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The answer is not only to match, but exceed them in cruelty.

Saddam dint treat them with flowers and kept them under control for decades.

Oh, you kids.

This is how I can tell none of you have ever lived in a war zone or fought in a war. It's so easy to say that shit until it's your city, the gun is in your face, and you are watching your brothers and sisters be mowed down. None of you would have the courage to act in combat, or massacre civilians. I would love to see you edgelords tell me how you would "torture" someone. And if you did or could, you deserve whatever ISIS gives to you.

Matching cruelty for cruelty only makes the enemy fight harder. It only makes you suffer more. I have seen entire settlements leveled by the mentality so many of you are promoting and guess what, it didn't work. Things are only worse now with no end in sight, or the conflict ended with no winners- only losers. The neighborhood I grew up in is destroyed, and for nothing. They gunned down civilians in the street and all we got was more conflict.

Furthermore, you people act like ISIS has the capabilities of WW II Japan or something. Like if we don't do something "now" the greatest empires of the world will all just fall over because they lost 0.0002% of their population. The cowardice of the first world never fails to amaze me. But I guess, it is as they say:

"America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marine Corps is at war."

Additionally, torture and genocide have generally proven useless in protracted campaigns. Torture because the information is never trustworthy, and genocide because the means required are usually out of reach when the other side is still resisting. And if they aren't you've already won. Why kill them?

Surburban white kids smh
 
Oh, you kids.

This is how I can tell none of you have ever lived in a war zone or fought in a war. It's so easy to say that shit until it's your city, the gun is in your face, and you are watching your brothers and sisters be mowed down. None of you would have the courage to act in combat, or massacre civilians. I would love to see you edgelords tell me how you would "torture" someone. And if you did or could, you deserve whatever ISIS gives to you.

Matching cruelty for cruelty only makes the enemy fight harder. It only makes you suffer more. I have seen entire settlements leveled by the mentality so many of you are promoting and guess what, it didn't work. Things are only worse now with no end in sight, or the conflict ended with no winners- only losers. The neighborhood I grew up in is destroyed, and for nothing. They gunned down civilians in the street and all we got was more conflict.

Furthermore, you people act like ISIS has the capabilities of WW II Japan or something. Like if we don't do something "now" the greatest empires of the world will all just fall over because they lost 0.0002% of their population. The cowardice of the first world never fails to amaze me. But I guess, it is as they say:

"America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marine Corps is at war."

Additionally, torture and genocide have generally proven useless in protracted campaigns. Torture because the information is never trustworthy, and genocide because the means required are usually out of reach when the other side is still resisting. And if they aren't you've already won. Why kill them?

Surburban white kids smh

Because our approach of treating them with kid-gloves has worked well up to this point?

We've lost troops because they were told to handle suspicious packages on the pretense that detonating them in-place would "upset the community".

A war is not fought effectively by humanizing people. Quite the opposite, actually.
 
Furthermore, you people act like ISIS has the capabilities of WW II Japan or something. Like if we don't do something "now" the greatest empires of the world will all just fall over because they lost 0.0002% of their population. The cowardice of the first world never fails to amaze me. But I guess, it is as they say:
Traditional warfare no longer exists. Inciting terrorism from Islamic Radicals in major cities throughout the world is how it's done. ISIS is a very loose-knit organization with detachable leadership figures who secure funds from international interests.

Terrorism will continue to exist as long as Islam is welcome in our countries. ISIS can be dismantled, but it will just pop up again with another name.
 
Because our approach of treating them with kid-gloves has worked well up to this point?

We've lost troops because they were told to handle suspicious packages on the pretense that detonating them in-place would "upset the community".

A war is not fought effectively by humanizing people. Quite the opposite, actually.

Look, I am more on your side than you think. There are going to be civilian casualties, we are going to have to execute some people. We need tighter border controls and generals willing to risk lives. But the kinds of things that are being advocated go beyond that. They don't help you "win" and they only stain the souls of the men performing them. Even if the average Leatherneck could carry out those kinds of orders, the damage it would do to him is irreparable. The damage it does to America is irreparable. And no, no matter how badly you want it to America can't exist inside a vacuum. It needs allies and trading partners. It needs people who are willing to trust it. Most people don't trust genocidal maniacs who advocate mass torture to destroy a force not 1/100th of its size. And if that doesn't matter to you, you're a terrible American and certainly no patriot. Certainly the opposite of the pragmatist you claim to be.

