Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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Old one but Contrapoints made a snarky post about the taste of tofu. As expected vegans don’t take it well:

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Shoe posted about it:
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And drew a load of weirdoes out of the woodwork as a result:

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Today I learned that Simon Amstell, well known in the UK for hosting comedy show Never Mind the Buzzcocks, is a vegan and produced one of the most cringeworthy sounding films I've ever read a synopsis of.

(Though to his credit he does kinda predict COVID)

Set in 2067, the narrator tells how the world is a happier place, as meat eating ("carnism") is banned and veganism prevails. Young people express their disbelief on how people could have ever killed and eaten animals. Yasmine Vondenburgen, a psychotherapist, holds support sessions for former carnists to lift the guilt of carnism. In one session, Davina breaks down after naming Edam as a cheese she once ate.

The film goes back to 1944, to the establishment of The Vegan Society, and rationing of meat due to war, which ends in 1954. Fanny Cradock promotes carnism in theatre and TV. In the 1970s and 1980s, US food companies disguise meat as toys children would like to eat, using figures like Ronald McDonald to attract them. Intensive farming leads to BSE crisis and foot-and-mouth disease. From 2004, many diseases grow due to consumption of processed meats.

The film then returns to 2067, with young people using new VR technology to experience eating meat. They stop after a while, unable to process it.

Going back to 2017, the film shows how celebrity chefs like Nigella Lawson, Gordon Ramsay, Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall promote carnism instead of veganism. It shows the rise in veganism, helped by people like JME, who inspires Troye King Jones. King Jones then writes a book and makes feature films on veganism. Maude Polikoff, former erotic dancer, reveals she left the career as milk and dairy were used in a sexualised way, in spite of being unethically obtained. Vondenburgen explains how the hierarchy of the British monarchy led to humans believing they should be above animals. The UN urges people to cut down on meat, due to climate change. This is ignored, and the UK faces floods. Lindsay Graber, a victim of these, explains climate change due to meat on TV. Veganism is promoted by TV presenters, but it is ignored, and in 2021 the UK faces a Super Swine Flu, killing many. Intensive farming is banned to prevent a re-occurrence, but this hikes up costs of meat, and many people are confused over what to eat.

In 2023, this Era of Confusion is broken by a new celebrity chef Freddy Jayashankar, who re-introduces a plant based Eastern cuisine. It is revealed that King Jones and Jayashankar are in a relationship. Later, a film, Dorothy is Still Dorothy, is broadcast by the BBC featuring Dorothy, a woman with Alzheimer's who forgets that eating a chicken is normal, much to the annoyance of her son Jeff. In 2024, a musical featuring Amelie dressed as a cow is made, which exposes the horrors of the dairy industry. Albania wins the Eurovision Song Contest by a vegan song.

Meanwhile, Graham Watkins speaks out against veganism, harassing vegans on streets and in restaurants. A TV show, Mike's Meat House, mocking veganism is started, but cancelled after four episodes. Graber returns to TV to explain harsh environmental effects of beef, and suggesting a ban on it, which is not accepted by the British, leading to riots. King Jones appears for an interview on Newsnight. Shortly after that, he is murdered and cannibalised, allegedly by a member of the Great British Meat League. This sparks a revolution, with major food companies including McDonald's and KFC turning vegan, and 75% of UK at least vegetarian; yet there is a reluctance for criminalising carnism. Watkins, with other carnists, states illogical reasons defending carnism.

All such arguments are resolved by the invention of a Thought Translator, allowing animals to communicate freely with humans using the recorded voice of Joanna Lumley. The unethical practices of the egg industry are explained. In 2035, the Bill of Animal Rights is finally passed, criminalising carnism. The animals who were victims of the industry are sent to recovery centres. Coming back to 2067, the Clifton Abbatoir is now a museum to explain the horrific dairy industry of the past. The young and old apologise to each other.

The film ends with the support group successfully naming the fish they had once eaten.
 
