Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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Phil Ken Sebben said:
The stupid thing about organic gardening is they eschew commercially made fertilizers and pesticides in favor of natural ones.
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Not true, I had a whole unit on this in a biology class. They are in fact chemicals and harmful, just "significantly less harmful" or some bullshit, but is still a pesticide and veggies need to be washed cleaned soaked in vinegar before eating.
Phil Ken Sebben said:
Even in cases where the natural and factory made ones have the same chemical structure. They're literally the same thing but they can't / won't use them because it's not 100% natural.

Organic is a joke and more of a marketing term than anything else.
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Agreed it's a marketing term. I have former family that are dairy farmers in Wisconsin, like 3 or 4 generations now. They were essentially organic, but it costs big $$ to send someone from USDA out to inspect and confirm and give u your certification or whatever, plus u gotta repay for it every year. They're making organic milk legit, but tldont see how useful it would be in practice to get the label. It affects their trucks and so much logistics that it's not worth it financially. I forget how many cows, probably around 1000 1500 maybe, I don't think it's 2k but could be by now. So that may affect it differently than if it were 500 cows.

They did do organic cheese tho at some point, I think they kept it small and only the small onsite family cheese factory portion just for some tax points or something.

(As an aside, because I know a lot about their farm financials, and how the dairy industry works, I know Never to feel sorry for farmers who say they're poor.)
 
BluntyBitch said:
I can't remember exactly but I learned that the Hindu(/Jainists?) that are very strict only eat a few certain tubers or something that are not likely to have bugs living in or on them, so they are not disrupting the insect kingdom. It also may be something that tubers can be "regrown" in water with rooting so then they don't kill the entire plant by harvesting the entire plant.

So many people claim "toxins" but that's just a fuckall word

I haven't thought about this in Years but I had to learn about it in a college course once on Hindu Lit.

I think Ghandi also changed his diet towards the end to be similar to this, or something. Maybe someone here knows what I'm talking about.

Jainists I can kiiiiinda understand, they wear masks to avoid breathing in bugs, they walk barefoot and only will walk not ride bikes or cars because it may kill animals, and they carry brooms to sweep the sidewalks of bugs before walking , so they sweep as they walk. They're Very strict for only eating like a dozen veggies or something that are mostly guaranteed to be bug free .

They're all eating disordered regardless.
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I used to have _some_ respect for Jainists, then I learned more about their batshit crazy religon.

What about the microbes? Nice that you wear a facial filter, but what about the microbes on your skin and hair?
Do they suppress their immune system? Bacteria are lifeforms, ffs.
Also,
Eating the fruit of plants without planting each seed is killing the unborn. What CRUELTY!

Their symbol is based, however. Merely b/c it triggers the fuck out of goblinas and dangerhairs.

Lainism is Love
Only she can save us
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Orange Rhymer said:
Also, Maize. Very little nutrition can be obtained from unprocessed (nixtamalizized) maize.
Uncooked cereal grains carry extremely high levels of fungal toxins.
Eat raw veggies - risk fungal exposure. Remember fungal infections are extremely dangerous. We have very few effective antifungals.
I personally know 2 backyard farmers that suffered from fungal infections due to their harvest. One permanently lost his sight, one was hospitalized with a brain lesion.

If you aren't cooking it - wash it thoroughly. Anything grain or grain-like (maize) needs to be cooked.
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That seems like an awful lot of work when you could just kill animals and consume them instead.
 
BluntyBitch said:
So many people claim "toxins" but that's just a fuckall word
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It's a weasel word that can mean anything that people want it to mean. But here's the thing, our body is designed to get rid of toxins. Every time you poop or piss you're getting rid of toxins.

But because it's such a scary word people fall for it and don't think they need to actually tell which toxins you're putting into your body.
BluntyBitch said:
Not true, I had a whole unit on this in a biology class. They are in fact chemicals and harmful, just "significantly less harmful" or some bullshit, but is still a pesticide and veggies need to be washed cleaned soaked in vinegar before eating.
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I'll admit to maybe working off of old data. Last time I looked into organic farming was... 2005. Things might have changed since then. But back then they could only use natural pesticides and fertilizers.

