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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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Sure those are cherrypicked, but here's the whole list and I agree with almost all of it
http://www.ontheissues.org/IN/Mike_Pence.htm

Fair enough.

Also I'd like to remind people not to forget about the Senate and House election, and your locals if they consolidate them. Your individual vote has far more power in those, and those elections actually have more meaning too as far as internal policy, or your daily life if it's on the lower end of the totem pole. Don't just go in and vote for everyone on the same line as your president pick just because you only paid attention to Trump v Clinton. Especially since the more local the politics, the more nutjob some of the candidates are. I think I voted around 60/40 the last time as far as state and congress combined went as far as party spread. Local I voted for a single issue platform though because of a fairly big issue in town involving zoning. My guy lost, different indpendant won, and now they're building massive condos in my backyard. Or would be if we hadn't moved due to the landlord doubling the rent because of it.
 
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Didn't Pence also push a bill in Indiana that would force women who get abortions to pay for funerals for their aborted fetus?

That's a good idea, maybe loosing money will teach them to use contraception. How hard it is to take a pill? It even helps with menstrual pains, so why not? I can't believe all of them are allergic to it or some shit.
 
That's a good idea, maybe loosing money will teach them to use contraception. How hard it is to take a pill? It even helps with menstrual pains, so why not? I can't believe all of them are allergic to it or some shit.
Pretty hard - due to lack of access or affordability for women who aren't rich in my nation. Trust me.

Here's the problem with such a bill - these women being victimized by it are likely not able to access or afford contraception at all, thanks to ass - clowns who under Big Pharma's employ like Pence enjoy the ability to villainously price - gouge life - saving and life - protecting resources, such as that of contraception pills. There's nothing protecting these women or allowing them to make the choice to not have kids, due to how abortion is treated in places like Indiana. Pence is just another in a long line of Bible-thumping shit-stains that needs to die out, already, just as badly as the SJWs need to shut the fuck up and disappear already.
 
Pretty hard - due to lack of access or affordability for women who aren't rich in my nation. Trust me.

Here's the problem with such a bill - these women being victimized by it are likely not able to access or afford contraception at all, thanks to ass - clowns who under Big Pharma's employ like Pence enjoy the ability to villainously price - gouge life - saving and life - protecting resources, such as that of contraception pills. There's nothing protecting these women or allowing them to make the choice to not have kids, due to how abortion is treated in places like Indiana. Pence is just another in a long line of Bible-thumping shit-stains that needs to die out, already, just as badly as the SJWs need to shut the fuck up and disappear already.

How bad are the prices there?
Here the prices are around 10 bucks per month. Which is honestly affordable, and that's in case they can't get their boyfriends to use a condom. Which is preferable if one changes partners often.

Are the US prices different? 10 bucks should be affordable even for poor americans.
 
How bad are the prices there?
Here the prices are around 10 bucks per month. Which is honestly affordable, and that's in case they can't get their boyfriends to use a condom. Which is preferable if one changes partners often.

Are the US prices different? 10 bucks should be affordable even for poor americans.
I haven't looked in a while, but iirc a month's supply of The Pill shouldn't run more than like fifty bucks at the absolute upper limit of out-of-pocket. If you've got insurance then it's chump change.
Pretty sure the shots are a bit more expensive.
 
Here's the problem with such a bill - these women being victimized by it are likely not able to access or afford contraception at all, thanks to ass - clowns who under Big Pharma's employ like Pence enjoy the ability to villainously price - gouge life - saving and life - protecting resources, such as that of contraception pills. There's nothing protecting these women or allowing them to make the choice to not have kids, due to how abortion is treated in places like Indiana. Pence is just another in a long line of Bible-thumping shit-stains that needs to die out, already, just as badly as the SJWs need to shut the fuck up and disappear already.

Yeah, this is the big issue. Abortion is endlessly debatable (don't fuck up this thread with an abortion debate) but if you don't believe in the personhood of a foetus, then the state's right to tell you how to handle it ends there. Evangelical neocons like Pence are the worst element of the Republican party (even Ghost thinks this was a deal by the establishment) precisely because they keep bloating government in order to enforce their religious views on the general public.

It's important to see the types of things Pence did as governor and understand them from a "freedom-for-all" perspective. Let's examine the difference between two things Pence did as governor and why one stands out as showing his truest colours...a Bush-era evangelical statist and nowhere near a conservative.

1. Constitutional ban on gay marriage
As late as 2006, Gov. Pence pushed for a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. They term this "defining marriage as one man and one woman", but it has the practical effect of excluding gays from a bureaucratic rig that, alas, has become essential to function on an equal footing in today's economy. Pence misses the mark here even by conservative standards. It's not very conservative of him to create a definition in the constitution for something that was never there in the first place. Additionally, this would be the only amendment that serves the purpose of restricting citizen's rights rather than expanding them. The last and only time that ever happened was Prohibition, and we all know what a disaster that was.

