MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

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That bit I mentioned about democrats using magical thinking regarding their perceived mandate? This shit, right fucking here.

In the 80s, you could apply the term "liberal" to smear someone quite effectively. Today, you can do that with "conservative". One needs a certain level of delusion or youthful ignorance to imagine this will not flip again in the future.

A flip might happen in the future, but it might come to late to save them.

The Republicans have used populist resentment for decades. That's not something that people will just forget about. Blacks, gays, Hispanics, and others who have traditionally been portrayed as lower than dirt by the Republican establishment are not just going to forgive them for it anytime soon.

This article says it best:

Trump is the most obnoxiously bigoted candidate to run for president on a major party ticket in generations, but his actual positions and beliefs are not that far out of the Republican mainstream. Many of the defectors turning away from Trump’s cause hold positions that are in effect, if not in expression, as disturbing as Trump’s. And any attempt to mitigate that truth — however well-intentioned or politically calculated — is a mistake.
 
Exactly. They've fallen into the trap of thinking that if they just want it hard enough it'll happen.

I read something once about people who still support Sanders. How it's no longer about politics for them. It's pretty much become a messianic cult where followers are convinced if they just believe hard enough he can still be president. I think the same thing is happening to Trump's base.



Even if it doesn't this is probably the beginning of the end for the GOP. Their core demographic is shrinking, and they have no chance of winning over any other groups. Unless they pull a complete ideological 180 right now then nothing can save them from a long, slow slide into irrelevancy.

Being fair, the cultist fervor also seems to be active in some Clinton supporters, not helping being the same people that would get scared by Trump having good rallies or commenting about "do not let Trump talk in the debates" even when he is imploding. This election is specially dirty at both sides, even if is clear Trump is less subtle about it.
 
A flip might happen in the future, but it might come to late to save them.

The Republicans have used populist resentment for decades. That's not something that people will just forget about. Blacks, gays, Hispanics, and others who have traditionally been portrayed as lower than dirt by the Republican establishment are not just going to forgive them for it anytime soon.

This article says it best:

The groups you mention has always been democrats. What I am curious about is what will happen to the poor whites whose only hero is Trump?
Will they fade into obscurity with no real party to represent them, or will they go down fighting?
 
Maybe the Zodiac Killer has a chance at winning in 2020. I really do hope the GOP gets their shit together before the next election, maybe a Trump loss will be a wake up call to the party.

No, the wake up call should've been Trump getting the nomination in the first place.
 
I really don't think Trump can drag himself back up from the damage that the Access Hollywood tape did, and I will use this article to illustrate why. This is several women discussing the tape and what they think it "Reveals About This Election And Our Culture," and I think it reveals the mentality of the people who are writing astonished reactions to the leaked audio.

colleen (Colleen Barry, general editor): Yeah, I really dislike the “locker-room talk” characterization this is getting. “Locker-room talk” implies that everyone is vulnerable (read: naked) and the conversations that go on are 1. meant to stay private and 2. meant to cover the awkwardness of everyone showering together. No one here was vulnerable or in a situation where they should reasonably expect privacy — they were all prepped for a TV appearance, and they all knew they were miked.

christie: It’s striking to me that this was not a locker room and he was not among a group of friends. This was a professional setting, they were two grown men and the purpose here seems to be to self-aggrandization.
The astronomical distance by which it goes over their heads is amazing. You basically have a bunch of women explaining to a man what they assume men talk about in a men's locker room, and it's clear that the concept is so foreign to them that they can't even conceptualize it other than by drawing on their wholly different experiences and personal insecurities. They hear "locker room talk" and think "When I'm naked in the locker room I get dressed as quickly as possible because I'm embarrassed of my cellulite and just chuckle nervously if anyone tries to talk to me."

Consequently, Trump characterizing it as "locker room talk" only made it worse because people have their own connotation of what "locker room talk" is. Trump's main rhetorical problem is that he makes a lot of vague statements and then doesn't follow through on them to lead the listener to the conclusion that he wants them to come to, and therefore they just fill in the blanks with their personal biases. This works fine when you are speaking to your sympathetic base, because they will nod their heads and fill in the blanks with what they charitably assume that you must have meant, but you can't control how any else contextualizes your words.

