Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Overly Serious]

New trailer
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pAsmrKyMqaA

I still have strong reservations based on press comments and the whole RDJ as Doom. And I still find the casting weird. (Am I the only one who find's Johnny's face kind of weird? Honestly, same for Sue Storm. Thing seems to have nice manner about him, though). I am however more or less okay with sex-swapping Silver Surfer. Norad was never a particularly interesting or deep character and so long as the surfer remains (a) silver, (b) athletic and (c) stark naked, I feel the essentials are checked.

And I will at least say I like the aesthetic.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I still have strong reservations based on press comments and the whole RDJ as Doom. And I still find the casting weird. (Am I the only one who find's Johnny's face kind of weird? Honestly, same for Sue Storm. Thing seems to have nice manner about him, though). I am however more or less okay with sex-swapping Silver Surfer. Norad was never a particularly interesting or deep character and so long as the surfer remains (a) silver, (b) athletic and (c) stark naked, I feel the essentials are checked.

And I will at least say I like the aesthetic.

Looking at how Sue is drawn in the comics especially the latest run.

She is quite shorter than Reed but has big tits and hour glass body.

Something similar to Sydney Sweeney than the current pick.





Though I guess this is the opening movie so we won't see Sue try to make an air bubble inside Galactus's brain and make it explode.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I still have strong reservations based on press comments and the whole RDJ as Doom. And I still find the casting weird. (Am I the only one who find's Johnny's face kind of weird? Honestly, same for Sue Storm. Thing seems to have nice manner about him, though). I am however more or less okay with sex-swapping Silver Surfer. Norad was never a particularly interesting or deep character and so long as the surfer remains (a) silver, (b) athletic and (c) stark naked, I feel the essentials are checked.

And I will at least say I like the aesthetic.

They all look weird and very generic. The cast of the 2000s movies sold better their look as the F4.

I guess, the cast was made around Pascal, who's 50. You can't give him a too young and beautiful Sue otherwise he'll look like her dad.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

You can't give him a too young and beautiful Sue otherwise he'll look like her dad.

except thats sort of the canon, and they didn't bother with that in the 2000s films. Reed is a decade older than Sue there, and is said to be similar in age to Ben who is 2 decades older.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

You mean the one part of the city with the least amount of tall buildings? Isn't he mainly known for being around midtown where all the skyscrapers are? I know when Id play spiderman 2 it was a bitch trying to move across central park. In general spiderman is completely useless in queens

For a (lower) mid tier super hero, Spider-Man is one of if not the most versatile character in Marvel comics, nevermind in American comics altogether. Doesn't matter where he is, who's he is up against, and who he is ally up with.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

except thats sort of the canon, and they didn't bother with that in the 2000s films. Reed is a decade older than Sue there, and is said to be similar in age to Ben who is 2 decades older.

I know that, but how it looks in comics it's much different than how it looks IRL.

 

[TenMilesWide]

For a (lower) mid tier super hero, Spider-Man is one of if not the most versatile character in Marvel comics, nevermind in American comics altogether. Doesn't matter where he is, who's he is up against, and who he is ally up with.

It's kinda laughable to think spider-man needs to swing around on his webs to be effective. He's only barely less jacked than Captain America but with extrasensory powers and walking on walls thrown in, he doesn't need the webs to be a menace. They're not even one of his superpowers: he invented them as a gadget, on a whim, to fit the theme.

 

[Overly Serious]

Looking at how Sue is drawn in the comics especially the latest run.

She is quite shorter than Reed but has big tits and hour glass body.

Something similar to Sydney Sweeney than the current pick.

They all look weird and very generic. The cast of the 2000s movies sold better their look as the F4.

I guess, the cast was made around Pascal, who's 50. You can't give him a too young and beautiful Sue otherwise he'll look like her dad.

You know I usually avoid commenting on someone's looks but given the relevance in casting, I'm thinking this over and I actually don't find her attractive.


