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Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I've attended several CCW classes (reciprocity issues = extra licenses) and the best instructor I ever had explained that to use deadly force the "Threat Triangle" should be met. That is: 1. Means to harm you. 2. Intent to harm you. 3. Opportunity to harm you.

If all three legs of the triangle are met? Then blast away. If something is missing? Monitor and assess but don't put yourself open to prison in the event it could have boiled over.

In practice:
  • Somebody who says he wants to kill you and is a brick shit house/has a knife/may have a gun but is behind a fence/some barrier and not on your property well don't shoot him. Now if he pulls a gun fire away. (Opportunity is missing)
  • Somebody has a knife out (lets say a schizo) and is in relative proximity to you but is staring at the sun screaming at it. Don't shoot unless he makes a move towards you . (No intent).
  • Some asshole doesn't like your driving and chases you down the highway. You come to a light and he is screaming how he will fuck you up but isn't showing weapons and you're in your locked car. Don't shoot unless he escalates trying to get in or pulls a weapon. (Means is missing)
He taught us the textbook broad legal definition for the state (as required for the class) which was vague enough that Boogie killing Frank Hassle would have been a toss up in court, but gave us the threat triad as an suggested matrix to consider.

In the class he threw out the scenario where you wake up to a noise and come down to some nigger (my vocabulary not his) exiting your backdoor with your tv in hand. He asked the class if they would shoot the guy. A lot of first time gun owners were like "hell yeah kick some tires and lit some fires" then he asked them ok the guy is leaving why shoot him in the back? Lot of hemming and hawing to that.

Then he asked "well maybe you don't shoot him, but do you follow him outside to tell him to stop?". Again the yahoos were like yes. He told them "congratulations you just left your door to get brained by a guy waiting outside with a bat you didn't see. Say goodbye to your TV, now your gun and possibly your life".

He ended by advising if Tyrone walked out with the TV then turned around and walked back in then light his ass up bc you don't know what he's capable of but you now know he has means, intent, and opportunity.

TLDR to quote Outkast "Don't pull that thang out, unless you came to bang"
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Sounds like your instructor was probably law enforcement. That's essentially what gets taught over application of force.
 
Are laser boresights that people stick in the chamber useful for zeroing in the, red dot at home?

Also is using the kind of ammo used for killing bears any good in a self defense scenario with a suburb as I bought some Winchester 223 Super X ammo?

Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I've attended several CCW classes (reciprocity issues = extra licenses) and the best instructor I ever had explained that to use deadly force the "Threat Triangle" should be met. That is: 1. Means to harm you. 2. Intent to harm you. 3. Opportunity to harm you.

If all three legs of the triangle are met? Then blast away. If something is missing? Monitor and assess but don't put yourself open to prison in the event it could have boiled over.

In practice:
  • Somebody who says he wants to kill you and is a brick shit house/has a knife/may have a gun but is behind a fence/some barrier and not on your property well don't shoot him. Now if he pulls a gun fire away. (Opportunity is missing)
  • Somebody has a knife out (lets say a schizo) and is in relative proximity to you but is staring at the sun screaming at it. Don't shoot unless he makes a move towards you . (No intent).
  • Some asshole doesn't like your driving and chases you down the highway. You come to a light and he is screaming how he will fuck you up but isn't showing weapons and you're in your locked car. Don't shoot unless he escalates trying to get in or pulls a weapon. (Means is missing)
He taught us the textbook broad legal definition for the state (as required for the class) which was vague enough that Boogie killing Frank Hassle would have been a toss up in court, but gave us the threat triad as an suggested matrix to consider.

In the class he threw out the scenario where you wake up to a noise and come down to some nigger (my vocabulary not his) exiting your backdoor with your tv in hand. He asked the class if they would shoot the guy. A lot of first time gun owners were like "hell yeah kick some tires and lit some fires" then he asked them ok the guy is leaving why shoot him in the back? Lot of hemming and hawing to that.

