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I am fine with characters dying when it is time, but the movie made Tony and Steve look so fucking awful. Tony refused to FIX THE SNAP PROPERLY cause "Muh KEEEDS" and Steve just fucking noped out..and gave the shield to the wrong guy.
Tony Stark probably ruined the lives of so many children, families, and the like because of his daughter. He also caused a lot of terrorist groups to rise up because he nor Hulk didn't think of any of the long term ramifications of the Reverse Snap (like it would've probably been better storytelling wise because the Avengers lost in Infinity War due to being unable to make sacrifices of other lives) like increased homelessness. Not to mention destabilized so many ecosystems because of all the excess plant and animal life.

This doesn't even include shit he'd have no knowledge of like the Celestial stuff in Eternals (but he has as much knowledge of it like most of the world since who the fuck watched that movie)

3. Professor Hulk. Aka the version of Hulk no one likes.
The MCU did the Hulk so dirty man, he used to be one of the most popular Marvel characters but because Disney is too cheap, they decide to not do anything interesting with him. Like outside his original movie, his best stuff was just in Avengers and Thor:Ragnarök
 
Tony Stark probably ruined the lives of so many children, families, and the like because of his daughter. He also caused a lot of terrorist groups to rise up because he nor Hulk didn't think of any of the long term ramifications of the Reverse Snap (like it would've probably been better storytelling wise because the Avengers lost in Infinity War due to being unable to make sacrifices of other lives) like increased homelessness. Not to mention destabilized so many ecosystems because of all the excess plant and animal life.

This doesn't even include shit he'd have no knowledge of like the Celestial stuff in Eternals (but he has as much knowledge of it like most of the world since who the fuck watched that movie)
It is worse than that, by not undoing the snap correctly..Tony probably ensured the extinction of entire species.

The Snap was completely Random yes? Which means that it did not account for things like species that were at the line of replacement so it is incredibly possible (and likely in an entire universe) that Thanos snap killed enough people on a planet to ensure that the species went below the population required to maintain their continued existence and Tony bringing that back might not have fixed that properly.

Also it ignored Pre-Contact planets..who would not understand what is going on..how many planets had people consider Thanos's snap to be a sign from the Gods and it was time to Suicide?

How many Wars started because of the snap? How many deaths happened as a consequence of someone vanishing at the exact wrong time?

Tony Stark is now probably responsible for more Deaths as a result of his actions than Human Beings have ever existed.
 
Wait, the snap killed vegetation as well? So when it was undone, did a bunch of trees and grass reappear on top of any urban development that happened during the 5 years since?

Did they think about this at all? Did anyone that reappeared from the second snap regenerate inside a wall or fixture?
 
How many Wars started because of the snap? How many deaths happened as a consequence of someone vanishing at the exact wrong time?
At the end of IW, we see an helicopter crashing, likely because the pilot disappeared. IICR, all people brought back did safely, so the pilot didn't show up in the middle of the air. Nevertheless, he knows he made it back, but the people who were with him died and wouldn't be brought back. Like him, millions of people now live with survivor guilt.

Wait, the snap killed vegetation as well? So when it was undone, did a bunch of trees and grass reappear on top of any urban development that happened during the 5 years since?

Did they think about this at all? Did anyone that reappeared from the second snap regenerate inside a wall or fixture?
No, as I said above, it was mentioned they all were meant to reappear safely (can't remember where). I'm assuming the same happened to the rest of living beings.

Btw, in comics, I think thanos only snapped conscious beings.
 
Watched Thunderbolts tonight. I honestly really liked it. Like someone said earlier, it would fit right in in the lineup of Phase 2 in terms of vibes. Surprising lack of bathos which was deeply appreciated as it let serious moments actually stick, and I really liked how they tried to use physical effects as much as they could. It actually looked like a real movie because of that and it was refreshing. I also liked the team themselves, which is probably due to almost every single character being played by super charismatic actors (aside from Ghost imo, who just kinda fades into the background). John Walker continues to be Best Boy.

