i've had a hankering for a pistol caliber carbine and can't decide on building a 9MM AR15 or copping a skorpion evo. anyone have experiences with either of the two?
I don't think it rely takes much of a gun to stop a man as long as the bullet goes deep enough. A lot of modern .380 hollowpoints and most 9X18 will get better than 12" in an FBI test.
I'll tell you a secret, my EDC is a .25ACP Colt vest pocket with FMJ and I think it's plenty of gun. I still carry a second gun a lot but it's superduper easy to always have in my pocket and the ammo I use goes 12" in a gel test even with heavy clothing.
As far as 9mm goes I'm a fan of 147gr rangers, but any modern 147gr HP should be fine.
Anybody ever shot a Sauer M30 Luftwaffe drilling (or any other drilling for that matter)? I'm getting my grandfather's when he dies, and he hasn't used it for years (though it's still in great condition). I'll probably take it out occasionally, but I've only ever fired normal shotguns and pistols; does the rifle barrel drastically change it in any way?
i've had a hankering for a pistol caliber carbine and can't decide on building a 9MM AR15 or copping a skorpion evo. anyone have experiences with either of the two?
i've built probably a hundred 9mm AR-15's of varying kinds as well as worked on thousands of H&K variations for the same, along with UZI's, Sten's, Reising's, and more. haven't tried the EVO, but i hear very good things, and handling one personally was a pleasure - very comfortable in the hands. depending on what you want out of your carbine, your options are very wide out there in the wild, from cheap used Hi Point Carbines (which are quite decent firearms) to boutique transferable Colt DOE SMG's and everything in between. have you settled on a budget? a 9mm AR-15 variation would be around $1k for a quality example from a factory, possibly less from a local dealer or perhaps gently used. plenty of accessories out there for it as well.
I don't think it rely takes much of a gun to stop a man as long as the bullet goes deep enough. A lot of modern .380 hollowpoints and most 9X18 will get better than 12" in an FBI test.
I'll tell you a secret, my EDC is a .25ACP Colt vest pocket with FMJ and I think it's plenty of gun. I still carry a second gun a lot but it's superduper easy to always have in my pocket and the ammo I use goes 12" in a gel test even with heavy clothing.
As far as 9mm goes I'm a fan of 147gr rangers, but any modern 147gr HP should be fine.
good defensive loads in .380 / 9x17mm / 9mm Kurz have the penetration for most people... who aren't wearing heavy clothing, and aren't at an oblique angle. in some ways they penetrate TOO well because of their light weight for the velocity, as they seem to rarely expand properly in flesh. i pocket carried a Walther PPK/s for years prior to switching it out for an H&K P7 as the .380 fragmented with even moderate resistance and punched little holes but didn't expand hardly at all (being clogged with debris in the HP channel) in a burglar, and didn't actually stop him. took a knife and punching to do that. could have been the meth though. modern SXT i've heard is very good in .380 these days though, so my information is likely a little dated.
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Anybody ever shot a Sauer M30 Luftwaffe drilling (or any other drilling for that matter)? I'm getting my grandfather's when he dies, and he hasn't used it for years (though it's still in great condition). I'll probably take it out occasionally, but I've only ever fired normal shotguns and pistols; does the rifle barrel drastically change it in any way?
it will shoot low, so other than expecting that it, changes little. drilling rifles (i have a 1941 H Hensel / Suhl combination gun which i believe is similar to yours in operation) are called combination rifles more commonly in the US. they are often not meant for full rifle loads, but rather specialty hunting cartridges made just for it using a common chambering so you can make your own cartridges easily. it wasn't until the 1930's that standardized chambers for war surplus started appearing. be sure to check headspace as well, especially at the knuckle since it doesn't take many standard cartridges to stretch the metal/wood a bit (you should not be able to close on a slip of paper (0.010") between the breechface and the chamber, nor should there be any play between the receiver's knuckle and the hinge pin enough to feel any movement in any direction when closed).
i would also recommend using a non-petroleum, non-silicon/beeswax/synthetic wax for preserving the finish rather than any modern solvents/oils on the wood. carnauba gun wax is excellent at preserving the finish and condition of old guns with beautiful wood without any chemicals that may discolor or dull (or strip!) the old finish. many old finishes were shellac or high polish varnish made from boiled tung oil and pine sap applied in many thin layers that can be easily damaged with modern solvents.
in other news, i'm on an (appearantly) long waiting list for some Vltor parts. need to finish a post-sample by next week and everyone is sold out everywhere for pretty much everything. highly annoying when everything else is in place. likewise i've tried 7 local stores for surgical tubing for a bedding job on a 700 BDL, and no one has it. does no one make slingshots or little wooden race cars anymore?