Then he asked "well maybe you don't shoot him, but do you follow him outside to tell him to stop?". Again the yahoos were like yes. He told them "congratulations you just left your door to get brained by a guy waiting outside with a bat you didn't see. Say goodbye to your TV, now your gun and possibly your life".

He ended by advising if Tyrone walked out with the TV then turned around and walked back in then light his ass up bc you don't know what he's capable of but you now know he has means, intent, and opportunity.

TLDR to quote Outkast "Don't pull that thang out, unless you came to bang"
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In the first scenario, so shooting him in the back as he is about to leave the house is no good?
 
MrJokerRager said:
Are laser boresights that people stick in the chamber useful for zeroing in the, red dot at home?
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LASER bore sights are useful to align the bore and a scope's crosshair on paper at a known distance to help sighting in, where your first few shots (point of aim) are on paper near enough to point of impact that adjustment is trivial. it may be possible to do this with a red dot, but generally a red dot is sighted at a specific distance and set at that distance, not using a bore sight. your red dot should have instructions regarding sighting it in.
MrJokerRager said:
Also is using the kind of ammo used for killing bears any good in a self defense scenario with a suburb as I bought some Winchester 223 Super X ammo?
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most ammunition works reasonably well against people, hunting ammunition included, although it will likely have much higher penetration than intended due to being designed (typically) for use in rifles against game with thicker hide. Super X is a pointed soft point (PSP) semi-jacketed bullet and is unlikely to perform as originally designed, but might still be lethal.
MrJokerRager said:
In the first scenario, so shooting him in the back as he is about to leave the house is no good?
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depends on jurisdiction, consult your local attourney for insight and advice. generally, if someone is moving away from you, they are not a threat in that specific moment, and you would have to be confident in your ability to defend your decision in court should it come under scrutiny.
 
MrJokerRager said:
In the first scenario, so shooting him in the back as he is about to leave the house is no good?
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Holes going in the back are hard to defend in court.
Club Sandwich said:
Super X is a pointed soft point (PSP) semi-jacketed bullet and is unlikely to perform as originally designed, but might still be lethal.
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A hunk of metal entering your body at 2200 miles per hour might be lethal? Where is it hitting, the toe?
 
You can kill a bear with a .22LR revolver but I wouldn’t recommend it. Also in general shooting people in the back is really really hard to defend in a court unless you have evidence they were moving towards a weapon.
 
White Devil said:
Yeah well my dad owns a H&K CAWS.
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I've shot both in Fallout 2 and I can promise you you're better off with an FN FAL or the Bozar. Shotguns just can't cut it against your typical power armored Californian.

Particle Bored said:
Only bullpup I want is a KSG.
fight me bro
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I've shot one, they can be a lot of fun, but running slugs will make your shoulder hate you more than normal shotguns would.
 
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Has anyone else fucked around with the CMMG Bravo drop-in 22lr conversion kit for the AR-15? It replaces your BCG but is a little more complicated than just being a BCG itself, it is a blowback operated system in itself with it's own chamber (which has the dimensions of a.223 round as you can see in the picture.) It relies on spring tension also so there's more going on than just the AR gas system. Anyway it's more complicated than that but is explained here.

Anyway people like them. I picked one up for $200 with a couple of mags from a local store. I didn't expect much, but had an extremely bad experience with it. It didn't like several varieties of .22 that I tried running through it, and malfunctioned in a curious way: it would fire a round, eject the cartridge, feed the next cartridge, fail to fire on the next round. I gather that this is an issue with the spring not resetting properly. I would have to rack the charging handle, ejecting a live round in the process, to fire the next round, repeat ad infinitum. I tried a couple of varieties of ammo with no success, then CCI Minimags which it seemed to like fine (cycling properly) so I tried some other high velocity stuff without success.