The Wicked Mitch said:
That seems like an awful lot of work when you could just kill animals and consume them instead.
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It is. But vegans want to make their lives miserable. It helps them feel oppressed.
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
I'll admit to maybe working off of old data. Last time I looked into organic farming was... 2005. Things might have changed since then. But back then they could only use natural pesticides and fertilizers.
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"Natural" is a very broad category, is the thing. Chrysanthemum toxin (pyrethrum) is a nerve toxin and causes all kinds of horrible skin and respiratory issues in humans when used at industrial levels. There's a lot of really horrifying stuff that can be distilled from plants.
 
Shaka Brah said:
"Natural" is a very broad category, is the thing. Chrysanthemum toxin (pyrethrum) is a nerve toxin and causes all kinds of horrible skin and respiratory issues in humans when used at industrial levels. There's a lot of really horrifying stuff that can be distilled from plants.
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Everything is natural. except, you know, the
SUPERNATURAL pesticides !
 
Orange Rhymer said:
Everything is natural. except, you know, the
SUPERNATURAL pesticides !
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I grow my plants under the light of Vril emanating from a fragment of Agartha's Black Sun. It works very well, but the beets have started wearing stahlhelms.
 
Shaka Brah said:
"Natural" is a very broad category, is the thing. Chrysanthemum toxin (pyrethrum) is a nerve toxin and causes all kinds of horrible skin and respiratory issues in humans when used at industrial levels. There's a lot of really horrifying stuff that can be distilled from plants.
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I'm aware of how natural can be used. I mean when something has listed "natural ingredients" on them that doesn't mean a thing. Arsenic is natural but I wouldn't want that in my food.

It's just some people have this idea that "natural" means "better". And in some cases they're right. And in some cases they're way out in left field.

Almost nothing that people eat today is natural in that it's found in nature. That's what the word means. Just about every vegetable and fruit that you eat has been artificially created by man through cross breeding. They are literally GMOs or Genetically Modified Organisms. So long as it's genome has changed they're no longer "natural" as they are not found in nature.

For example there are only three truly natural citrus fruits on the planet. They're the citron, the pomelo and the "true" mandarin. Every single other one has been bred by man in one way or another.

It's the same with anything labelled Organic. As stated previously it's a marketing term. Several years back on TV there used to a show by Penn & Teller called "Bullshit!" and every week they'd pick on a sacred cow of sorts and organic farming was one of them. They did a test with organic and non-organic produce and fruits and asked people which one they liked best. There was no difference in taste, texture, flavor or anything between the two. So in the end you're paying more for organic fruits and veg and you're not getting an actual benefit from it.

tl;dr: Nothing is truly natural and organic farming is bullshit.
 
AnOminous said:
Rice has arsenic in it.
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Yup. Minute Rice actually has less arsenic, b/c it already has been par-boiled.

Fun-fact - a large portion of the cost of Minute Rice is haz-mat handling. The factories generate a lot of arsenic waste.
 
I've been trying to understand these people irl for a bit now. I have one friend who is vegetarian and the other is vegan. The vegetarian did it for moral reasons or some such but never talks about it. He had tried vegan but ultimately realized he hated it and it really shit up his mood or something. The guy who is still vegan is only vegan because he lacks some protein for meat/animal products to digest properly? Never delved into that too much. He genuinely doesn't give a shit about the morality of it. Point being, the only friend I have who is doing it for morality refuses to ever push that on anyone. Aka, he still has friends. I assume the internet vegans lose irl friendships and then develop ones on the internet only?

It reminds me of any number of other communities. Elements of MGTOW, MRA, Radfems, Incels, Femcels, blacktivists (at least they still get accepted by other nigs) etc. They all seem predisposed to unnecessary confrontation. Not effective confrontation. Just confrontation.
 
norbo said:
I've been trying to understand these people irl for a bit now. I have one friend who is vegetarian and the other is vegan. The vegetarian did it for moral reasons or some such but never talks about it. He had tried vegan but ultimately realized he hated it and it really shit up his mood or something. The guy who is still vegan is only vegan because he lacks some protein for meat/animal products to digest properly? Never delved into that too much. He genuinely doesn't give a shit about the morality of it. Point being, the only friend I have who is doing it for morality refuses to ever push that on anyone. Aka, he still has friends. I assume the internet vegans lose irl friendships and then develop ones on the internet only?