Aside from Bob, the team's skillset isn't too diverse and much more suited to covert operations and low-to-middle scale threats (compared to shit like Thanos) which I hope (:optimistic::optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:) means that they'll be the Avengers equivalent of Black Ops and be sent in to do the dirty work and mop up political shitshows. Them being more oriented towards spy and political thriller stuff would be a fun change of pace compared to the rest of the current MCU and would allow for more comparatively low budget self-contained stories, rather than them getting dragged into yet more alien doomsday multiversal high-budget CGI-fest horseshit that has been almost the entirety of the MCU since Endgame. Let Sam's Diversity Hires handle that, I'm sick to death of it and I'd like for the characters I actually enjoy to get the interesting stuff.

Bob being the team's friendly, unassuming, sentient tomahawk missile is honestly kind of funny. I hope that this is how they use him in any future installments if they find themselves going up against anything that firearms and brute strength can't fix:

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Also, very late addition to my thoughts on this movie, but Sam Wilson is a little bitch for copyrighting the Avengers name and even more of a little bitch for suing his supposed best buddy Bucky over it.
 
It really should be Thor + Hulk at the top (and Thor should win, imo, due to smarts), Iron Man below that. Who can in turn beat Cap. Who can in turn beat Hawkeye and Widow. Then as movies go on, we can add in Strange, Wanda, Vision, Spiderman etc. in their appropriate places.
Would this count things like Stormbreaker, Iron Man's nanotech, or Scarlet Witch's Hex?
Making Walker a "bad guy" in the Falcon and Winter Soldier series was absolute Disney clownery at its finest.

Steve Rogers/Captain America: *has no problem killing Nazis and several terrorists throughout the entirety of the MCU*

Terrorist: *kills innocent people by the dozens or hundreds by blowing up buildings* *also murders Walker's comrade and best friend in cold blood*

Walker: *kills the terrorist because he won't stop killing*

Marvel: "John Walker is unworthy of Steve Rogers' shield, and everyone should dislike him."

Yeah? Well ...Fuck you too, Marvel.
I feel like it could have worked if it sparked a movement of people believing more heroes needed to kill like Walker, sort of like "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Less horror at his actions and more cheering encouraging of a bad role model. That way, it shows how Walker abused the mantle of Captain America to inspire hatred and fear.
Then theres recent stories like Hulk going to biblical hell
Wasn't that the same storyline where Banner learned Hulk was immortal?
Sorry to get off topic but did anyone else feel that Steve Rogers' arc throughout this entire series was fucked by Endgame? His whole story was about coming to terms with a world he didn't recognize, and moving on, and then they have him go back in time to live with Peggy Carter, thus rendering his entire arc pointless?
Don't forget how Peggy had a similar arc of dealing with losing the man she loved in her spinoff show.
Drax also never gets any meaningful interactions with Thanos despite what he did to his family (if anything he should've been the Guardian who lived at the end of Infinity War).
Sorry, the raccoon with a gun was more popular, so he gets more screentime than the one who lost his family to Thanos.
Professor Hulk. Aka the version of Hulk no one likes.
It's not a bad idea, but something as interesting as Banner and Hulk coming to an understanding is relegated to an offscreen event.

You could have at least planted the seeds better other than Hulk refusing to come out and fight. While Banner is fighting, the Hulkbuster Armor is destroyed, so the two talk in Bruce's mind before Hulk tags in.
 
How many Wars started because of the snap? How many deaths happened as a consequence of someone vanishing at the exact wrong time?
The snap and the reverse snap would both have cataclysmic effects on Earth, yet the films did such a half-assed job of covering the event and their consequences. The films have already stopped talking about it when in reality there would be ripple effects for centuries.
 
The snap and the reverse snap would both have cataclysmic effects on Earth, yet the films did such a half-assed job of covering the event and their consequences. The films have already stopped talking about it when in reality there would be ripple effects for centuries.
Well with the Snap, they immediately just cut to Endgame 5 years later, and only really explored the effects of the Reverse Snap with stuff like Eternals, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Far From Home.