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I fully agree honestly, while smaller loads can still kill you dead, you should carry what you feel best with. Hence >10mm master race. I really clearly didn't mind carrying smaller as I was but now I have a "real" 9 vs the 9x18 that's not only smaller it's better all around, the mak will be a range toy and back up.
p7's are wonderful guns my dad collects them his carry is a former NJ state trooper gun. That's quite the pistol for a duty weapon. They got lucky! (all the state issued were M8s) I get to borrow them so I'm in no rush to buy my own, but I want one still.
I agree with @Club Sandwich with what you should do is budget related as well as your goals. If you want to play with it mall ninja out AR is way to go. PCCs are fun as all get out, I built a pps43 with a 16" barrell x25 with tracers looks like star wars lasers at night, highly suggest it for the lulz.
I'm starting to think of getting a Turkish 1938 or 1903 Mauser in 8mm Mauser, so I'm keeping an eye out for any good deals. I've done a little research, and they look to be in roughly the same price range as Mosins (~250-300 USD depending on condition), so still very much affordable, plus I've heard they are actually of pretty good manufacturing quality, originally built to German production standards and being superficially identical to a Gewehr 98 except for the tangent sight (I don't like the look of the "lange vizier" anyway, so that is actually a plus). Judging from what's posted online, people seem to be very satisfied with their accuracy and reliability as shooter's rifles, even with mismatched serials and some wear and tear.
If I did get a Turkish Mauser, it would be my first full length battle rifle though. Closest thing to a proper long rifle I've regularly shot before is my father's lever-action .44 Marlin, so I hope it won't be too much of a leap for me. The Mauser action looks straightforward enough and as the proto-Kalashnikovs of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, I gather they were supposed to be fairly conscript/idiot-proof. Maybe not Mosin-tier idiot-proof, but hopefully that is balanced out by being a more ergonomic design for users.
i've had a hankering for a pistol caliber carbine and can't decide on building a 9MM AR15 or copping a skorpion evo. anyone have experiences with either of the two?
I'm in the same boat as you, except I don't want a 9mm AR. There are tons of those out there. I either want the SIG MPX or Kriss Vector. I'm leaning towards the Vector because they're a little more affordable and utilize GLOCK magazines, but I love the way the MPX is built and how it feels. I also really like the modularity of the MPX and that I can change calibers on it.
the MPX is a comfortable and seemingly quality made firearm. but be careful about speculatively buying features. SIG hasn't really fulfilled order for caliber conversion kits for them other than some .300 AAC gen 2's yet... and the gen 1 MPX have no caliber change ability at all - you will need to replace the upper completely. just saying to make sure you know what you're buying.
@Rokko linked me to a German firearm site, and they had a 9mm bolt action rifle.
I need this in my life, I may buy a lot of whiskey and start building one. I think I want it more than a useful semi PCC. @Club Sandwich is right while the MPX looks cool and I'm a bit of a Sig fan (ironically both sig's I've bought I sold promptly and neither were because I was hard up.) I'm a bit let down with how they almost baited and switched with a feature that really made me draw to that to anything else on the market.
I will never bash or debate Sig's Quality. In fact my P220 was used to double triple check some holesters since I bought the 10mm elite early and got a first relase. Great gun but it was not something I wanted to carry due to being too nice and giving up rounds (bassomatic is an idiot so that's a 3rd bonus). Before I was in reloading I got the wild cat bite (again proof I'm an idiot and bought a P229DAK in 357 sig) She was a great pistol, I'd snag one if I had cash laying around.