I have a question that I can't find a straight answer to, and I've asked vegans, vegetarians, vehement non-vegans, and impartial parties. If the sort of vegans doing it because, "EATING A HAMBURGER IS LIKE EATING UR GRANDMA!!1!!1!" believe that all creatures are equal (which is actually a belief I tend to agree with; it's just that animals eat each other too), then wouldn't they apply that belief to mean that since humans are animals as well, they can't use human-derived products either, like blood transfusions or plasma?

I work in the dairy industry, in a veterinary position. I recall attending a dairy welfare conference a few years ago that took place at a meat packing facility, where we were harassed by "activists" picketing and holding signs with pictures of calves on them with captions like, "WOULD YOU EAT A TODDLER? VEAL IS CRUEL!" and, "I never saw my baby again," "DOES THEIR RAPE AND ENSLAVEMENT MEAN NOTHING?" are a few I can recall. We more or less just pointed and laughed, but a few more impassioned members of our party tried to reason with them. It didn't work. We all got coupons for a roast after the tour and a few of the beautiful assholes I went with handed them out to the picketers ("Here, it looks like you need this more than I do.")

My very first experience with the ideology was from a little girl I was friends with in 3rd grade. She had been indoctrinated pretty throughly by her family, I would guess. I vividly remember having lunch with her and offering her my gummy bears, which was met with, "Did you know they melt horses to make those?!" Other snippets I recall include, "Some people actually eat bone marrow; that's so mean!," "Did you know that veal is baby cows?," and "There's ground-up whole chickens in your sandwich. They killed them alive." I wonder what happened to her, truly, and if she ever got past whatever (literal and ideological) bullshit her parents were feeding her.

I'm sure I've had plenty more experiences with vegan-kind, but they've all stopped having any degree of meaning anymore.
 
I have a question that I can't find a straight answer to, and I've asked vegans, vegetarians, vehement non-vegans, and impartial parties. If the sort of vegans doing it because, "EATING A HAMBURGER IS LIKE EATING UR GRANDMA!!1!!1!" believe that all creatures are equal (which is actually a belief I tend to agree with; it's just that animals eat each other too), then wouldn't they apply that belief to mean that since humans are animals as well, they can't use human-derived products either, like blood transfusions or plasma?

I work in the dairy industry, in a veterinary position. I recall attending a dairy welfare conference a few years ago that took place at a meat packing facility, where we were harassed by "activists" picketing and holding signs with pictures of calves on them with captions like, "WOULD YOU EAT A TODDLER? VEAL IS CRUEL!" and, "I never saw my baby again," "DOES THEIR RAPE AND ENSLAVEMENT MEAN NOTHING?" are a few I can recall. We more or less just pointed and laughed, but a few more impassioned members of our party tried to reason with them. It didn't work. We all got coupons for a roast after the tour and a few of the beautiful assholes I went with handed them out to the picketers ("Here, it looks like you need this more than I do.")

My very first experience with the ideology was from a little girl I was friends with in 3rd grade. She had been indoctrinated pretty throughly by her family, I would guess. I vividly remember having lunch with her and offering her my gummy bears, which was met with, "Did you know they melt horses to make those?!" Other snippets I recall include, "Some people actually eat bone marrow; that's so mean!," "Did you know that veal is baby cows?," and "There's ground-up whole chickens in your sandwich. They killed them alive." I wonder what happened to her, truly, and if she ever got past whatever (literal and ideological) bullshit her parents were feeding her.

I'm sure I've had plenty more experiences with vegan-kind, but they've all stopped having any degree of meaning anymore.
Vegans typically say that non-sentient animals cannot consent to being eaten or being used for their milk, eggs, honey. However, as sentient beings, humans can consent to having their blood/plasma/organs taken and used by other people. Theoretically I suppose this could extend to cannibalism, as one human could consent to being eaten by another, but that's a legal and ethical issue that's best left as a hypothetical.
 
