda anaemic given Ticos have 122 on less than 1/3 displacement. Hell even the Zumwalt once it finishes having it's guns ripped out will be rocking the same 12 CPS, along with 80 regular VLS on less than half the displacement of this thing. Obviously the guns, and especially the lasers, do give it an advantage over those other ships but even then there's question marks given the navy shitcanned it's railgun project 4 or 5 years ago.
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Having a large magazine of the common Hyper-Velocity Projectile would go a long way, if the performance of the latest test rounds is to be trusted then they'll be useful for a lot of air/missile defense. The railgun technology I assume would be coming in from the Japanese connection, since they've supposedly had major breakthroughs in that area. I think it's important to point out that it isn't really an arsenal ship. It's a big beefy cruiser, battlecruiser if you like, but it doesn't approach the arsenal ship concept.


WelperHelper99 said:
Well they plan on building 20-25.
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They're going to start with two, then ten if the two go well. 20-25 suggests they want to eventually replace the Ticos and oldest Burkes with these, but it all hinges on those initial orders.
 
I stay in defense related threads most often but haven't been around here before. I work for a defense company in Japan and spend a lot of time perusing defense expos and so on. The new Trump class or Defiant class, whatever it comes to be known seems both dumb and cool and I don't mind seeing how it turns out. I don't expect it to. I expect it to be over budget, behind schedule and ultimately scrapped on the slipway but if it was made I would love to see if China responds with it's own or whoever wants to build another huge warship in the current age. If done right it could actually be useful to the USN for all I know. I'm thoroughly interested and hell maybe it's not too dumb. I bring up defense expos because the next one hosted in Tokyo or Chiba will hopefully have a booth for the new battleship and I would love to learn more about it. It'll be a task and half for sure to get laid down.

Related but I didn't know where to post it. Among the discourse surrounding the new announcement I was sent a video on youtube with like a bunch of rantsonas melting down about the thing like it's a bad movie from 2014. Lot's of "They're MAKING WHAT YOU STUPID FU-" and like this is KF I know not the most scholarly of places but I can't stand that kind of weird gay meltdown. It goes from "lets talk about this" to "YOU'RE STUPID DRUMPF I HATE YOU" and we get nowhere.

Anyways Merry Christmas mili-spergs.
 
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