I was going to quote more from the article, but the above just represents so succinctly why his defense failed. Interestingly, the second woman comes close to explaining what "locker room talk" is by describing exactly what the men in the video are doing: self-aggrandizing. Anyone who knows the first thing about the sociology of male bonding would know that self-aggrandizing (and often exaggerated) anecdotes are a big part of that, and it doesn't stop when a man turns 18 (if anything, it gets worse). And yet the people they got to discuss the dialogue for this article expect that wealthy, confident men who are trying to relax before a recorded TV performance are just going to sit on the bus having a subdued conversation about strictly professional matters.

Worse still is the number of articles that I have seen, this one included, that characterize Trump's conversation as "condoning sexual assault" or "bragging about getting away with sexual assault." Again, these people don't understand male socialization, and their ignorant interpretation is what's going to dominate the narrative about his attempt to apologetically smooth-over the leaked audio: people who are so autistic that they think that Trump literally throws himself onto and starts kissing beautiful women the instant he sees them like he's some kind of cartoon villain, instead of it just being an absurd joke; or they hear him say "when you're a star, they let you do it" and immediately picture a frightened woman trembling under his tiny hands because they are afraid of him, and not just braggadocious bullshitting about how "I totally get tons of pussy because I'm rich and famous! Give me social validation!"

OK, fine, here's a bonus quote:

He twice encourages the woman they’re meeting to be in physical contact with Trump (asks for a hug, puts her between them) and makes a number of sexualized comments. He’s basically offering contact with an attractive woman as a prize to keep Trump happy.
Bitch, she was the one who said "Actually, I should be in the middle." You've been an editor for 14 years and you can't even get a basic detail from the video right.

Oh wait:

Her LinkedIn said:
Publications
Sexist Creeps: Spotting and Fixing Sexist Language
April 1, 2016
I organized and sat on a panel covering a range of topics relating to identifying and correcting sexist or otherwise problematic language at the American Copy Editors Society's 2016 conference.
I'm sure they loved having you there.
 
I noticed this a long time ago, but he has such a weird way of writing tweets that if he weren't rich, famous, and the GOP nom, I'd consider making a lolcow thread on him.
I think he's the most successful lolcow in the world. If he loses the election will he get a thread?

No, the wake up call should've been Trump getting the nomination in the first place.
Fair enough, but at that point what can you do?
 
I think he's the most successful lolcow in the world. If he loses the election will he get a thread?


Fair enough, but at that point what can you do?
It'd be interesting. If Trump loses, it'll be a chimpout by himself. We may even get an added bonus of @Null halaling himself.
 
It's almost like Trump is the Chris-Chan of politicians and you'd have to completely have no clue how politics work to still be supporting this bloviating ignoramus.

i was so ready to see you cry

i had a martini glass and the little umbrella and everything. fucking access hollywood of all things would fuck ny shit up
 
I really don't think Trump can drag himself back up from the damage that the Access Hollywood tape did, and I will use this article to illustrate why. This is several women discussing the tape and what they think it "Reveals About This Election And Our Culture," and I think it reveals the mentality of the people who are writing astonished reactions to the leaked audio.


The astronomical distance by which it goes over their heads is amazing. You basically have a bunch of women explaining to a man what they assume men talk about in a men's locker room, and it's clear that the concept is so foreign to them that they can't even conceptualize it other than by drawing on their wholly different experiences and personal insecurities. They hear "locker room talk" and think "When I'm naked in the locker room I get dressed as quickly as possible because I'm embarrassed of my cellulite and just chuckle nervously if anyone tries to talk to me."

Consequently, Trump characterizing it as "locker room talk" only made it worse because people have their own connotation of what "locker room talk" is. Trump's main rhetorical problem is that he makes a lot of vague statements and then doesn't follow through on them to lead the listener to the conclusion that he wants them to come to, and therefore they just fill in the blanks with their personal biases. This works fine when you are speaking to your sympathetic base, because they will nod their heads and fill in the blanks with what they charitably assume that you must have meant, but you can't control how any else contextualizes your words.

I was going to quote more from the article, but the above just represents so succinctly why his defense failed. Interestingly, the second woman comes close to explaining what "locker room talk" is by describing exactly what the men in the video are doing: self-aggrandizing. Anyone who knows the first thing about the sociology of male bonding would know that self-aggrandizing (and often exaggerated) anecdotes are a big part of that, and it doesn't stop when a man turns 18 (if anything, it gets worse). And yet the people they got to discuss the dialogue for this article expect that wealthy, confident men who are trying to relax before a recorded TV performance are just going to sit on the bus having a subdued conversation about strictly professional matters.

