MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[Vitriol]

Turkey has a great record of tossing out despots. This latest coup may have failed, but the more the people are ignored under his rule, the more likely another coup becomes.

He barely missed getting first blown up in his hotel, then blown out of the sky in his private airplane this time, next time he may not be so lucky.

Countries that get along fine with the US that have a Muslim majority:

Jordan
Kuwait
UAE
Bosnia

Note, this list has nothing to do with the country's internal stability, just how they get along with us.

You see, those people you are talking about again? Salafists. The group is huge, they are oppressive, they want you dead. Moderate and progressive Muslims usually do a pretty good job of keeping that cancer at bay within their own countries.

For those of you still saying they are not a threat, well, I have already warned you not to piss on the electric fence, do not be shocked if you see me laughing at you when you chant "this time it will be different!" and do it anyway. I am lucky enough to have a Turkish passport as well as an American one, so I have the luxury of being able to laugh, then leave. You don't.

I refuse to live in fear. If you don't think we are taking this seriously, you mistake us for Germans. Trump's 'strategy' won't curb domestic terror, be they Salafist or some militia man. Anyone who puts stock in anyone to protect them is fooling themselves. I have confidence in our counterterror efforts because they have a pretty impressive track record so far.
Go ahead and act like the herald of doom for Trump. If it comes to the sandscratchers trying to kill us all, remember we have a gun for every man woman and child.

try and stay on topic- if you wish to discuss islam use the islam thread.

 

[APerson]

Proposal to change the thread name to "We're All Fucked 2016 -- I Hate My Candidate, But Yours Is Worse".

 

[Randall Fragg]

Proposal to change the thread name to "We're All Fucked 2016 -- I Hate My Candidate, But Yours Is Worse".

I changed it to the current title because it's essentially a fight between Senator Armstrong and The Patriots at this point. But really, really stupid.
Props to @Internet War Criminal for the name.

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

There does not currently exist a single Islamic country whose values are compatible with ours. Any countries that looked promising in the past have turned to shit (hi Turkey). Gays are imprisoned and tossed off buildings, women are forced to cover themselves up, and Christians, Jews, and atheists are regularly exterminated, and your response is "y-y-you're just afraid of people who are different than you"?

Go hump a cactus please.

And those are also theocracies and/or dictatorships where there is no rule of law beyond the ruler's whims, but of course you know that. I'm also sure you are not unaware that the same things happened under Christianity before the ideas of separation of church and state and limited governmental powers got going. Read up on the thirty years war, the French wars of religion, the genocide of the Cathars....I could go on and on. Now I'm not saying Islam doesn't have problems, it has quite a few. But you're looking at it as if it exists in a vacuum, as if there are no other factors in these countries (like racial/ethnic strife, extreme poverty, corruption, lack of education and opportunity) that can explain their state.

If you could somehow bend reality and turn everyone in Somalia Christian, you would not suddenly have a mini-US. You'd simply have warlords, poverty, disease, and despair with people praying in a slightly different way.

Turkey has a great record of tossing out despots. This latest coup may have failed, but the more the people are ignored under his rule, the more likely another coup becomes.

He barely missed getting first blown up in his hotel, then blown out of the sky in his private airplane this time, next time he may not be so lucky.

Countries that get along fine with the US that have a Muslim majority:

Jordan
Kuwait
UAE
Bosnia

Note, this list has nothing to do with the country's internal stability, just how they get along with us.

You see, those people you are talking about again? Salafists. The group is huge, they are oppressive, they want you dead. Moderate and progressive Muslims usually do a pretty good job of keeping that cancer at bay within their own countries.

For those of you still saying they are not a threat, well, I have already warned you not to piss on the electric fence, do not be shocked if you see me laughing at you when you chant "this time it will be different!" and do it anyway. I am lucky enough to have a Turkish passport as well as an American one, so I have the luxury of being able to laugh, then leave. You don't.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that you'll be LESS likely to be killed by Islamists in Turkey than the US.