It may be influenced by her looking a lot like someone I know in real life (and whom I do not like) but even aside from that, I just don't think she's pretty. The above is with the benefit of professional make-up, styling and photography and she still looks... not that smart. Sue Storm is supposed to be a scientist in her own right as well as stunningly beautiful.

And because you mention height, I can't help noticing she's the same as Richards:


Something seems a little off somewhere because IMDB lists Pedro Pascal's height as 5'10" and hers as 5'7". Could he have lied about his height somewhere? It's not the biggest of deals but having re-watched the trailer I am put off by their looks. Mainly hers and Johnny's. There's something really weird about both of their faces. I don't know what it is, though. He looks like a Ken doll.


Maybe it's some weird post-production filter, I don't know. Feels off.

I think that this movie wont be as good as people hope. I think maybe there's going to be a lot of superficial nods to what people want from a Marvel movie - big comic book action and aesthetic and not ashamed of the source material. And that's good. But it's still made by these same people and I don't trust them. Maybe I'll be proven wrong - we can hope.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I think that this movie wont be as good as people hope. I think maybe there's going to be a lot of superficial nods to what people want from a Marvel movie - big comic book action and aesthetic and not ashamed of the source material. And that's good. But it's still made by these same people and I don't trust them. Maybe I'll be proven wrong - we can hope.

There is no Ryan Reynolds factor since Ryan was heavily invested in making things comic accurate to the point we got Yellow Suit Wolverine.

I still believe Pedro was a bad choice, and Pedro didn't even bother to shave himself for playing early era Reed.

 

[MrJokerRager]

For a (lower) mid tier super hero, Spider-Man is one of if not the most versatile character in Marvel comics, nevermind in American comics altogether. Doesn't matter where he is, who's he is up against, and who he is ally up with.

In the new Ultimates line.

The Maker is mentioned having placed Spiderman as the number one superhero to be stopped.

To the point he stops the spider from trying to bite Peter.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Johnny actor looks like someone digitally deaged Marc Blucas with a very old pc.

IMDB lists Pedro Pascal's height as 5'10" and hers as 5'7". Could he have lied about his height somewhere?

I know they aren't on the same level (Dance is wearing heels), but he's really not that tall. Chilean average is 5'8.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

For a (lower) mid tier super hero, Spider-Man is one of if not the most versatile character in Marvel comics, nevermind in American comics altogether. Doesn't matter where he is, who's he is up against, and who he is ally up with.

iirc isn't he one of the stronger (lifting) human-based Marvel guys?
like I recall something about him being a few classes above Cap?

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[TenMilesWide]

iirc isn't he one of the stronger (lifting) human-based Marvel guys?
like I recall something about him being a few classes above Cap?

In terms of actual on-panel feats yeah. First appearance of the green goblin had him fighting one on one with the Hulk (but he was more confused than angry at the time so not a full-power Hulk), in the original secret wars he bodied the main X-men cast and some of the Inhumans without breaking a sweat, and in newer books he's been shown standing in for the support struts on a plane's landing gear during a bumpy landing and holding up multi-story buildings to give people time to evacuate.

 

[The greater a'tuin]

It doesn't tho. There's a post-credit scene with the Punisher.

"Hmm, today I will give my hand to an extremely dangerous vigilante, what's the worst that could AUUUUGH HE SNAPPED MY ARM I COULD NEVER HAVE FORESEEN THIS"
Tired of characters acting stupid just so the plot can happen.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Spider-Man's strength is supposed to be in the 10 ton range, but it mostly depends on the writer. Some (like Marv Wolfman) wrote him as a pretty regular guy who could stick to walls and had webshooters, then on the other end of the spectrum you'd have the likes of Tom DeFalco having Spidey beat the shit out of Firelord (a former Galactus herald).