And also remember this isn't a video game.

Someone has to carry out the things you're suggesting. Someone has to be ordered. The average soldier can't even bring himself to shoot to kill, and admits this. It's why so many bullets are wasted. In Vietnam, it was 50,000 bullets per kill. Think about that, and get back to me about you pragmatism.

And if course, it wouldn't be you, would it, missy? You don't have to get dirty, so why should you care?

raditional warfare no longer exists. Inciting terrorism from Islamic Radicals in major cities throughout the world is how it's done. ISIS is a very loose-knit organization with detachable leadership figures who secure funds from international interests.

Terrorism will continue to exist as long as Islam is welcome in our countries. ISIS can be dismantled, but it will just pop up again with another name.

This is true, and was actually a large part of my point.
 
Look, I am more on your side than you think. There are going to be civilian casualties, we are going to have to execute some people. We need tighter border controls and generals willing to risk lives. But the kinds of things that are being advocated go beyond that. They don't help you "win" and they only stain the souls of the men performing them. Even if the average Leatherneck could carry out those kinds of orders, the damage it would do to him is irreparable. The damage it does to America is irreparable. And no, no matter how badly you want it to America can't exist inside a vacuum. It needs allies and trading partners. It needs people who are willing to trust it. Most people don't trust genocidal maniacs who advocate mass torture to destroy a force not 1/100th of its size. And if that doesn't matter to you, you're a terrible American and certainly no patriot. Certainly the opposite of the pragmatist you claim to be.

And also remember this isn't a video game.

Someone has to carry out the things you're suggesting. Someone has to be ordered. The average soldier can't even bring himself to shoot to kill, and admits this. It's why so many bullets are wasted. In Vietnam, it was 50,000 bullets per kill. Think about that, and get back to me about you pragmatism.

And if course, it wouldn't be you, would it, missy? You don't have to get dirty, so why should you care?

I don't think we should be there at all.
 
Because our approach of treating them with kid-gloves has worked well up to this point?
ISIS is losing territory consistently, it's bleeding money and fighters, and its top military figures are getting blown to goeey bits one by one. Their self proclaimed capital is being encircled by the Syrian army and YPG, and the Peshmerga and Iraqi military are starting a major offensive in Iraq that will probably end up dislodging them from Fallujah and Mosul.
We're winning the war against ISIS. And we're doing it with little commit of American lives. It might not seem like this if you watch the news, but the attacks they pull off in other countries are a sign of desperation on their part.
This isn't a Hollywood movie. Being a brutal maniac who slaughters everything in sight didn't work in Vietnam, it didn't work for the Turks in their war against the PKK (30 years and counting that's been going on), hasn't worked for us in Afghanistan (watch Taxi To The Dark Side if you've never seen it), didn't work in Iraq, hasn't worked for Israel, didn't work for France in Algeria etc etc etc. Never mind morally, strategically being violent for its own sake is a total failure.
 