We're had people like you crying wolf over the invading hordes since our country was founded. And the same thing always happens. We beat them, kill them, treat them as non-humans, deny their rights, then gradually get used to them as they get more Americanized, and by the time the next invading horde comes around the last horde is standing with us demanding these newcomers be sent back.

"These newcomers are different than the last group. They're too strange, inherently hostile. They'll never assimilate. They're all here to rape our women and cause the extinction of our people. They're spies. They're going to take over and kill us or make us their slaves."

I've heard the same old story before. Nothing you or anyone else who opposes Muslim immigration has said has been new, because you're all just reading from the same script you predecessors have and only changing the name of the invading horde.

 

[JU 199]

I changed it to the current title because it's essentially a fight between Senator Armstrong and The Patriots at this point. But really, really stupid.

I approve of this title. Really sums up all this horseshit.

 

[DZ 305]

try and stay on topic- if you wish to discuss islam use the islam thread.

As you wish.

On topic though, holy fuck...he actually has gone full heresy!

Donald Trump called on evangelical pastors to help him win the presidency this November, which he said is “maybe the only way I'm going to get to heaven.”

It is time to rend my garments in the face of this presumption!

“I'm having a tremendous problem in Utah. Utah is a different place. Is anybody here from Utah? I didn’t think so,” Trump said, prompting laughter from the audience. “We’re having a problem. I mean because, you know, it could cost us the Supreme Court.”

truly a great leader, blaming literally ANYONE but himself.

The Manhattan billionaire also blamed evangelical voters for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s loss in the 2012 presidential election.

“Honestly, you did not vote for Romney. Had you voted for Romney, it would have been much closer,” he said. “You did not vote for Romney. Evangelicals, religion, did not get out and vote. And I don't know why. Whatever the reason, I'm not sure why.”

Because Mormons are not considered Christians by most orthodox Christians you twat.

Trump spent the first half of his roughly 40-minute speech pledging to undo the Johnson Amendment, a rule that the real estate mogul said “silenced” religious leaders politically by threatening to revoke their tax exempt status. In addition to offering a political voice, Trump told the assembled pastors that with the Johnson Amendment removed, church attendance would grow.

Wow, evangelicals have been warning of a great deciever for decades and are falling for this snakeoil pitch!
Meanwhile...

Spoiler: Voting trends of the Catholics and Evangelicals since 2012

The dickhead is pushing away another important voting block. And not a little...

But by a lot...
"Vexilla Regis prodeunt Inferni"
@Gym Leader Elesa : para bellum et laus Deo!

 

[Ruin]

Donald Trump really has gone totally and completely insane. Like, saying Obama founded ISIS is a whole new level of exceptional. Funny thing he isn't trying to clarify himself either, he keeps repeating it.

He's not entirely wrong. fucking half the Syrian opposition armed by the Obama administration turned around and joined ISIS. However he should mention that all the assholes that served Saddam joined ISIS too. Both Bush and Obama created the problem with their misguided foreign policy.

But yea. objectively it's entirely fair to say that the Obama administration contributed to the creation of ISIS.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

He's not entirely wrong. fucking half the Syrian opposition armed by the Obama administration turned around and joined ISIS. However he should mention that all the assholes that served Saddam joined ISIS too. Both Bush and Obama created the problem with their misguided foreign policy.

But yea. objectively it's entirely fair to say that the Obama administration contributed to the creation of ISIS.

He didn't say they "contributed" though, he said Obama literally started ISIS and then repeated this claim multiple times in multiple contexts.

 

[DZ 305]

He's not entirely wrong. fucking half the Syrian opposition armed by the Obama administration turned around and joined ISIS. However he should mention that all the assholes that served Saddam joined ISIS too. Both Bush and Obama created the problem with their misguided foreign policy.

But yea. objectively it's entirely fair to say that the Obama administration contributed to the creation of ISIS.

