Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Tor Lugosi said:
Captain America is the reverse -- he's supposed to just be a regular person pushed to the absolute limits of human biology, but more often than not he's written as a super human with super strength.
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Captain America was written as having the peak of human physiology (impossibly, as in the fastest AND the strongest AND the most agile when being any one of those things precludes also being the others) up until, I suppose, the Squadron Supreme comics, where he'd do things not even a peak human being could do. This was pushed further in the late 80s, and again in the 2000s with the ultimate cap. The movies seem to have him around a class 50 level of capability; not bulletproof but dense enough that little damage is done when he's shot multiple times through the guts and capable of shrugging off tons of force from blows by other super soldiers or Thanos. The second that a young Spiderman in civil war wasn't throwing him around like he was nothing, it was obvious they were going to push it. If you take Agents Of Shield as canon, they mention him shoving a 57-ton tractor around while some other character is working out.

If he was like the "un-powercreeped" comic book version, Thanos' punch in infinity war would simply have killed him. Nope, he can hold onto a helicopter trying to take off.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Spider-Man's strength is supposed to be in the 10 ton range, but it mostly depends on the writer. Some (like Marv Wolfman) wrote him as a pretty regular guy who could stick to walls and had webshooters, then on the other end of the spectrum you'd have the likes of Tom DeFalco having Spidey beat the shit out of Firelord (a former Galactus herald).

Captain America is the reverse -- he's supposed to just be a regular person pushed to the absolute limits of human biology, but more often than not he's written as a super human with super strength.
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I know I'm bringing in a DC character to a Marvel discussion, but I always thought Spidey was a perfect example of "strong as they need to be" that Superman ought be.

Superman's baseline strength is obviously far higher than Spidey's, but both should generally be able to be knocked around by their villains or the plot as need be till they get mad, lock in, and focus - and then you realize why Superman's the literal strongest and Spidey can take on low-key cosmic-tier threats. Conversely, Spidey should at least be able to give a genuine punch to even the Hulk, who I think absolutely ought be the strongest Marvel hero period in any given time with only Thor, Thing, and Colossus coming up to his baseline, followed by Beast and Iron Man.

I kind of like to imagine the A-list Marvel heroes baseline as Strongest - Hulk, Durable - Colossus, Technique - Thing (2nd to Colossus in durability), gimmick in lightning/flight - Thor (2nd to Hulk in strength), with various characters working from down there. Iron Man and Beast are strong and tough but not as much as the aforemtioned but IM's repulsor rays and flight, and Beast's genius and acrobatics, make up for that. Conversely Superman's the strongest and most durable but followed by Wondy who makes up for it being the best martial artist/warrior, Batman the utter genius of superheroes while being 2nd to Wondy in martial arts on the League, etc. I don't think they really contradict the concept of writing X vs Y in a story since a vaguely basic ranking lets you figure out a good in-universe way for weaker Y to defeat stronger X without necessarily bullshitting strength levels.
 
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All the characters look weird. Thing is probably the most 'normal' and 'human' out of them. I find this to be an odd choice, but I have no idea about the original comics. Just strange to see them put these WTC-esque buildings in the bottom left when it's from the 60s? I get the retro-future aesthetic but seems like a bad idea on that.

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Oilspill Battery said:
Nevermind the issue of "why the fuck is he still poor just sell the webshooter formula or cure cancer or something".
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But he doesn't want to cure cancer. He wants to catch thieves just like flies.
TenMilesWide said:
And the fact that some 'tard at Marvel Editorial decided to run the plotline where mainline 616 Peter's webs become organic because some evil spider queen turned him into a giant hybrid monster (and then he got better), only finally reversing that in One More Day of all stories, with the plotline being consistently retarded since then...
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Good job, One More Day. You may have fucked up the comics beyond repair long before Paul was a thing, but you did a single thing right.
TenMilesWide said:
I still wish they'd leaned more into Miles not having the web shooters, that was a great little wrinkle and I loved the idea of him eventually getting skilled enough with all the other powers to just not need webs period, but then they handed him an old set of Peter's shooters and decided his fat asian friend is a enough of a chemistry whiz to reproduce the fluid, and each successive adaptation and rework of the origin pushes him getting webs earlier and earlier.