Then came near disaster. Using Aguila Super Extra, got an unexpectedly loud noise, a lot of smoke, a squib round with one chambered behind it. Decided that was a sign to stop fucking around with the thing. I know other people like them so maybe I got a lemon (my AR is fine) with a bad spring. I hadn't planned to do too much with it as it might wind up fouling my barrel in the long run so maybe I'll just say fuck it or maybe I'll call the company and complain. I dunno.

Anyone else have experiences good or bad with these little devices?
 
Spooky Bones said:
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Has anyone else fucked around with the CMMG Bravo drop-in 22lr conversion kit for the AR-15? It replaces your BCG but is a little more complicated than just being a BCG itself, it is a blowback operated system in itself with it's own chamber (which has the dimensions of a.223 round as you can see in the picture.) It relies on spring tension also so there's more going on than just the AR gas system. Anyway it's more complicated than that but is explained here.

Anyway people like them. I picked one up for $200 with a couple of mags from a local store. I didn't expect much, but had an extremely bad experience with it. It didn't like several varieties of .22 that I tried running through it, and malfunctioned in a curious way: it would fire a round, eject the cartridge, feed the next cartridge, fail to fire on the next round. I gather that this is an issue with the spring not resetting properly. I would have to rack the charging handle, ejecting a live round in the process, to fire the next round, repeat ad infinitum. I tried a couple of varieties of ammo with no success, then CCI Minimags which it seemed to like fine (cycling properly) so I tried some other high velocity stuff without success.

Then came near disaster. Using Aguila Super Extra, got an unexpectedly loud noise, a lot of smoke, a squib round with one chambered behind it. Decided that was a sign to stop fucking around with the thing. I know other people like them so maybe I got a lemon (my AR is fine) with a bad spring. I hadn't planned to do too much with it as it might wind up fouling my barrel in the long run so maybe I'll just say fuck it or maybe I'll call the company and complain. I dunno.

Anyone else have experiences good or bad with these little devices?
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They ripped you off in my view since the cheapest AR that fires 22lr is like that $400 sold by Smith and Wesson. I iirc moss erg also sells a cheap 22lr. There is also the STG 44 chambered in 22lr.
 
MrJokerRager said:
They ripped you off in my view since the cheapest AR that fires 22lr is like that $400 sold by Smith and Wesson. I iirc moss erg also sells a cheap 22lr. There is also the STG 44 chambered in 22lr.
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It's a conversion kit, not a complete AR. The entire point is to be able to convert to .22 LR then go back to 5.56/.223 on demand.
 
White Devil said:
It's a conversion kit, not a complete AR. The entire point is to be able to convert to .22 LR then go back to 5.56/.223 on demand.
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Yeah. It's a toy basically but I thought it would be a fun one and friendly to my wallet and I'm sure my neighbors would appreciate hearing 22 without the 3 on the end. Accuracy would suffer but probably not really on the level of what I'd be doing and it's not great for the barrel but not just doing a little from time to time from what I've read. It seemed like a good way to plink around with the same set up I'm running on my regular rifle but now idk. I'm probably going to try to get the company to send me a new bolt piece and see what happens.

Speaking of .22s I have a bit of an addiction of picking up cheap plinkers whenever I see them at a gun store. Just got the Armscor M20P for $140. It is obviously nothing fancy but I was actually very pleased with the irons on it. Has a threaded barrel for for can too but haven't tried that. Hitting steel spinners from pretty far out. Going to slap a scope on it though and see what it can do from 100+ yards. Only thing is it came with one 10rd mag, they make 15 and 20rnd ones though but any mags whatsoever for it are super hard to find and expensive. I suspect it can share mags with some similar guns (made in the Philippines) but having trouble finding info about that.
 
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The CMMG kits are all over the place here in the UK as the only semi-auto allowed is 22 rimfire, so a lot of people have dedicated rifles specifically for them.

Mine runs absolutely fine on minimags but on lower powered stuff I had exactly the same experience you did with it not cycling back far enough for the disconnector to catch the hammer. Amusingly, about 1 time out of 10 the hammer would ride the next round back down with enough force to set it off for an unexpected 2 round burst.
 
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