Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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donksmanSupreme42 said:
the P-80 has a higher top speed than the 262 (594mph vs 540mph), tho i guess it was because of better engines rather than the airframe?
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That's the P-80C, very much better than the WW2 era YP-80/P-80A. Again, I'll recommend Greg's video on the 262 vs the P-80 performance.
If only more channels out there were like Gregs, man simply likes cool facts and does his best to minimize any personal biases (not perfect, but nobody is). I loved him dunking on Mark Felton's complete bullshit nuclear Lancasters video, he normally doesn't get involved in that sort of thing but damn it was good to see some absolute bullshit get called out.
Falcos_Commisar said:

The Ajax is literally a rolling PoS and the British are buying hundreds of them.

It's actually funny at this point.
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Jesus fucking christ how is this absolute disaster still going. Must be like being inside a washing machine when driving around in that pile of junk if it's making that many soldiers sick. The bong army is so fucked, gonna need to ask Zelensky to send back those Scimitars at this point lmao.
 
Hatewerfer said:
If only more channels out there were like Gregs, man simply likes cool facts and does his best to minimize any personal biases (not perfect, but nobody is). I loved him dunking on Mark Felton's complete bullshit nuclear Lancasters video, he normally doesn't get involved in that sort of thing but damn it was good to see some absolute bullshit get called out.
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That video is a gem, the other thing that I like Greg for as far as bias goes is when he just shits on people who insist on using metric for no reason. I'm all for that.
 
Because I'm not nearly done beating the dead horse that is the Cancellation Class, here's Perun's video on it and the USN's inability to build a clean sheet surface combatant in general over the last 30 years.
I was surprised he didn't bring up either of Australia's new frigate classes when talking about possibility of adopting ready-made allied designs. Especially since both classes involve homework copying themselves

Hobart Class- Aussie built Spanish F100
  • 6150 ton displacement as delivered/6900 ton max load
  • Aegis equipped
  • 48 cell VLS
  • 5"/64 main gun
  • 8x Naval Strike Missiles
  • 1x R2D2 CIWS
  • 2x 25mm RWS
New FFM-Mostly Aussie built upgraded Japanese Mogami
  • 4800 ton displacement as delivered/6200 ton max load
  • Aegis equipped
  • 32 cell VLS
  • 5"/64 main gun
  • 8x Naval Strike Missiles
  • 11 cell SeaRAM CIWS
Considering Marinette Marines' current order book is 2 Cancellation Class and 3 LCS, I don't think Fincantieri would be too upset building someone else's ship design.
 
1Tonka_Truck said:
Because I'm not nearly done beating the dead horse that is the Cancellation Class, here's Perun's video on it and the USN's inability to build a clean sheet surface combatant in general over the last 30 years.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r7aWmtOhMjoI was surprised he didn't bring up either of Australia's new frigate classes when talking about possibility of adopting ready-made allied designs. Especially since both classes involve homework copying themselves

Hobart Class- Aussie built Spanish F100
  • 6150 ton displacement as delivered/6900 ton max load
  • Aegis equipped
  • 48 cell VLS
  • 5"/64 main gun
  • 8x Naval Strike Missiles
  • 1x R2D2 CIWS
  • 2x 25mm RWS
New FFM-Mostly Aussie built upgraded Japanese Mogami
  • 4800 ton displacement as delivered/6200 ton max load
  • Aegis equipped
  • 32 cell VLS
  • 5"/64 main gun
  • 8x Naval Strike Missiles
  • 11 cell SeaRAM CIWS
Considering Marinette Marines' current order book is 2 Cancellation Class and 3 LCS, I don't think Fincantieri would be too upset building someone else's ship design.
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Sub Brief also went over it.

The USN literally wanted a Burke class destroyer capabilities in a fridge sized hull....


Not sure if the Mogami class can take a hit like the USN wants but the Spanish F-100 series probably can but it's ~$1 billion and that's in the EU
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
The USN literally wanted a Burke class destroyer capabilities in a fridge sized hull....

https://youtu.be/4APAnoptQ3c?si=zJ6V8v9JUQznCAc_

Not sure if the Mogami class can take a hit like the USN wants but the Spanish F-100 series probably can but it's ~$1 billion and that's in the EU
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I'm not sold on the concept of building 5500+ ton frigates. The average unit cost for the Hobart class over 3 units was 3.03b AUD or right around a bill USD for 1/2 the VLS cells . Flight III Burkes are currently $2.2 billion. Unless building 2 F100s a year can get the unit price down under $700 million, unironically build 21 more Burke IIIs.

Just in: The Navy thinks they can clean sheet a frigate and have one built before FMG can finish the Cancellation class. Not enough rainbows in the world for that one. https://www.defenseone.com/business/2025/12/and-just-navys-frigate-program-back-sort/409993/
We will be building a frigate. It will be based on an American design. It is something we can build that we think, actually, will be done before the old Constellation.
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It's utterly insane seeing the sheer retardation being displayed by the mic in the face of the Chinese threat.

The navy in particular every last admiral involved in procurement needs to be fired.
 
74164978231 said:
It's utterly insane seeing the sheer retardation being displayed by the mic in the face of the Chinese threat.