Edit will income later when I get around to opening my safe, but why does the Walther feel so comfy? It's got exact same but shorter egro than a cz75.
the MPX is a comfortable and seemingly quality made firearm. but be careful about speculatively buying features. SIG hasn't really fulfilled order for caliber conversion kits for them other than some .300 AAC gen 2's yet... and the gen 1 MPX have no caliber change ability at all - you will need to replace the upper completely. just saying to make sure you know what you're buying.
Oh, the caliber conversion isn't a deciding factor for me. It'll be a range toy for me, so 9mm is all I need and want. I just think it's cool that they have designed it to be a multi-caliber platform from the off.
I'm in the same boat as you, except I don't want a 9mm AR. There are tons of those out there. I either want the SIG MPX or Kriss Vector. I'm leaning towards the Vector because they're a little more affordable and utilize GLOCK magazines, but I love the way the MPX is built and how it feels. I also really like the modularity of the MPX and that I can change calibers on it.
i went to a gun store near me to check out the PCC's they had, but i ended up checking out some mosins that were finally in stock. they had hex receivers, matching bayonets, and i wanted to get one since i was 16 so i'm just going with one of them
the skorpion evos they had a really nice, though. the carbine model seemed very well built. they also had some SUB2K's which i can't tell if i like or not.
it's an old task to convert war surplus .303 rifles into .45 ACP carbines (14-16" barrels) after they've been shot out, or these days the barrel replaced. you get a quality bolt action rifle with a 1911 magazine system, and a detachable stock. look up the DeLisle Carbine for reference. a 9x19mm variation would be easy enough to do and it's a quiet and accurate thing to haul around a mountain, and used to be cheap enough to build (or buy) for under $300 since there was so many SMLE rifles floating around.
i went to a gun store near me to check out the PCC's they had, but i ended up checking out some mosins that were finally in stock. they had hex receivers, matching bayonets, and i wanted to get one since i was 16 so i'm just going with one of them
the skorpion evos they had a really nice, though. the carbine model seemed very well built. they also had some SUB2K's which i can't tell if i like or not.
the old mosin-nagant rifle surplus we're starting to see the end of, so prices will start climbing, and they have been for a couple years now. powerful, cheap surplus ammo, and a good surplus rifle that can do anything a .30 would need to do. i do like the Skorpion EVO, and like the MPX, the build quality is very nice. that angular look gives it a sci-fi edge i think... but compared to a say, a Vektor CR-21 rifle, you can be curvy and sci-fi looking too. the Whitney Wolverine falls into that retro sci-fi look, especially in stainless.
as for the Kel-Tec Sub 2000's, they are quality firearms with a few quirks. if you're going to buy one i would strongly suggest a gen 2 or later with the non-fiber optic front sight. they are reinforced a bit better, they fold easier, and the front sight doesn't fall out as much.
I ordered the SAGE EBR chassis for my M14 yesterday. Now I get to wait about four to six weeks for SAGE to build the damn thing and ship it to me. Literally no one and any in stock. I did ask for them to take a pre-payment on it instead of waiting to charge my card when it's ready to ship. That way it's all paid for, I'm not tempted to spend the money on other things, and I may get it shipped to me a little early. Next week I'll be ordering the trigger group for it and the week after I get to order the flash suppressor, front sight mount/gas cylinder lock, and the tritium front sight.
Well, by this time next week I should have my Mk14 put together. I received the trigger group this week from LRB (all refurbished USGI parts made by Harrington and Richardson) and got an email today stating that my SAGE EBR chassis has shipped. Aside from CeraKoting the SAGE chassis, the Surefire SOCOM flash suppressor, optics, accessories, and a few more magazines, my Mk14 will be complete. This is without a doubt the most expensive firearm I've ever owned, and I don't even have glass on it yet. I'm very excited.
Starting next month I will be saving for my next firearm; an STI Perfect Ten. Basically it's a long slide version of STI's high end, double-stack 1911 chambered in 10mm Auto. With the longest extended magazines it has a capacity of 25 rounds.
Hey guys, I'm totally a gun newbie, and was wondering if I could ask a question.