I'm happy with the web-shooters as a Peter Parker invention independent of the spider bite or "being spider-man", and quite enjoy the notion of a what-if timeline where he never got bit but still ended up a gadgeteer hero (possibly as a business partner of one Hobie Brown) with the webs as his signature invention. Miles can still be Spider-Man in that timeline if he wants to, but he'll have to pay the licensing fee on the webs.
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As much as I like Miles Morales and the Spider-Verse movies, I have to agree with you there. He's already got two unique powers in addition to the standard Spider-Man powerset, so he doesn't really need the web shooters.

Compare this to Sam Wilson when he became Captain America. Even though he doesn't get the super soldier serum, he still has his Falcon wings to make up for it.
Prehistoric Jazz said:
If he was like the "un-powercreeped" comic book version, Thanos' punch in infinity war would simply have killed him. Nope, he can hold onto a helicopter trying to take off.
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In Cap's defense, he said he can do this all day.
 
IIRC Galactus can be as large or small as he wants to be. Obviously if he's going to snack on a planet he'll upsize appropriately, but I think his default size is 'only' a few hundred feet tall, as comic depictions show Silver Surfer as being more or less the size of Galactus's nose when they're drawn in the same panel.
 
Lone Star said:
literally everything in the MCU is.
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Tbh, comics are basically pulp slop coasting by on nostalgia, inertia, and low expectations, if they had to make the movies comic accurate it would make for pretty shit movies, and the movies are already shit so just try to imagine THAT.
 
JamFlowMan said:
How big is Galactus supposed to be because this just looks like the statue of liberty walking around in Ghostbusters 2?
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He can alter his size at will as other said. He also appears differently to any lifeform that sees him because hes supposed to be cosmically abstract and far above mortal perceptions. Although the movies are obviously going to nerf him and probably have gags with him falling down or being knocked around because they're basically just mid 2000's action comedies devoid of gravitas or sincerity.
 
BigBadBastich said:
He can alter his size at will as other said. He also appears differently to any lifeform that sees him because hes supposed to be cosmically abstract and far above mortal perceptions. Although the movies are obviously going to nerf him and probably have gags with him falling down or being knocked around because they're basically just mid 2000's action comedies devoid of gravitas or sincerity.
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Galactus was also relatively small when he appeared in the 90s Fantastic Four cartoon.
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Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Galactus was also relatively small when he appeared in the 90s Fantastic Four cartoon.
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yeah there are issues of having to fit him on the screen
like the how people complain about the spaceship fights in DS9 because all the ships are directly on top of each other, yes that's silly when you think about starship combat BUT a bunch of spaceships sitting alone firing a beam and then another spaceship sitting alone blows up makes for a shitty visual compared to the other
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
But he doesn't want to cure cancer. He wants to catch thieves just like flies.
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That argument is stupid. Curing cancer is not a walk in the park. There are many different kinds of cancer. Finding things that can fight it is very rare. He might be a chemist that developed a really good weblike glue but that does not mean he can cure cancer.
 
Incecticyder said:
That argument is stupid. Curing cancer is not a walk in the park. There are many different kinds of cancer. Finding things that can fight it is very rare. He might be a chemist that developed a really good weblike glue but that does not mean he can cure cancer.
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It was a more cogent argument in its original context.
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He really could use his genetic recombinator to cure cancer just like that. What a dick.
 
Your Starter for 10 said:
It turns out everyone agrees with Sauron's counter-argument. Fuck cancer-fags, we want dino-chads.
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We can rest assured that his dino-chads will be 100% cancer-free.

If they bring Sauron back again that should be his plan, get a lot more willing converts by saying "I have cured cancer, but you have to become a dino first."
You can't tell me Tim Harrison wouldn't have jumped at that, he'd clear out the make-a-wish demographic overnight.
 
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