Vegans typically say that non-sentient animals cannot consent to being eaten or being used for their milk, eggs, honey. However, as sentient beings, humans can consent to having their blood/plasma/organs taken and used by other people. Theoretically I suppose this could extend to cannibalism, as one human could consent to being eaten by another, but that's a legal and ethical issue that's best left as a hypothetical.
Remember: animals CANNOT consent to being eaten

but they actually want people to be restrained and vaccinated.
 
More Insanity
My two theories on why vegans try to force plants on carnivorous pets is either it gives them a stronger sense if control or they truly think they can make the animal kingdom a vegan paradise or both.
 
What if you support abortion AND meat eating? Am I pure then?

Also, "But you eat chicken nuggets" should be a line used more often.
 
Daily reminder:
When you want to fatten your stock for the kill (don't care about longevity)
You feed them _GRAINS_, not meat.

Vegans don't eat meat. Vegans ARE the meat.
(also, god help that poor doggo that has to eat mussels and veggies for the rest of his short life)
 
Remember: animals CANNOT consent to being eaten

but they actually want people to be restrained and vaccinated.
Actually the militant vegans are more likely to be anti vax because they need to be at least somewhat into pseudoscience to be a militant vegan in the first place. Vegan communities are quite often hit with measles outbreaks and the like, they've been anti vax far longer than the bat that had covid was probably even alive. Both leftist and right-leaning militant vegans love their anti-science and establishment conspiracies and have huge overlap in opinions around them from a call to nature to needing to believe all science is invalid so veganism is natural (vitamin b12 is the bane of their existence).
 
Maybe it's a question that fits better for Zoosadists thread, but is there a thread that fits for the nutjobs with unhealthy love for animals in general, not just vegan cunts?
 
Actually the militant vegans are more likely to be anti vax because they need to be at least somewhat into pseudoscience to be a militant vegan in the first place. Vegan communities are quite often hit with measles outbreaks and the like, they've been anti vax far longer than the bat that had covid was probably even alive. Both leftist and right-leaning militant vegans love their anti-science and establishment conspiracies and have huge overlap in opinions around them from a call to nature to needing to believe all science is invalid so veganism is natural (vitamin b12 is the bane of their existence).
Depends on the vegan community in question. The vegans in the Seventh-day Adventist church are not largely anti-vax. SDAs believe very strongly in modern medicine and have some of the best medical schools and hospitals in the US (Walla Walla, for instance). Of course, the vegans in the church are also not what we in this thread would typically call militant, mostly being dietary vegans only, and a minority even in the church (most Adventists are vegetarian or flexatarian). AFAIK though the church is still the largest community of dietary vegans in the world, so they count. I guess.

(Obviously there are crazy outliers in every group, ymmv, etc, but I've never met a militant SDA vegan, and I've met some nuts)
 
Militant vegans will literally get mad at you complaining that vegan food tastes bad but will not try to create recipes and foods that taste good. Beyond meat has probably changed more lives than the stupid PETA ads comparing holocaust victims to animals. Oh or that one where they said milk causes autism.
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They will also get mad at you saying that the vegan diet is too expensive for most people but will never donate fresh vegetables, grains, and fruits to needy people or try to get those things cheaper for more people. B12 is something vegans need in their daily diet. Why aren't they calling for food companies to enrich their foods with it?

Why aren't they trying to get chefs to create more budget meals? Meat is actually quite expensive so why aren't they banking on that idea?

I literally just think that most vegans don't actually care about helping animals. They don't actually care about doing things that can actually help someone. They just want to feel good in their chest. So that's why they spit on country folk that feed their families for months by killing two to three deer.

Are these people aware that even herbivores of the same species kill each other?
To be quite honest, I don't think they actually have seen animals in the wild or understood what animals do. Deer routinely will eat other animals. There's been cases where they'll eat baby chicks out of their nests. Horses do it too.

Edit: Another example of this coming up. The NYC mayor is vegan. He had the most brilliant idea of making NYC schools go vegan on fridays. Easy, right? Just a simple switch, right?
This is what they're serving the children.
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Children can't survive on this. The US school food sucks, why are you making it worse without adding anything into the system? You're literally cutting a leg off a barely functioning chair and asking someone to sit in it.
 
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