I picked up a 1973 Ruger Single Six new-model, and took it to a range, put 100 rounds of CCI Mini-mag through it. No issues there, but afterwards the cylinder looked like this;
Now, I tried looking it up, and there's something called Cylinder Burn...is that all this is? seems like Stainless Steel models get the worst of that, and this almost looks like it blasted the bluing off to my completely untrained eye. Honestly, i'm worried about every little thing, since I want to take care of it as much as possible
Lockup is perfect, and the cylinder is factory matched. When I bought it, it may not have had a round through it, so of course I ruined the "collectors value" out of the gate haha.
I will say, shooting a single-action is beyond fun, though, I love the thing...even if I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
Hey guys, I'm totally a gun newbie, and was wondering if I could ask a question.
I picked up a 1973 Ruger Single Six new-model, and took it to a range, put 100 rounds of CCI Mini-mag through it. No issues there, but afterwards the cylinder looked like this; View attachment 135770
Now, I tried looking it up, and there's something called Cylinder Burn...is that all this is? seems like Stainless Steel models get the worst of that, and this almost looks like it blasted the bluing off to my completely untrained eye. Honestly, i'm worried about every little thing, since I want to take care of it as much as possible
Lockup is perfect, and the cylinder is factory matched. When I bought it, it may not have had a round through it, so of course I ruined the "collectors value" out of the gate haha.
I will say, shooting a single-action is beyond fun, though, I love the thing...even if I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
Can't tell from just a picture but if you only put 100 rounds through it then the bluing definitely shouldn't be coming off. Rugers have a lifetime warranty though, so if they did a shitty bluing job on your cylinder they'll fix it for you if you want. If you bought it used, then consider that the seller might have re-blued the entire front cylinder before selling it to you. Bluing coming off on the front of the cylinder is common, but not as fast as 100 rounds.
Can't tell from just a picture but if you only put 100 rounds through it then the bluing definitely shouldn't be coming off. Rugers have a lifetime warranty though, so if they did a shitty bluing job on your cylinder they'll fix it for you if you want. If you bought it used, then consider that the seller might have re-blued the entire front cylinder before selling it to you. Bluing coming off on the front of the cylinder is common, but not as fast as 100 rounds.
Ah, that sounds like it makes sense. I guess it could have had some blue touch-up, especially since I bought it online (though from a brick-and-mortar store). I don't know, the only thing missing was the manual, it had the original box and mag cylinder, even the old wax/oil paper. That's really the big problem buying used, though, isn't it? can't be 100% sure.
I guess what throws me off is the circles are a bit shiny and silver-ish colored, I figured it would be darker if it's just leftover propellant. I have an uncle who's a gunsmith, so i'll pester him and see what he thinks, since it's awfully difficult to get a good picture of the issue. If that fails i'll ask Ruger, pretty cool they honor the warranty even with used guns.
Lead is shiny until it's exposed to oxygen for a while. It could be leading. Try scraping it off with your fingernail. If it comes off and it's blued underneath, have a gunsmith look at why that's happening. Something could be slightly out of spec. It doesn't take much for a revolver to throw crap all over the place.
EDIT: I really have no idea though. I'm not even close to being a gunsmith. You should probably ask one. Or ask the guys who operate whatever range you go to. They'll probably have a much better idea. Plus, they can take a first-hand look at it. Or shit, email that picture to Ruger and ask them. They'll definitely have an idea.
Lead is shiny until it's exposed to oxygen for a while. It could be leading. Try scraping it off with your fingernail. If it comes off and it's blued underneath, have a gunsmith look at why that's happening. Something could be slightly out of spec. It doesn't take much for a revolver to throw crap all over the place.
Hm, didn't seem to help too much. I'll send a pic to my uncle, see if he's seen something like this before. Didn't know that about lead though!
To distract from my idiocy and get back to the main topic, here's a family photo;
Top is a Daisy Avanti 499, just a BB gun, but a pretty nice one, as far as they go.
Middle is a CZ 455 american with a Nikon Prostaff scope
And the bottom is the aforementioned Ruger Single six that's giving me grief.
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. I'll send a pic to my uncle, see if he's seen something like this before. Didn't know that about lead though!