As usual, more government is the problem, not the solution. A federal marriage amendment moves marriage from the states into the federal government, creating yet another problem that never existed in the first place; state-sanctioned discrimination against gays and lesbians. They can no longer benefit from a government tangle that shouldn't even exist. Straight people remain unaffected. Life goes on for everyone else. You're passing something to bitch at gay people, drive them out of the country, and create massive brain-drain as their friends and family follow suit. Unnecessary federal law fucks something up, what a surprise.

The conservative solution? Get government out of marriage in the first place and replace it with property contracts. Gov. Pence failed here by using Congress to whine about the fact that he doesn't want to see two men holding hands in the street, rather than defending the notion and legal tradition of small government that has made America a diverse superpower. Sorry to say it, but no amount of legislation will erase gays from existence. You're rather liberal to think that the government would be a particularly effective way of doing that in the first place.

2. RFRA (then waffling on RFRA)
RFRA, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, was a bill touted at protecting the rights of Christian private business owners to run their establishment as they see fit. This is not an anti-gay bill, but the left would have you believe that. It merely recused the state from interfering in the affairs of private business; arguably a noble endeavour. When understanding freedom in a constitutional sense, it's important to recall that business owners have as much right to run their shop as they see fit, as gays have to live their personal lives unaffected by government. Liberals created the false dichotomy between gay rights and business owners' rights, because they don't particularly understand that just because your business shouldn't discriminate, doesn't mean it should be forced not to discriminate.

Where did RFRA fail? RFRA failed by specifically targeting Christian shop owners and their objections against gays, rather than pushing for a general law that rejects all post-1960s civil rights legislation and allows businesses to turn away or hire absolutely anyone they see fit (regardless of religious objection or anything else). Alas, politics is often a game of "death by a thousand cuts", so I can probably excuse it there as a general move toward business freedom. But what does Gov. Pence do when the backlash mounts? Rather than explaining this...he waffles rather than standing on this principle! Did he even sign this on that principle, or did he sign it because he hates those goddamn queers, and now all the money's going away? Guess he wasn't lying when he said he was a Christian first. That's going to be his thinking pattern in any position of authority.

The conservative solution? Skip RFRA and have the balls to say that no matter what your ideology, as a private establishment you have the right to serve and hire whoever you see fit. Cherry-picking your cause and then waffling on it kind of shows me you're more concerned about fucking over gays than you are upholding this value.

There are so many other problems with Mike Pence that I can point out. His support for TPP. His support for amping up the drug war. His support for the flag desecration amendment. Shit-talking Trump and then becoming his VP. And good luck solving the woman problem Trump has with his abortion stances, my personal views on abortion aside. Pence is your usual bureaucrat, a thoroughly unprincipled person who puts his religion/personal ideology above all else, including our very constitutional notion of personal liberty. He's a terrible pick as one heartbeat or impeachment away from the presidency, and with Trump's no-nonsense attitude, Trump stands a pretty good chance of getting fucked over even by his own party. If you loved George W. Bush, his big-government religious statism, and his utter evisceration of the economy, then I guess you'd find Pence to be a great replacement president. If it wasn't Hillary running on the other side, I'd seriously be forced to reconsider voting Trump, but at the end of the day, it's still pretty damn hard to be worse than a Clinton.
 
If it wasn't Hillary running on the other side, I'd seriously be forced to reconsider voting Trump, but at the end of the day, it's still pretty damn hard to be worse than a Clinton.

Yeah Trump is pretty much all that's bad about capitalism condensed into a single person, but as horrible as he is, still he is the better candidate, and that's a horrifying prospect of voting for the great evil against the even greater evil.
 
RFRA, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, was a bill touted at protecting the rights of Christian private business owners to run their establishment as they see fit.

What it actually did was unconstitutionally attempt to amend the Constitution by backdoor and impose a Congress-invented standard of judicial review. The decision finding it unconstitutional had nothing to do with gay anything (it was a zoning dispute), and was completely nonpartisan. City of Boerne v. Flores (1997). The Justices: Kennedy, Rehnquist, Stevens, Thomas, Ginsburg, Scalia. You don't often see those on the same side. RFRA was a direct attempt to overrule Scalia's opinion in Employment Division v. Smith, which stands for the general proposition that being a religion (or claiming to be a religion) gives you no license to break the laws that apply to everyone else.

To the extent the replacement law, the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), attempts the same thing, it is equally unconstitutional.
 
Realtalk, Pence was picked to try to court the Evangelical vote among the conservatives. But I'm not sure Pence will be enough to sway them (Trump is too flashy and self-aggrandizing for them) and they may just sit this election out.
 
Realtalk, Pence was picked to try to court the Evangelical vote among the conservatives. But I'm not sure Pence will be enough to sway them (Trump is too flashy and self-aggrandizing for them) and they may just sit this election out.

Trump also has been wishy washy on several of the conservative base's key platforms, for instance before he had presidential ambitions (well before THIS round of them anyway), he was outspokenly pro-abortion, and for single payer universal healthcare, and switched between the GOP, Dems, and Independce parties on a nearly yearly basis. He's done a complete aboutface, much like Regan did from his Hollywood days, and it's caused many dyed in the wool conservatives I know to hate him because they feel he'll change face again as soon as he's in office.