Worse still is the number of articles that I have seen, this one included, that characterize Trump's conversation as "condoning sexual assault" or "bragging about getting away with sexual assault." Again, these people don't understand male socialization, and their ignorant interpretation is what's going to dominate the narrative about his attempt to apologetically smooth-over the leaked audio: people who are so autistic that they think that Trump literally throws himself onto and starts kissing beautiful women the instant he sees them like he's some kind of cartoon villain, instead of it just being an absurd joke; or they hear him say "when you're a star, they let you do it" and immediately picture a frightened woman trembling under his tiny hands because they are afraid of him, and not just braggadocious bullshitting about how "I totally get tons of pussy because I'm rich and famous! Give me social validation!"

OK, fine, here's a bonus quote:


Bitch, she was the one who said "Actually, I should be in the middle." You've been an editor for 14 years and you can't even get a basic detail from the video right.

Oh wait:


I'm sure they loved having you there.
I don't really care about either party, but Trump, being the orange idiot that he is said something stupid in confidence with his dumb guy friend. Trump obviously has a huge ego and wanted to look cool in front of his younger friend. What worries me is people claim that Hillary is somehow now the feminist supreme. Hillary's husband received oral sex in the American Whitehouse by a woman twice Hillary's size and half her age, and he has also had numerous, disgusting affairs. How can people so virulently shame Trump for just bragging about grabbing a vagina, when Hillary's husband grabbed some while in office and throughout their marriage. A woman that stays with a man stays with a pig is probably going to be very filthy no matter how much they protest. I guess this whole situation with Hillary does not matter any longer because Bill is too old to put his slimy eel in any meat pies.
 
The astronomical distance by which it goes over their heads is amazing. You basically have a bunch of women explaining to a man what they assume men talk about in a men's locker room, and it's clear that the concept is so foreign to them that they can't even conceptualize it other than by drawing on their wholly different experiences and personal insecurities. They hear "locker room talk" and think "When I'm naked in the locker room I get dressed as quickly as possible because I'm embarrassed of my cellulite and just chuckle nervously if anyone tries to talk to me."
I believe this leak won't sway male voters at all, but rather pearl-clutching female republicans/independents.
Women (in my experience) aren't as lewd in locker rooms and I don't think a lot of women understand what guys can be like. Also I don't think we really want to know.
 
How can people so virulently shame Trump for just bragging about grabbing a vagina, when Hillary's husband grabbed some while in office and throughout their marriage.
He didn't even grab it, he was just shittalking. From his story, he was interested in a married woman and took her furniture shopping. She rejected his advances and he moved on. Wow! What a disgusting pig. Meanwhile Bill Clinton has actually pressured women into sex, but his wife is totally a feminist icon.
There's a huge difference between what you say and what you actually do. Trump talks a lot of shit about women but he has a great record with actually hiring and promoting them.
 
He's telling his constituents who not to vote for.
And destroying the entire republican party in the process, solely to satiate his own ego.

Not that I'm complaining, in fact I highly support The Donald's personal jihad against his own constituency. The glorious one party feminazi state of my dreams is on the horizon.

I would be interested in seeing if this downticket massacre pans out. Historically ticket-splitters are EXTREMELY rare. In one race I ran, it was a presidential year, and we outperformed the President and US Representative candidates (both same party as my candidate) in our district by 4% or so. This was HUGE, it meant of the total votes cast, 4% of people voted for the other candidate for Prez/US Rep but switched to vote for us. Polarization is such that most people vote straight ticket. Exit polling and totals are going to be very fun to digest for a few days.

It's up in the air in a lot of ways. But at the same time all this controversy can't be good for the GOP. The pro-Trump faction is pissed off at their representatives for abandoning Trump, the anti-Trump faction is pissed at their representatives for supporting him. No matter which side of the aisle you're on here, there's a good chance part of your base is disgusted with you. Doesn't help that the republicans have been feeling the pain that comes with shifting demographics for a few years now. They need a unified base to stay even remotely viable.

I doubt anybody's going to start voting democrat because of Trump. But I do get the impression that all this is going to convince a lot of people to start voting third party or just stay home in general. The more demoralized and slap happy the republicans get the more the democrats have to benefit.
 
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It's almost like if a certain party shits on men and blames them for all the evil in the world, they tend not to vote for them.

Weird.

Doesn't the other party also shit on women a fair bit with their restrictive women rights laws and policy proposals?
 
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