Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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Falcos_Commisar said:
Correct. Once you hit ~1968 the Western world has settled into its assault rifles with an update in the late 1970s / early 1980s to get most everyone on 5.56mm.
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The 7.62 AK wasn't in short supply amongst western dealers either, because Interarms especially bought out any batches that governments had confiscated or corrupt third-world officials had sold forward for some spending money. That way, the three letter agencies could reliably supply the left arm of the socialist world to those who needed them easily.

edit: A reference picture of Samuel Cummings in the center, the honest American businessman who owns both Interarms and Cummings Investment Associates.

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The Grognard said:
The vast majority of those dictatorships already had several options. If they had money, FN offered them the FAL and HK offered them the G3. Those with slightly less money bought Sterlings or Uzis. Those without money could just buy endless crates of WW2 surplus from Interarms, Merex, or one of the many independents operating out of Britain at the time. Even then, the USA at the time wasn't exactly shy about giving Garands and M14s away to those who had a real need for them.
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Falcos_Commisar said:
As cool as this is the USA has no need for a 5.56mm Sten gun so it's DoA.

By the late 1960s the M-16A1 was around and kicking ass. If you didn't have that cash or influence you got M1 Garands and M1 Carbines or FALs, G3s, Uzis, Sterling SMGs, or 1950s milsurp like the FN-49 and it's siblings.

Side mounted mags are awkward and would be doubly so on a 5.56mm assault rifle.

If the LMR fed from the bottom it might be a winner.
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Fair enough. I guess I'm just coping about an opportunity missed for a cool cheap bullet hose to replace the Sten for non-state actors like the LMR was intended to be. I suppose a gun explicitly made for insurgents and other unsavory types would look pretty bad being delivered directly from Uncle Sam, rather than paying a bit more to route existing weapons from other nations in a semi-deniable fashion.
 
Hatewerfer said:
Fair enough. I guess I'm just coping about an opportunity missed for a cool cheap bullet hose to replace the Sten for non-state actors like the LMR was intended to be. I suppose a gun explicitly made for insurgents and other unsavory types would look pretty bad being delivered directly from Uncle Sam, rather than paying a bit more to route existing weapons from other nations in a semi-deniable fashion.
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The other thing to keep in mind is that the 50s and 60s saw a glut of European weapons go onto the grey and black markets as well due to the collapse of the European empires. British and French guns in particular began to flood in from third world countries that had recently been given or fought for their independence and with all the various ongoing revolutions and brush wars in those decades there were no shortage of buyers all the way through to the nineties.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
The other thing to keep in mind is that the 50s and 60s saw a glut of European weapons go onto the grey and black markets as well due to the collapse of the European empires. British and French guns in particular began to flood in from third world countries that had recently been given or fought for their independence and with all the various ongoing revolutions and brush wars in those decades there were no shortage of buyers all the way through to the nineties.
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It also helped that places like Egypt, India, and Yugoslavia had inherited the manufacturing capacity to make all these world-war calibers in large quantities to those who still had a demand for .303 British and 8mm Mauser.
 
While this site has now essentially gone turbo pay wall, I used to read it quite a bit.

Take a look see at the archive and the live site regarding Tejas



They started writing about it in 2006 with the last update being from April 2022.... 50 PAGES and the jet isn't finished yet.

They also had a hilarious entry about the Indian military SPH and towed howitzer competition. By hilarious I mean sanity breaking with the amount of stupidity the Indian military procurement process entails

Enjoy: https://www.defenseindustrydaily.co...or-2b-india-howitzer-order-may-end-soon-0805/

Note that the archive is 12 years out of date here (although very little has changed beyond a M777 buy and a K9 SPH buy: https://archive.is/lTVp
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
While this site has now essentially gone turbo pay wall, I used to read it quite a bit.

Take a look see at the archive and the live site regarding Tejas



They started writing about it in 2006 with the last update being from April 2022.... 50 PAGES and the jet isn't finished yet.

They also had a hilarious entry about the Indian military SPH and towed howitzer competition. By hilarious I mean sanity breaking with the amount of stupidity the Indian military procurement process entails

Enjoy: https://www.defenseindustrydaily.co...or-2b-india-howitzer-order-may-end-soon-0805/

Note that the archive is 12 years out of date here (although very little has changed beyond a M777 buy and a K9 SPH buy: https://archive.is/lTVp
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Even with the absolute disaster of western procurement, the Indians truly take the cake for utter incompetence at domestic development and production. Have they had a single program go right, ever?
Sooty Soot said:
I have an autistic interest in self propelled artillery, mainly the Msta-S, but I find jet multiroles to be cool too.
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Self propelled artillery is based because it takes so many forms. From the modern advanced autoloading 155/152mm SPH to helicopter rocket pods bolted to Toyotas. Alfred Becker was a particular fan, his converted tanks were pretty damn effective for what they were. Managing to make the Mk VI light into an actually effective vehicle is a decent acheivement.
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Hatewerfer said:
Even with the absolute disaster of western procurement, the Indians truly take the cake for utter incompetence at domestic development and production. Have they had a single program go right, ever?

Self propelled artillery is based because it takes so many forms. From the modern advanced autoloading 155/152mm SPH to helicopter rocket pods bolted to Toyotas. Alfred Becker was a particular fan, his converted tanks were pretty damn effective for what they were. Managing to make the Mk VI light into an actually effective vehicle is a decent acheivement.
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These look like what would happen if you asked a 5 year old to draw a tank. I love them.
 
Hatewerfer said:
name your favorite piston engine fighter of WW2.
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i like the corsair
Hatewerfer said:
Except the critical mach number was higher than the P-80, certainly helped by the swept wing. All aircraft can go fast enough to reach aerodynamic limits in a dive
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yeah, but i dont think the 262's control surfaces were hydraulicly actuated, so they'd lock-up at these speeds

dive too fast, and you won't be able to pitch back up

tbh it was also a problem with basically every other fighter back then, but jets like the 262 could reach these speeds much more easily

the swept wing wasnt because of critical mach number btw, it was to keep the CoL far enough back for the 262 to be stable


the P-80 has a higher top speed than the 262 (594mph vs 540mph), tho i guess it was because of better engines rather than the airframe?
Sexual Chocolate said:
30mm autocannon
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with such low muzzle velocity that good luck hitting a fighter with it (tho in their defense, it was for bomber hunting)

the he-162-A2 replaced the mk108 (used in the A-1 as well as the me-262) with a 20mm mg-151 after they realized that the mk108 was too hard to aim and it doesnt matter it can down a B-17 in 4 shots if the pilot can't hit the damn thing

Falcos_Commisar said:
The engines just weren't as reliable
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tbh they used concentration camp labor to build the 262, said labor would sabotage it whenwver they managed to get away with it


it being an axial-flow turbojet with 1940s material science also didnt help
HX-2 said:
SAAR! DO NOT PULL UP! DO NOT REDEEEEEM! SAAAAAAAAR!
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wasnt he upside down at the time?
 
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