ISIS is losing territory consistently, it's bleeding money and fighters, and its top military figures are getting blown to goeey bits one by one. Their self proclaimed capital is being encircled by the Syrian army and YPG, and the Peshmerga and Iraqi military are starting a major offensive in Iraq that will probably end up dislodging them from Fallujah and Mosul.
We're winning the war against ISIS. And we're doing it with little commit of American lives. It might not seem like this if you watch the news, but the attacks they pull off in other countries are a sign of desperation on their part.
This isn't a Hollywood movie. Being a brutal maniac who slaughters everything in sight didn't work in Vietnam, it didn't work for the Turks in their war against the PKK (30 years and counting that's been going on), hasn't worked for us in Afghanistan (watch Taxi To The Dark Side if you've never seen it), didn't work in Iraq, hasn't worked for Israel, didn't work for France in Algeria etc etc etc. Never mind morally, strategically being violent for its own sake is a total failure.
You forget that the after russians razed grozny the large scale insurgence was defeated.
or that after we exterminated the germans out of czechoslovakia there was no more ethnic unrest that destabilized that country.
Or heck stalin starved the ukranians and their oposition crumbled,unless you count some ukranian nationalists in ww2 as a large scale oposition to stalin.
Look, I am more on your side than you think. There are going to be civilian casualties, we are going to have to execute some people. We need tighter border controls and generals willing to risk lives. But the kinds of things that are being advocated go beyond that. They don't help you "win" and they only stain the souls of the men performing them. Even if the average Leatherneck could carry out those kinds of orders, the damage it would do to him is irreparable. The damage it does to America is irreparable. And no, no matter how badly you want it to America can't exist inside a vacuum. It needs allies and trading partners. It needs people who are willing to trust it. Most people don't trust genocidal maniacs who advocate mass torture to destroy a force not 1/100th of its size. And if that doesn't matter to you, you're a terrible American and certainly no patriot. Certainly the opposite of the pragmatist you claim to be.

And also remember this isn't a video game.

Someone has to carry out the things you're suggesting. Someone has to be ordered. The average soldier can't even bring himself to shoot to kill, and admits this. It's why so many bullets are wasted. In Vietnam, it was 50,000 bullets per kill. Think about that, and get back to me about you pragmatism.

And if course, it wouldn't be you, would it, missy? You don't have to get dirty, so why should you care?



This is true, and was actually a large part of my point.
You are extremely optimistic about a soldier not killing someone.
North vietnamese had no quarrel about massacring their capitalist citizens of the south.
in Rwanda neighbors for decades killed each other with rocks just by their different racial and cultural identities.
In yugoslavia there was massive killings on a scale never seen since ww2 in europe.
Most of those were caused by soldiers or armed militia.
You can easily kill someone,you just need some PSYOPS to do it.

About america couldnt escape getting dirty
Who would opose you?
you flattened cities in ww2, pulverized most of the japanese cities to a crisp, bombed berlin so much that 70% of all constructions were at least damaged.
you used chemical and incendiary weapons in Vietnam,used them again in iraq and despite the moans of some left leaning pacifist,no sanctions were enacted.
Russia cleansed chechnya and arguably that has not affect US-Russia relations in a large way.
 
Speaking of war, Trump has been getting blasted over his amazingly insensitive comments about the parents of the slain soldier calling out his shit, and the criticism of him has been coming from both sides - pretty much the only people defending Trump are those still even in his campaign party, since most of the rest of the GOP is aghast and rightfully so. So soon after the conventions that it's almost entirely off the major web sites while it's all about Trump attacking the family of a slain soldier over their religion like the bigot dipstick he is. Seriously, how the fuck do you spin this?
 
You forget that the after russians razed grozny the large scale insurgence was defeated.
or that after we exterminated the germans out of czechoslovakia there was no more ethnic unrest that destabilized that country.
Or heck stalin starved the ukranians and their oposition crumbled,unless you count some ukranian nationalists in ww2 as a large scale oposition to stalin.

You are extremely optimistic about a soldier not killing someone.
North vietnamese had no quarrel about massacring their capitalist citizens of the south.
in Rwanda neighbors for decades killed each other with rocks just by their different racial and cultural identities.
In yugoslavia there was massive killings on a scale never seen since ww2 in europe.
Most of those were caused by soldiers or armed militia.
You can easily kill someone,you just need some PSYOPS to do it.

About america couldnt escape getting dirty
Who would opose you?
you flattened cities in ww2, pulverized most of the japanese cities to a crisp, bombed berlin so much that 70% of all constructions were at least damaged.
you used chemical and incendiary weapons in Vietnam,used them again in iraq and despite the moans of some left leaning pacifist,no sanctions were enacted.
Russia cleansed chechnya and arguably that has not affect US-Russia relations in a large way.
In Rwanda the Tutsis later took over the government from the genocidal Hutus. The Soviet Union faced periodic and massive unrest throughout its existence (Afghanistan is a perfect example) and eventually collapsed do in large part to public resentment towards the government's contempt for the population. In Yugoslavia NOBODY really won, not even the people murdering everybody else, the North Vietnamese had the support of large portions of the southern population which is why they ended up winning (we were dropping agent orange on them by contrast). Chechnyan Islamists I might add still pop up all over the world and currently make up much of the fighting force of ISIS. Most people who look closely will tell you that all Putin accomplished in Chechnya was eradicating an immediate threat and returning it to a slow burn that will inevitably explode again.