Clinton's problem will be convincing centrist voters to vote for her. Trumps might instead be getting his own voters to show up instead. I suspect no matter who wins it'll be the most bizarre election we've seen in ages.

Oh the salt there will be if it's another popular vote =/= electoral vote result.
 
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Realtalk, Pence was picked to try to court the Evangelical vote among the conservatives. But I'm not sure Pence will be enough to sway them (Trump is too flashy and self-aggrandizing for them) and they may just sit this election out.

Evangelicals are actually pissed at Pence because he doesn't want to kill the queers fast enough, or something.

Oh the salt there will be if it's another popular vote =/= electoral vote result.

Bush's team had a solid grasp on the electoral map issues. Trump doesn't even have a team.
 
Stephan Loomis said:
"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
"We are going to be looking very, very hard at anyone who has an open carry," he said. "An AR-15, a shotgun, multiple handguns. It's irresponsible of those folks -- especially right now -- to be coming downtown with open carry AR's or anything else. I couldn't care less if it's legal or not. We are constitutional law enforcement, we love the Constitution, support it and defend it, but you can't go into a crowded theater and scream fire. And that's exactly what they're doing by bringing those guns down there."
Thankfully Kasich can't just do that, and the RNC are able to actually exercise the right to carry a firearm. Especially in this age, I wouldn't blame them for bringing a gun for self defense or solidarity with law abiding gun owners. Imagine if some nobody senator from bumfuck district of Maine had said that, but on a national level or if they even said part of it. But it is telling that we haven't heard anyone call this out. And the fact it is a member of law enforcement even makes me feel uneasy, I understand why he thinks this, but isn't that part of why we have that right? Because the other is supposed to be stop a tyrannical government.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/

Oh, and on a side note
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lams-hillary-clinton-for-voting-the-same-way/
In in the interview, Trump was confronted with Pence's vote to authorize force in 2002 as a member of the House.

"I don't care," Trump responded.

"What do you mean you don't care?" asked Lesley Stahl, who conducted the interview.

"It's a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people," Trump said.

The real estate mogul said Pence was "entitled to make a mistake every once in a while."

But Clinton?

"No. She’s not," Trump said.
Yeah, this is the sort of shit where it might be a good idea to give a justification, because now I can see, not just Clinton ads, but just anti-Trump ads bringing this up. Personally, I can't fucking blame them.
 
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The RNC is currently flipping the fuck out. Apparently several delegates hostile to trump are still trying to push through new rules (after having just another change recently) that would unbind them, essentially allowing them to vote for who they wanted not their state primary result. Both sides are claiming their roll call vote was successful, before the party leadership said "no it failed", and now the anti-trump delegates are throwing a massive tantrum and disrupting proceedings.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-nevertrump-idUSKCN0ZY2GO
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nch-last-ditch-bid-to-disrupt-convention.html

Apparently all the delegates from Colorado and half from Iowa have straight up walked out.
 
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The RNC is currently flipping the fuck out. Apparently several delegates hostile to trump are still trying to push through new rules (after having just another change recently) that would unbind them, essentially allowing them to vote for who they wanted not their state primary result. Both sides are claiming their roll call vote was successful, before the party leadership said "no it failed", and now the anti-trump delegates are throwing a massive tantrum and disrupting proceedings.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-nevertrump-idUSKCN0ZY2GO
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nch-last-ditch-bid-to-disrupt-convention.html

Apparently all the delegates from Colorado and half from Iowa have straight up walked out.
This is a very good way to show Trump as a heroic leader representing the real people of America against the suppression of the elites
 
The RNC is currently flipping the fuck out. Apparently several delegates hostile to trump are still trying to push through new rules (after having just another change recently) that would unbind them, essentially allowing them to vote for who they wanted not their state primary result. Both sides are claiming their roll call vote was successful, before the party leadership said "no it failed", and now the anti-trump delegates are throwing a massive tantrum and disrupting proceedings.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-nevertrump-idUSKCN0ZY2GO
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nch-last-ditch-bid-to-disrupt-convention.html

Apparently all the delegates from Colorado and half from Iowa have straight up walked out.

lol audience members were yelling for the execution of Hillary Clinton
 
Me and a friend have been going through a certain artist's playlist, and I think we found the best alternate candidate for our next US President.

 
The RNC is currently flipping the fuck out. Apparently several delegates hostile to trump are still trying to push through new rules (after having just another change recently) that would unbind them, essentially allowing them to vote for who they wanted not their state primary result. Both sides are claiming their roll call vote was successful, before the party leadership said "no it failed", and now the anti-trump delegates are throwing a massive tantrum and disrupting proceedings.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-nevertrump-idUSKCN0ZY2GO
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nch-last-ditch-bid-to-disrupt-convention.html

Apparently all the delegates from Colorado and half from Iowa have straight up walked out.
Should just hold a knife fight. Would probably be under better control.
This is a very good way to show Trump as a heroic leader representing the real people of America against the suppression of the elites
It shows disarray within the party,half way through July. Despite picking someone who can sooth the social conservatives, it looks like Cruz missles among others are shitting it up.
 
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