Except Trump doubled down and said he literally founded Daesh.
If he really gave a damn about arming the rebels, he should have blastes the Congressmen who AGREED to arm the rebels.
Here's a little history lesson: Daesh was founded in 1999. The level of idiocy from Trump's fawning supporters would be fucking horrifying if it hadn't become clear they are just so muxh more willing to just accept anything that they feel like they want to believe as Gospel, reality and truth be damned. It feels like they are activly trying to alter the fabric of reality with their autism. Why does Trump insist on continuing to make up preposterous shit instead of just reaching into the grab-bag of actual fuck ups, and stay out of the conspirtarded shit... (Like what the GOP did with all those blatant Obamacare lies, instead of talking about actual fucking problems with the program) Plus, he doesn't need to waste time attacking Obama's personality when he should be drawing attention to, you know...his actual fucking opponent?

 

[Ruin]

Except Trump doubled down and said he literally founded Daesh.
If he really gave a damn about arming the rebels, he should have blastes the Congressmen who AGREED to arm the rebels.
Here's a little history lesson: Daesh was founded in 1999. The level of idiocy from Trump's fawning supporters would be fucking horrifying if it hadn't become clear they are just so muxh more willing to just accept anything that they feel like they want to believe as Gospel, reality and truth be damned. It feels like they are activly trying to alter the fabric of reality with their autism. Why does Trump insist on continuing to make up preposterous shit instead of just reaching into the grab-bag of actual fuck ups, and stay out of the conspirtarded shit... (Like what the GOP did with all those blatant Obamacare lies, instead of talking about actual fucking problems with the program) Plus, he doesn't need to waste time attacking Obama's personality when he should be drawing attention to, you know...his actual fucking opponent?

Agreed. Hillary has done so many dangerous, corrupt, and unethical things anyone competent would have the election in the bag. Trump would rather be crazy than actually try to win.

 

[DZ 305]

Agreed. Hillary has done so many dangerous, corrupt, and unethical things anyone competent would have the election in the bag. Trump would rather be crazy than actually try to win.

I don't think people realize the situation. For all their hate of Clinton, the primary voters picked the worst possible fucker to beat her. Trump is as much the worst parts of the GOP as Clinton is the Dems. This was supposed to be a fucking rebound election, and a clusterfuck in all three branches seems more and more likely. If Null wants to go and bullshit Trump being in control, how he is our only hope (fucking sounds like Obama 08 all over again) fine. But this obsession with purity in the party will cost the GOP dearly. All of these problems with Trump aren't new, but an echochamber in many supporter circles for any party is a death sentence. Now Trump wants to threaten now raising money for the GOP. Fuck him, cut party support off and begin trying to unfuck local elections. And before anyone rails about how the base would revolt, the increse in primarybparticipation suggests these assholes were not involved in the entire process. 16 candidates makes it easier to splinter a vote. What ever the fuck people think is going to happen with Trump can keep their fantasy land, because I have seen plenty of con-men

 

[Brandobaris]

I've heard about numerous reports of violence against Trump supporters, have their been any against Hillary supporters?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I don't think people realize the situation. For all their hate of Clinton, the primary voters picked the worst possible fucker to beat her. Trump is as much the worst parts of the GOP as Clinton is the Dems. This was supposed to be a fucking rebound election, and a clusterfuck in all three branches seems more and more likely. If Null wants to go and bullshit Trump being in control, how he is our only hope (fucking sounds like Obama 08 all over again) fine. But this obsession with purity in the party will cost the GOP dearly. All of these problems with Trump aren't new, but an echochamber in many supporter circles for any party is a death sentence. Now Trump wants to threaten now raising money for the GOP. Fuck him, cut party support off and begin trying to unfuck local elections. And before anyone rails about how the base would revolt, the increse in primarybparticipation suggests these assholes were not involved in the entire process. 16 candidates makes it easier to splinter a vote. What ever the fuck people think is going to happen with Trump can keep their fantasy land, because I have seen plenty of con-men

A lot of the die hard republican types I've encountered are responding to all this in one of two ways: they're despairing because what the GOP is turning into doesn't represent their values at fucking all anymore, or they're jumping headfirst into paranoia and doubling down on the stupidity. The latter group doesn't seem to understand the political situation they're in and how much this country has changed in the past few decades.