If you want another example consider that Colombia was fighting FARC for some 60 years, its government committed numerous atrocities, and yet they never got closer to truly stopping them until they reached a political agreement. How long did the Troubles go on again? Maggie Thatcher let those hunger strikers die and the IRA only got a martyr out of it.

This isn't world war 2.

I will dispute whether it actually isn't working in Israel. Israel is still around and it has a high birth rate with the Jews outbreeding the Palestinians. Israel is having many problems but it still has a chance of succeeding.
Israel isn't any closer to defeating Hamas, its growing more and more internationally isolated, and the situation is at a never ending stalemate. If anything they made their problems worse. The PLO was more reasonable than the lunatics they're dealing with nowadays. Israel's unwillingness to deal with the root causes of Palestinian insurgency in favor of repression is currently biting them in the ass and will continue to do so. Unless never ending war is a "success"
Seriously, how the fuck do you spin this?
I've stopped trying to figure out Trump's thought process. Fact is he's just a narcissist. The Khans made him look bad so he lashed out, now he looks worse. Trump, underneath everything, is a giant lolcow. His insecurity drives him to madness.
 
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Speaking of war, Trump has been getting blasted over his amazingly insensitive comments about the parents of the slain soldier calling out his shit, and the criticism of him has been coming from both sides - pretty much the only people defending Trump are those still even in his campaign party, since most of the rest of the GOP is aghast and rightfully so. So soon after the conventions that it's almost entirely off the major web sites while it's all about Trump attacking the family of a slain soldier over their religion like the bigot dipstick he is. Seriously, how the fuck do you spin this?
Trump's not a nice guy. He says some insensitive, asshole-ish things. I just want someone who's going to deport illegals and bomb the shit out of ISIS, I don't care if he's a jackass.
 
You are right,but there is no justification for war anyway
You must do whatever it takes to win.
If Saddam had won there would be only mostly praise for Iraq.
Since America won,they got to write their side of the story.
Only 6k killed, with many non combatants, that is quite a small fraction of the Taliban and Isis.
 
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You are right,but there is no justification for war anyway
You must do whatever it takes to win.
If Saddam had won there would be only mostly praise for Iraq.
Since America won,they got to write their side of the story.
Only 6k killed, with many non combatants, that is quite a small fraction of the Taliban and Isis.
Its never just 'only'. There is always more, and despite 15 years of fighting, crippling our civil liberties, collecting every bit of information, we're no less safe from a second 9/11. If anything, we're going back to the 90's, an age of domestic terror. Fighting terrorism is like wack-a-mole, eventually you will miss, and the best we can do is mitigate losses by doing things like being smart about our vetting system, cutting off funding for extremist groups, (here are the assholes in the House who agreed to give Syrian rebels weapons,
and here's the list of senators) and doubling down on our intelligence and counter-terror forces. Doesn't matter if you let one refugee in or Merklestan ammounts, you better be able to watch anyone you think could be a threat like a hawk. This is a policy that should transend shit like ethnicity and religion, a 60 old Baptist man looking up homemade explosives should be fucking watched as closely as Abdul-Muhummad-Izz-Ali, goat hearder from Pakistan.
 
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Speaking of war, Trump has been getting blasted over his amazingly insensitive comments about the parents of the slain soldier calling out his shit, and the criticism of him has been coming from both sides - pretty much the only people defending Trump are those still even in his campaign party, since most of the rest of the GOP is aghast and rightfully so.

This rich pussy who has never had to face so much as a thrown punch in his life has absolute, utter contempt for the people who actually fight wars, and has shown it time and time again.
 
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