The fact they explored it at all really makes it worse since if it was one thing that everything seemed to get back to the status quo aside from a few characters dying, but they try to look into the implications which really makes you think more of how disastrous the world must be because of Tony deciding on the Reverse Snap because "MUH 3000"
 
Sorry to get off topic but did anyone else feel that Steve Rogers' arc throughout this entire series was fucked by Endgame? His whole story was about coming to terms with a world he didn't recognize, and moving on, and then they have him go back in time to live with Peggy Carter, thus rendering his entire arc pointless? Very stupid. Black Widow as well, the most development she had in the entire series was:
>That one moment she kissed Steve in the mall as a diversion in Winter Soldier
>Bringing up how the Commies fucked up her womb in Age of Ultron
>Dying for one of the stones in Endgame
>The movie that no one watched that had terrible effects

And probably worst of all, the indecisive ship-bouncing between the male characters in just about any movie she's in.
>Iron Man 2, she baits Tony Stark as a SHIELD spy
>Avengers, it's implied she and Hawkeye were a thing for a bit
>Winter Soldier, it's even more blatant that she may have a thing for Steve
>Age of Ultron, her x Banner/Hulk baiting (even Tony makes a passing comment about them "playing hide the zucchini")

Then in Infinity War/Endgame I guess it's her and Steve? Then she dies.
Why did they fumble her so bad?
Y'know, for a character written by people who claim to be "feminists", they sure treat her like she's a common whore bouncing from cock to cock.
One aspect that I think worked with Black Widow shipping was putting her with Banner. In the early movies we see she is a consummate spy, seductress and manipulator. Even put with Loki she one-ups him. And if it doesn't work, like she gets caught by Steve downloading the information on the ship, she shrugs it off. "Natasha is comfortable with everything," as Fury remarks afterwards. The only time we see her really feel things are out of her control in the early movies is that scene with Banner in the shack where he really spooks her. You can't manipulate or play mind games with Hulk. He's just primal anger. He's the one person she's actually defenceless against. So in a way, shipping them as Age of Ultron did worked because you need to feel some kind of equality with your partner to be on a level.

because the Snap also killed off animal and plant life
Where did you get that from? In the snap scene we see people disappear, but the trees and foliage around are not dying, nor do I recall any bunnies and dear drifting away to dust. I think Thanos's idea was one of stopping resource consumption going out of control and ecosystems are resources to conscious beings as much as minerals. More so, in fact. So I don't think it would even be part of his motivation.

Of course any student of demographics knows the plan is futile even in that sense. A few generations pass and population would have rebounded even harder - like someone who has been on a crash diet and then over-compensates. If Thanos had wanted to really reduce population he would have focused on promoting feminism, women's education and employment. That's the main proven method of reducing birth rate.

Falcon and Bucky's entire current issue is entirely because Falcon got the Shield instead of Bucky. People would have been perfectly fine with Bucky being the new Cap.
Do you mean people as in the audience? Yes, probably. Or people in-universe? I think Captain America is a rather public facing role for someone with a list of political assassinations on his resumé. Not to mention the decades of mind-control are going to give people in government conniptions.

I think it would have been genius to go with the predestination route and have Steve always have been with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and think of the fact that there was already in an old Steve in the MCU timeline watching the events that he has been through as Captain America in the modern world play out in real time as he is living with Peggy.
That would lead to some rather morbid humour, with Old Cap having to sneak out when Young Cap came around (Old Cap is shown to live to Current Day) and poor dementia-addled Peggy saying things like "you look so young" take on a new level. "Uh, sure, Peg. That's cause I was frozen for fifty years" Meanwhile poor confused Peggy is thinking 'no, I mean you were seventy-four when you just ran out the back door'.

I'm guessing because they didn't think of introducing Reed Richards to handle the time travel stuff.
They should have used Hank Pym as he was still alive and time travel, quantum realm, etc. are far more in his range than Stark's. I'm kind of sensitive to the difference between Science and Engineering, being an engineer myself. And Stark is an engineer, not a physicist or research scientist. Obviously he's very smart but it's more a question of disciplines. Should be Pym or Richards or someone like that.

