MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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I find it funny no one wants to talk about a ex cia chief who supports Hillary wanting to kill Russians and Iranians.
If we want to talk about problematic endorsements, Trump has been endorsed by Dick Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld.
Of all the people in the last decade who have proven to have shitty judgement, I'm pretty sure these two assholes who's insistence of Gulf War II: Electric Boogaloo should be put front and center.
This is why you haven't defeated Isis and this is why you are sending top of the line hardware to "moderated rebels",who mysteriously desserts to Isis after received the weapons.
No... that would be because these nobody commited to a comprehensive plan of any kind, instead we had dickheads from both parties and both chambers who wanted to look tough on Daesh without the commitment to a real stratagy. The progress we have been making now in helping to pushing them out of Fallujah and now targeting their stronghold on Mosul may have only been reached sooner if we had sent soldiers in sooner.
 
I could beat up Hillary. I've been training against bipedal lizards and my alignment is chaotic neutral.

We should have elections where people just personally fight the candidates.

It couldn't be worse than what we have now.
 
And Pence doesn't seem to have any idea of how to market Trump's immigration plan. If anything, he's making it worse.
On one hand I feel sorry for the guy. He had his back to the wall and thought being on the ticket for VP would keep his career afloat. And now his running mate is dragging his ass on the floor for everyone to see for over a week with no signs of stopping.
Then again, Mike has been against public health measures like having funds go to needle exhanges to combat bloodborn illnesses and has happily parroted the tobacco industry's bullshit as recently as the early 2000's, so maybe he is just an idiot
 
You have to take Trump's statement in context with other things he's been saying recently. When the man talks about Clinton he isn't attacking her policies really. He's attacking her. He's been saying over and over again that there's some sort of conspiracy headed by her to rig the election against him. He's thrown around the idea that Scalia was murdered and that the media and financial establishment is somehow under the thumb of the Clinton campaign. If one is to try to fit all of his statements into a coherent narrative (a Herculean task frankly) then this is what you get: Clinton is an almost satanic creature (not person, creature) who is somehow controlling the entirety of US politics and discourse as well as the economy either for the sake of her own personal enrichment or out of sheer malice and hatred of Americans (and especially their guns!). In Trump's view Clinton is not a political candidate. She is a threat to all human life and must be exterminated. If he loses it is because she uses her clearly limitless control of US politics to commit electoral fraud.

This kind of paranoid, dehumanizing, and conspiratorial thinking has violence as its only logical end point. Trump is operating off the principle that democracy doesn't really exist (unless he wins of course). That's a dangerous idea to spread around in a society with as many armed militias as this one. That he then comes out, after months of getting criticized for this increasingly batshit rhetoric, and throws out the possibility of people assassinating her as if it isn't that big of a deal, should scare the shit out of people. And just so we're aware of this, this kind of bullshit is taking root in people's heads. Go look up videos of Trump rallies. "Lock her up" is one thing, but recently it's escalated to "hang the bitch" and shit like that. People don't just want to vote Trump into office, they want to legitimately kill Clinton.

When we start making light of political violence, that's when democracy has failed entirely. At that point discourse is an impossibility. There's only extermination and Darwinian violence. There's no rationally engaging with people who consider you pure evil and refuse to listen to any point of view that doesn't confirm their prejudices. That's why people saw Palin's stupid map and were disturbed by it in light of what happened to Giffords. And it's why people are rightfully disturbed by this shit also.

To this I'd add that for all eight years of the Obama presidency the Republican's policy was simply to oppose everything he said or tried to do no matter what. Even if they actually came up with it once Obama touched it it became evil (or so they wanted their base to believe *cough* Obamacare was Romneycare *cough*). That and they openly declared he was evil, a terrorist, a secret Muslim infiltrator, and screaming for his blood and that of his children.

Clinton has seen all of this, and she sure as hell has gotten the message. It is pointless to deal with the Republicans. She knows that once she wins the Republicans (and probably many of their base) would gladly see the country destroyed before ever admit she could be right on something, and will oppose literally everything she does. So the logical solution will be to not even try for their cooperation. The Republicans won't even be part of the plan.

And as per the usual, the Republicans will see their hemorrhaging power and decide it's because they aren't pure enough. Any remaining paleoconservatives and moderates will be forced out, further moving the party to the right, which will lead to calls to go yet further and force more people out, and so on.