It reminds me of any number of other communities. Elements of MGTOW, MRA, Radfems, Incels, Femcels, blacktivists (at least they still get accepted by other nigs) etc. They all seem predisposed to unnecessary confrontation. Not effective confrontation. Just confrontation.
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I had a colleague that had a similar issue with gluten.
She literally could not digest gluten and would become ill if she ate it.
She DESPISED the anti-gluten trend, b/c every time she went out to eat, she would get sick.

Restaurants would put 'Gluten-Free!' on fucking everything, and she would be puking 30 min. later. All lies.
She hated the attitude that waitresses would give her when she asked for a Gluten- Free menu.
"Seriously, I have a medical condition"
"Uh-huh"
"No, really, I cannot digest gluten..."
"Yeah, right. You and the 30 other patrons I served today"

Eventually, she just stopped going out at all.
 
Orange Rhymer said:
I had a colleague that had a similar issue with gluten.
She literally could not digest gluten and would become ill if she ate it.
She DESPISED the anti-gluten trend, b/c every time she went out to eat, she would get sick.

Restaurants would put 'Gluten-Free!' on fucking everything, and she would be puking 30 min. later. All lies.
She hated the attitude that waitresses would give her when she asked for a Gluten- Free menu.
"Seriously, I have a medical condition"
"Uh-huh"
"No, really, I cannot digest gluten..."
"Yeah, right. You and the 30 other patrons I served today"

Eventually, she just stopped going out at all.
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People chasing the "gluten intolerance" trend don't realize how serious Celiac's Disease is. If you can't process gluten you'd know. It causes autoimmune inflammation in the gut and severe vomiting.
 
Shaka Brah said:
People chasing the "gluten intolerance" trend don't realize how serious Celiac's Disease is. If you can't process gluten you'd know. It causes autoimmune inflammation in the gut and severe vomiting.
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It's also muddled other eating issues. My brother an actual doctor diagnosed after testing and looking his colon not celiac disease grain intolerance. He doesn't need be as careful as celiacs, tiny amounts grain aren't dangerous but he is intolerant to all of grain not just gluten. It's always fun to explain that gluten-free isn't what we asking, we need grain free and no we aren't being trendy, he just has an unusual allergy. Luckily for lack of a better word, him being visibly disabled helps that servers and such take us seriously but still tend to need some convincing that we don't get automatically dismissed as special snowflakes.
 
Shaka Brah said:
People chasing the "gluten intolerance" trend don't realize how serious Celiac's Disease is. If you can't process gluten you'd know. It causes autoimmune inflammation in the gut and severe vomiting.
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Gluten is just the current boogeyman that people get attached to because they think it's somehow bad. It's not. And unless you have an actual allergy or celiac disease you can eat gluten.

10 years ago nobody was talking gluten. Today it's all over the place. And in a couple years there'll be some other scare that will come up and the same people will claim that they need to avoid that as well.
 
Amber the Hedgehog said:
It's also muddled other eating issues. My brother an actual doctor diagnosed after testing and looking his colon not celiac disease grain intolerance. He doesn't need be as careful as celiacs, tiny amounts grain aren't dangerous but he is intolerant to all of grain not just gluten. It's always fun to explain that gluten-free isn't what we asking, we need grain free and no we aren't being trendy, he just has an unusual allergy. Luckily for lack of a better word, him being visibly disabled helps that servers and such take us seriously but still tend to need some convincing that we don't get automatically dismissed as special snowflakes.
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It's the single greatest cost to the current era where everyone seems to be trying to out "victimize" themselves to be special. People who are actually struggling or have real issues are being lumped in with those who don't. Yet can you really blame them? It's practically non-stop bullshit and at some point you just say "I cannot possibly give enough of a fuck anymore to even consider it".

I recall when I was younger and someone in the group had an allergy or some disability, restaurants and stores typically would go out of their way to accommodate people. Maybe that's just where I lived, but it seemed pretty consistent. I'm not sure you would get anywhere near that treatment.

Compare it to the trannies using bathrooms issue. Trannies were around before and they used whichever bathroom they passed for. Then the other insane people came in and made it a flashpoint. Now people give a shit because they cannot be fucked to care if it might be rude or "intolerant". It just seemed like the social pressures that existed not long ago were less in your face and more subtle while being more effective than the "I'm going to ruin your life via complaining over twitter" that is used now.
 
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