Would this count things like Stormbreaker, Iron Man's nanotech, or Scarlet Witch's Hex?
I'm sorry, I don't really know - I'm apparently not as well-up on comics as I thought since I got two replies to my comment one saying I was wrong and one saying I was right.

But I will say I hate Iron Man's nanotech. The suit in the first movie can have scientific suspension of disbelief. The biggest impossibilities with it are cooling and power generation/storage. And hidden scientific hand-waves are the easiest hand-waves to ignore. When you see his lab's arms fitting the suit around him, you can shrug and go, okay. His briefcase emergency suit at least has the nod of being much lighter and less capable than the regular one. But the push a button and this thing just grows around you like the venom symbiote is on the Dr. Strange level of "technology is magic" that only people who have no feel for tech at all can do. Tangent but that nanotech is one of the (many) things that turned me off later movies.

I feel like it could have worked if it sparked a movement of people believing more heroes needed to kill like Walker, sort of like "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Less horror at his actions and more cheering encouraging of a bad role model. That way, it shows how Walker abused the mantle of Captain America to inspire hatred and fear.
That's an interesting take and could have been a much deeper exploration. Sam and Bucky's concerns become more founded not because they think Walker was wrong so much as they see the very real movement growing that thinks this is a better Captain America. If you want to sell Walker's arc better, don't have the public react with horror, have them applaud. THAT is what would make the audience uneasy with it and the other heroes have less arbitrary reasons.
 
Where did you get that from? In the snap scene we see people disappear, but the trees and foliage around are not dying, nor do I recall any bunnies and dear drifting away to dust. I think Thanos's idea was one of stopping resource consumption going out of control and ecosystems are resources to conscious beings as much as minerals. More so, in fact. So I don't think it would even be part of his motivation.
Kevin Fiege said it in an interview

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Where did you get that from? In the snap scene we see people disappear, but the trees and foliage around are not dying, nor do I recall any bunnies and dear drifting away to dust.
During the scene when Hawkeye loses his family, you can listen how the sound of the birds disappears during the snap.

When people come back after the blip, Scott goes out to check and he notices the birds are chirping loud, hinting there are more birds because they're back.

Hemsworth and Mackie the only remotely healthy ones here. Simu looks like a little twink. No wonder girls don't want to touch his peepee.
Tatum looks fine too. He's got in real shape for this movie.
 
Do you mean people as in the audience? Yes, probably. Or people in-universe?
Yes the Audience.

I think Captain America is a rather public facing role for someone with a list of political assassinations on his resumé. Not to mention the decades of mind-control are going to give people in government conniptions.
almost like there is a built in Character arc there or something >.>

One they did..in the comic book.

The snap and the reverse snap would both have cataclysmic effects on Earth, yet the films did such a half-assed job of covering the event and their consequences. The films have already stopped talking about it when in reality there would be ripple effects for centuries.
Not just on Earth.

The Snap was Universal, there would be unintended consequences of just the Snap for centuries...much less just half undoing it by bringing everybody back.

Reverse Snap with stuff like Eternals, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Far From Home.
And Falcon and The Winter Soldier was just like "DO BETTER!" at handling the...most consequential pair of events in the history of the universe.
 
They got themselves into this mess by adding the five years span. I think it was immediate in the comics, right? If anything, one year was enough. It would have caused damage, but not that much.

Things like this really disprove any theory of how this was planned ahead. There is no way nobody mentioned the catastrophic effects of the snap that they'd have to deal with later in upcoming movies. I've seen the terrible effects of people on sick leave for one month, imagine half the universe disappearing for five years.

It was all to make Stark the main character. When you change full stories to make the popular actor the center of the story, this happens. At least Wolverine is a popular (or the most popular) x-men for real. Iron man wasn't the focus of IW, was he? It was Nebula who undid it all.
 
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