"Oh we lost the election? WE WEREN'T RIGHT WING ENOUGH!"

Let's think about this here, Paul Ryan is now being treated as a moderate. Paul Ryan a couple of years ago was a fucking lunatic to most people. I don't think there's any understating the damage the tea party types and hyper-religious nutjobs did to the republican party.

To call a spade a spade, they've increasingly moved in the direction of a sort of neo-fascism. If you don't feel like reading that article, Trump basically got an entire crowd of people to advocate arresting journalists for criticizing the god emperor. He followed up that terrifying spectacle by saying he wants to try American citizens in military courts in Guantanamo if they're "terrorist", which translated from newspeak nowadays basically means anybody the government doesn't like. The GOP base has nominated a man who has an obvious contempt for the constitution and civil liberties, who advocates violence against his political opponents, who peddles conspiracy theories on the reg, and who dogwhistles so loud that every pooch in the god damn county goes deaf whenever he opens his mouth.

The lunatic fringe taking advantage of a fractured political field to get Trump nominated would be one thing. But what truly blows my mind is how much of the right wing political and media establishment has gotten on board with this, completely oblivious to the fact that most Americans are repulsed by this shit and always were. Which is a sign of how completely alienated from mainstream America they are, if anything. Now Clinton is poised for a historic landslide of a victory. And the republicans are going to have nobody to blame but themselves for that.

 

[Ruin]

A lot of the die hard republican types I've encountered are responding to all this in one of two ways: they're despairing because what the GOP is turning into doesn't represent their values at fucking all anymore, or they're jumping headfirst into paranoia and doubling down on the stupidity. The latter group doesn't seem to understand the political situation they're in and how much this country has changed in the past few decades.

"Oh we lost the election? WE WEREN'T RIGHT WING ENOUGH!"

Let's think about this here, Paul Ryan is now being treated as a moderate. Paul Ryan a couple of years ago was a fucking lunatic to most people. I don't think there's any understating the damage the tea party types and hyper-religious nutjobs did to the republican party.

To call a spade a spade, they've increasingly moved in the direction of a sort of neo-fascism. If you don't feel like reading that article, Trump basically got an entire crowd of people to advocate arresting journalists for criticizing the god emperor. He followed up that terrifying spectacle by saying he wants to try American citizens in military courts in Guantanamo if they're "terrorist", which translated from newspeak nowadays basically means anybody the government doesn't like. The GOP base has nominated a man who has an obvious contempt for the constitution and civil liberties, who advocates violence against his political opponents, who peddles conspiracy theories on the reg, and who dogwhistles so loud that every pooch in the god damn county goes deaf whenever he opens his mouth.

The lunatic fringe taking advantage of a fractured political field to get Trump nominated would be one thing. But what truly blows my mind is how much of the right wing political and media establishment has gotten on board with this, completely oblivious to the fact that most Americans are repulsed by this shit and always were. Which is a sign of how completely alienated from mainstream America they are, if anything. Now Clinton is poised for a historic landslide of a victory. And the republicans are going to have nobody to blame but themselves for that.

You seem salty. Where did Trump touch you?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

You seem salty. Where did Trump touch you?

Right on the constitution.

 

[DZ 305]

So I did a bit of digging on Stein's running mate...just wow. Hold on to your hats, because a doctor was stupid enough to pick someone who's name is fucking Ajamu Baraka. This retard is on record for:

• Calling the rallies and vigils after Charlie Hebdo a "white power march"
• Said Malaysian Airline 17 was shot down as part of a false flag operation by the West
• has openly called Sanders a white supremacist

What a pick Jill, maybe you should have just picked Baraka from Mortal Kombat. It would somehow be less insane.

He looks like a knock off version of Uncle Ben

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

A lot of the die hard republican types I've encountered are responding to all this in one of two ways: they're despairing because what the GOP is turning into doesn't represent their values at fucking all anymore, or they're jumping headfirst into paranoia and doubling down on the stupidity. The latter group doesn't seem to understand the political situation they're in and how much this country has changed in the past few decades.