Unless the Republican party does a complete 180 it's days as a viable political party are numbered.

Alright, all I'm going to say is this, you guys really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Salafists. You are from outside the culture, looking in, and you don't see what we see. When people complain about Muslims not doing anything to help stop terrorists, well, this is why. If we speak up, we are shouted down, because whitey knows best. That is all.

But your posts seem to assume that we're all just helpless little kids, oblivious to danger. We are very aware we live with the ever-present possibility we could be shot or blown-up by some terrorist (Muslim or otherwise). The question is what's the right way to deal with it? Is it being aware and having the FBI looking it (as they are)? Or is deciding everyone Muslim is a hostile threat and shooting first?
 
Trump apparently called Obama the founder of ISIS.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis

:story: Jesus H Christ, this is just insane.
He's been constantly making statements about various politicians "founding ISIS " in a sarcastic manner, more than likely due to the fact ISIS could have been easily stopped before they gained major traction, but instead the U.S. either ignored or in some rare cases encouraged them.
You honestly believe he's serious when he says shit like that? *yawn*
 
Trump apparently called Obama the founder of ISIS.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis

:story: Jesus H Christ, this is just insane.
He's fucking either taking the piss and intentionally tanking, or he is mad. Maybe he's trying to deflect the boomerang fuck up he suffered when pointing out that the father of the Orlando shooter was attending a Clinton rally.
Would be pretty embarassing to Clinton, unless it turns out Trump was blasting Hillary while, say, having a former GOP law-maker who was caught sexting a boy directly behind you. That would be really fucked.

He's been constantly making statements about various politicians "founding ISIS " in a sarcastic manner, more than likely due to the fact ISIS could have been easily stopped before they gained major traction, but instead the U.S. either ignored or in some rare cases encouraged them.

You honestly believe he's serious when he says shit like that? *yawn*
Actually neo-con doctrine of Cheney and Wolfowitz helped create ISIS. But I am sure Trump just says what he means except when talking about Obama being a terrorist sympethizer, and Clinton needing to be shot for beating him.
I'm sure he didn't mean those things
 
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To be fair though, there's a difference between the father of a mass murderer, and some dude who sent nudes.
No trust me, I see the stark contrast. But watch as supporters argue the campaign rally was open to the public, and thus not with in the candidate's control.
 
No trust me, I see the stark contrast. But watch as supporters argue the campaign rally was open to the public, and thus not with in the candidate's control.
Didn't think of it like that.

Nonetheless, I have a question. I'm a reader of the Guardian, and there's been talk of an independent conservative candidate, would that influence things here? Or have you already discussed that?
 
But your posts seem to assume that we're all just helpless little kids, oblivious to danger. We are very aware we live with the ever-present possibility we could be shot or blown-up by some terrorist (Muslim or otherwise). The question is what's the right way to deal with it? Is it being aware and having the FBI looking it (as they are)? Or is deciding everyone Muslim is a hostile threat and shooting first?

There does not currently exist a single Islamic country whose values are compatible with ours. Any countries that looked promising in the past have turned to shit (hi Turkey). Gays are imprisoned and tossed off buildings, women are forced to cover themselves up, and Christians, Jews, and atheists are regularly exterminated, and your response is "y-y-you're just afraid of people who are different than you"?

Go hump a cactus please.
 
Didn't think of it like that.

Nonetheless, I have a question. I'm a reader of the Guardian, and there's been talk of an independent conservative candidate, would that influence things here? Or have you already discussed that?
It was briefly mentioned. Basically, he's going to try and get on the ballot in some strongholds. The argument goes that between Mormon opposition to Trump, the frontier states' laxer attitudes to race, and now an actual conservative might flip Utah.
 
It was briefly mentioned. Basically, he's going to try and get on the ballot in some strongholds. The argument goes that between Mormon opposition to Trump, the frontier states' laxer attitudes to race, and now an actual conservative might flip Utah.
How important is Utah in the whole scheme of things? How much of a blow would it be for Trump or Hillary if this third party run goes ahead and wins?
 
How important is Utah in the whole scheme of things? How much of a blow would it be for Trump or Hillary if this third party run goes ahead and wins?
Utah is a small, but consistently red state. The 6 EC loss would hurt Trump, but not as badly as Clinton cementing control over Pennslyvennia (20 votes and part of the Rust Belt that Trump is trying to appeal to).
 
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