Captain America is the reverse -- he's supposed to just be a regular person pushed to the absolute limits of human biology, but more often than not he's written as a super human with super strength.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's kinda laughable to think spider-man needs to swing around on his webs to be effective. He's only barely less jacked than Captain America but with extrasensory powers and walking on walls thrown in, he doesn't need the webs to be a menace. They're not even one of his superpowers: he invented them as a gadget, on a whim, to fit the theme.

I'd say part of the assumption that webs are all Spider-Man can do could be attributed to the Raimi films making the webs a package deal with the spider bite. It's kind of like how the Superfriends cartoon made casuals assume Aquaman was weak.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I'd say part of the assumption that webs are all Spider-Man can do could be attributed to the Raimi films making the webs a package deal with the spider bite.

Organic webshooters are vastly superior to mechanical ones both thematically, character wise, story wise, and practically.

That's the one lesson marvel should have taken from raimi but didn't.

"Anyone can be spiderman... as long as you're megagenious level enough to create top end weaponized chemicals that put the military industrial complex to shame in your basement using soap and cleanex."

Nevermind the issue of "why the fuck is he still poor just sell the webshooter formula or cure cancer or something".

 

[TenMilesWide]

I'd say part of the assumption that webs are all Spider-Man can do could be attributed to the Raimi films making the webs a package deal with the spider bite. It's kind of like how the Superfriends cartoon made casuals assume Aquaman was weak.

And the fact that some 'tard at Marvel Editorial decided to run the plotline where mainline 616 Peter's webs become organic because some evil spider queen turned him into a giant hybrid monster (and then he got better), only finally reversing that in One More Day of all stories, with the plotline being consistently retarded since then...

"Anyone can be spiderman... as long as you're megagenious level enough to create top end weaponized chemicals that put the military industrial complex to shame in your basement using soap and cleanex."

Nevermind the issue of "why the fuck is he still poor just sell the webshooter formula or cure cancer or something".

Spoiler: More Sperging

I love that he tries in like issue 1 or 2 and the science nerds at [Corporate Chemical Laboratory] laugh him off because he formulated it to dissolve too quickly, like they're marveling at the strength and other physical properties and willing to pay him cash for the formula or production process... then he tells them it self-dissolves and they laugh in his face, tear up the check and kick him out the door even as he's trying to tell them he can rework it for longevity.
And then he got distracted by a supervillain and never tried again.
Genuinely enjoyed the parts of the Horizon Tech plotline where they were finally getting his inventions to market, if only it'd been written by someone sensible and all the characters weren't shit.

I still wish they'd leaned more into Miles not having the web shooters, that was a great little wrinkle and I loved the idea of him eventually getting skilled enough with all the other powers to just not need webs period, but then they handed him an old set of Peter's shooters and decided his fat asian friend is a enough of a chemistry whiz to reproduce the fluid, and each successive adaptation and rework of the origin pushes him getting webs earlier and earlier.

I'm happy with the web-shooters as a Peter Parker invention independent of the spider bite or "being spider-man", and quite enjoy the notion of a what-if timeline where he never got bit but still ended up a gadgeteer hero (possibly as a business partner of one Hobie Brown) with the webs as his signature invention. Miles can still be Spider-Man in that timeline if he wants to, but he'll have to pay the licensing fee on the webs.

Edit: it occurs that this could probably all go in the sperg about comic books thread instead of the MCU thread since it's not really related to any movie news.

 

[MrJokerRager]

And the fact that some 'tard at Marvel Editorial decided to run the plotline where mainline 616 Peter's webs become organic because some evil spider queen turned him into a giant hybrid monster (and then he got better), only finally reversing that in One More Day of all stories, with the plotline being consistently retarded since then...

Mary Jane being Venom now.

And since Miles is traveling to meet ultimate chud Peter.

Mainline Spiderman is going to hear from Miles he is a father married to Mary Jane in another universe. And Uncle Ben is alive.

And also has a better suit as well since it's a techno suit that talks.

And Jonah Jamison is frens with Uncle Ben and likes Peter.