"Oh we lost the election? WE WEREN'T RIGHT WING ENOUGH!"

Let's think about this here, Paul Ryan is now being treated as a moderate. Paul Ryan a couple of years ago was a fucking lunatic to most people. I don't think there's any understating the damage the tea party types and hyper-religious nutjobs did to the republican party.

To call a spade a spade, they've increasingly moved in the direction of a sort of neo-fascism. If you don't feel like reading that article, Trump basically got an entire crowd of people to advocate arresting journalists for criticizing the god emperor. He followed up that terrifying spectacle by saying he wants to try American citizens in military courts in Guantanamo if they're "terrorist", which translated from newspeak nowadays basically means anybody the government doesn't like. The GOP base has nominated a man who has an obvious contempt for the constitution and civil liberties, who advocates violence against his political opponents, who peddles conspiracy theories on the reg, and who dogwhistles so loud that every pooch in the god damn county goes deaf whenever he opens his mouth.

The lunatic fringe taking advantage of a fractured political field to get Trump nominated would be one thing. But what truly blows my mind is how much of the right wing political and media establishment has gotten on board with this, completely oblivious to the fact that most Americans are repulsed by this shit and always were. Which is a sign of how completely alienated from mainstream America they are, if anything. Now Clinton is poised for a historic landslide of a victory. And the republicans are going to have nobody to blame but themselves for that.

I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree. Like it or not America is changing. Gays are getting married and trans are on the road to full acceptability. The country is becoming less white and less Christian.

The old Republican strategies just aren't going to work much longer. They will have to drastically reinvent themselves if they ever want to field a serious candidate again. And they are going to have a pretty hard time selling any kind of new platform to people they have spend decades calling subhumans who don't deserve rights.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree. Like it or not America is changing. Gays are getting married and trans are on the road to full acceptability. The country is becoming less white and less Christian.

The old Republican strategies just aren't going to work much longer. They will have to drastically reinvent themselves if they ever want to field a serious candidate again. And they are going to have a pretty hard time selling any kind of new platform to people they have spend decades calling subhumans who don't deserve rights.

Funny thing, after Romney lost GOP strategists released a report detailing how republicans have to make a greater attempt to reach out to minorities or they aren't going to last as a viable political force. Their base seemingly found out about that and basically said "fuck that gay shit" and elected the most alienating and bigoted person they could find.

I figure best option for them at this point is to get Paul Ryan and other significant people in the GOP to unendorse Trump, cut off his money and spend it on downticket races, and then in the future try to promote candidates who are more centrist in their politics. Their current base won't like this, but alienating them is kind of the point. Hopefully they'll be able to win over some of the more conservative democrats and independents and make up the shortfall somewhat. At any rate they can't keep pandering to the Cruz and Trump types. The republicans have to turn back the clock about 50 years and go back to the sort of party they were before Nixon southern strategied it to death.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree. Like it or not America is changing. Gays are getting married and trans are on the road to full acceptability. The country is becoming less white and less Christian.

The old Republican strategies just aren't going to work much longer. They will have to drastically reinvent themselves if they ever want to field a serious candidate again. And they are going to have a pretty hard time selling any kind of new platform to people they have spend decades calling subhumans who don't deserve rights.

You do realize that one batshit presidential candidate does not invalidate a party that commands majorities in both houses of Congress, right? Their presidential election strategies that past decade have definitely sucked but winning the Oval Office two straight terms with a likely third is not a countrywide mandate on liberal policies.

You have to be young. I hear this a lot and it is always young people. The republicans are not going to start adopting liberal policies because of a couple SC rulings. And they certainly aren't about to piss off.

 

[Brandobaris]

Right on the constitution.

Not to be a party pooper, but hasn't the Obama government and the Bush government been shitting all over the American Constitution and Bill of Rights the entire time to combat the Terrorism they most likely spawned?