The navy in particular every last admiral involved in procurement needs to be fired.
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Procurement has always been the source of all evil. History doesn't repeat itself, but there are clear patterns, especially when there is a lot of money involved.
 
donksmanSupreme42 said:
the he-162-A2 replaced the mk108 (used in the A-1 as well as the me-262) with a 20mm mg-151 after they realized that the mk108 was too hard to aim and it doesnt matter it can down a B-17 in 4 shots if the pilot can't hit the damn thing
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The 20mm MG-151 was a good auto canon and the German were this close to introducing the archetypal design for almost every single single barrel Western auto canon by 1945


1Tonka_Truck said:
Just in: The Navy thinks they can clean sheet a frigate and have one built before FMG can finish the Cancellation class. Not enough rainbows in the world for that one. https://www.defenseone.com/business/2025/12/and-just-navys-frigate-program-back-sort/409993/
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I pray it is so.
 
HX-2 said:
See, I feel that the Gustav and Dora were victims of overengineering in that their original purpose was never fulfilled and they didn't contribute decisively to the war effort in a way that the 88 did, while being an extreme waste of men, materials and time. Kind of like terror attacks like the Blitz, and V1 and V2 wunderwaffe.
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Every dog had it's day, once Gustav was deployed to Crimea, it managed to end the siege of Sevastopol, which had dragged on for 7 months, within 30 days. Her immense range forced the Red Navy to withdraw away from mainland defenses, leaving them easy targets for air power, and she leveled the entire ring of fortresses and magazines that may have kept Sevastopol in Soviet hands indefinitely otherwise.

I agree that air power made heavy guns of her like largely obsolete, but no aircraft in 1937, the date of her design, 1940, the invasion of France, or 1942 could come close to dropping a 16,000 pound bomb until the introduction of the Grand Slam/Tallboy bombs in 1943, which themselves were also made in extremely small numbers (99 built, 42 used). Gustav and her sisters fired hundreds of rounds in comparison.
 
The Big A said:
Every dog had it's day, once Gustav was deployed to Crimea, it managed to end the siege of Sevastopol, which had dragged on for 7 months, within 30 days. Her immense range forced the Red Navy to withdraw away from mainland defenses, leaving them easy targets for air power, and she leveled the entire ring of fortresses and magazines that may have kept Sevastopol in Soviet hands indefinitely otherwise.
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I would argue the Luftwaffe was the bigger contributor to the siege, they literally levelled the city and sank multiple ships in the harbor. Gustav definitely shortened the siege, but it dragged on long enough to divert resources from the push into the oil fields

The Big A said:
I agree that air power made heavy guns of her like largely obsolete, but no aircraft in 1937, the date of her design, 1940, the invasion of France, or 1942 could come close to dropping a 16,000 pound bomb until the introduction of the Grand Slam/Tallboy bombs in 1943, which themselves were also made in extremely small numbers (99 built, 42 used). Gustav and her sisters fired hundreds of rounds in comparison.
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Tallboy/Grand Slam had notable successes in the war that had no real impact on the actual ground campaign. Tallboys were used in sinking Tirpitz and putting the V-3 project out of commission, both of which had no real use by that point in the war. Grand Slams were used to eliminate submarine pens and to target infrastructure at a time when the battle for the Atlantic was won and U-boats were being sunk before they could attack convoys.
 
donksmanSupreme42 said:
yeah, the 151 was pretty damn good, but the mk108 was only useful against large bombers, and even then it was very hard to aim
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The 151/20 is still pretty damn good, given that the South Africans are making a modified variant even today (the Denel Vektor GA-1), which is also used by the Indonesians and Mexicans. It's a pretty good option for flexible mount thanks to the far lower recoil and weight compared to something like an Rh-202 (39kg vs 83kg according to the dubious source of wikipedia, but I could believe it). The lower velocity means long range and armor penetrating performance are inferior, but if you just need to lob 20mm HE rounds it seems to still be a great option.
Pretty decent for a WW2 20mm cannon design. Seems a better option for helicopters and ships than a .50 for engaging soft targets.
 
donksmanSupreme42 said:
sounds like it's the M2 of autocannons
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I'd say the closest one to get to that default role of being put on just about anything would be the Bofors 40mm. 1934 design, still in widespread use both as an IFV main armament and original role of air defense.

Falcos_Commisar said:
The 20mm MG-151 was a good auto canon and the German were this close to introducing the archetypal design for almost every single single barrel Western auto canon by 1945
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I do wonder if capturing ShKAS guns helped with that development, because the Soviets were experimenting with that sort of design in rifle calibers in the 1930's.
 
donksmanSupreme42 said:
sounds like it's the M2 of autocannons
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In size and weight factor yes, in commonality no.
Frankly, with the threat of naval kamikaze drones becoming more of a problem, I'd be replacing .50 cal machine guns with something similar to the Vektor GA-1 on naval and naval helicopter mounts. .50 holes might stop a naval kamikaze drone with some accurate fire, but if you don't hit a critical component (or the kamikaze has armor protection on those critical components), then you're getting a repeat of the USS Cole some time soon. A mixed belt of 20mm HE and SAPHEI blasting the hull apart on the other hand should be more effective. Also against frogmen I'd say the concussion of a 20mm HE shell is going to be significantly more effective against shallow targets than a .50 BMG that just instantly breaks up upon water impact, but that's just me guessing since underwater stuff is pretty specialized.
Of course, an organisation like the US Navy is going to look at a simple, complete, proven and cheap design for about 5 nanoseconds before instead spending 50 billion dollars on shit that doesn't work then cancelling that after way too long and sticking with good old 12.7x99mm.
 
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