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Finally saw Deadpool and Wolverine today.

I enjoyed it ... But it is most certainly a movie that you can pick apart, so I 100% understand where the people who didn't like it are coming from. I agree with @Basic Blond Boy's sentiment that it's a lesser Spider-Man: No Way Home (I really enjoy No Way Home, btw). For what it is, though, I had a good time ... But it's nowhere near as good as the first Deadpool movie.

What made this movie work for me was Hugh Jackman. He really IS one of the GOATs in capeshit movies, and I was truly reminded of that here. He was the heart and emotional core of this movie, and Hugh did not phone it in whatsoever. Everyone loves Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but really ... He's underrated as an actor in general.

Seriously, what the fuck, Hugh? This level of acting in an MCU movie? You didn't have to go this hard, but you did, and all fans thank you for it.


And while Ryan Reynolds is still perfect as Deadpool, I thought that the emotional parts with him didn't land as well as Wolverine's did. A lot of it felt rushed. "Oh, he's a loser and a nobody because he got rejected by the Avengers, which led to him getting dumped by Vanessa." Eh. I don't really buy that. lol. I absolutely adored Vanessa in the first Deadpool movie, and the little bits of her character we saw in Deadpool 2 were good ... But I thought her character was ridiculously underutilized and neutered in this movie. I mean, it's cool that it's implied they got back together at the end, but I wasn't feeling their chemistry at all in this movie ... Which is a problem considering their chemistry in the first two movies (especially the first) was off the charts.

I know a lot of people will probably brush my complaints off as "Well, Deadpool is a comedic character, so the drama parts aren't his strong suit already." Yeah, well, they pulled off the dramatic moments really well in the first two Deadpool movies. Just sayin'.

All in all, I had a fun time with this, and I actually appreciated the fact that this was more for the "Fox" Marvel fans instead of the MCU fans. A good portion of the jokes landed for me, and it seemed that everyone involved actually gave a shit about making the fans happy ... Which is more than what I can say about most things nowadays.

I will take abundant fanservice over overt shoehorning of ~*the message*~ any day. With the flaws that the movie has, there's also what appears to be the best of intentions too. I didn't feel like the movie hated me. I guess that's where the bar is these days. :lol:

I was also pleasantly surprised that there were actually a handful of jokes insulting woke weirdos in this movie. In my packed theater, all 3-4 of those jokes got a small round of applause.
 
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starborn427614 said:
Some are, but even characters like Gambit get their moment to shine. Johnny is really the only notable cameo who gets outright punked
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Sabertooth got punked hard as well. Years of fans clamoring for the Wolverine match because X-Men screwed it up, only for him to have his head ripped off in 5 seconds.

The rest of the cast outside of DeadPool and Wolverine were fine, but didn’t do anything all that memorable. I reference No Way Home as you at least get the sense the characters had lives after their respective films. Some stories even got nice payoffs. D&W is just smashing action figures together. It doesn’t insult them, but they feel like they are only here for the “I saw thing I liked and clapped” moment.
StarkRavingMad said:
I enjoyed it ... But it is most certainly a movie that you can pick apart, so I 100% understand where the people who didn't like it are coming from. I agree with @Basic Blond Boy's sentiment that it's a lesser Spider-Man: No Way Home (I really enjoy No Way Home, btw). For what it is, though, I had a good time ... But it's nowhere near as good as the first Deadpool movie.
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I can agree on the acting. I think my biggest Hangup with this film is it doesn’t really work as a finale to anything.

As a Deadpool movie, everything that made those films is gone. His love story that shaped the first is absent. It is also missing the great relationship dynamics of Deadpool 1&2 given Colossus and Mega Sonic are absent outside of the party scene. Vanessa and those two do not get enough credit for how much they reeled back DP and gave it more of a heart than generic superhero film but with 4th wall breaks. The humor is also heavily neutered to be more safe for Disney.

As a Wolverine film, Logan already stole this one’s thunder. We now have a “different” Wolverine who is missing the wider franchise that helped build Jackman’s version.

As a send off to Fox, it was just cameos with little added. As explained above, No Way Home did the work to build it’s returned cast up a bit more, whereas D&W just places them in the film.

The film is just mediocre. I can’t say I am mad over it, but nothing really sticks out and am more just disappointed by how safe it all feels.
 
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Sorry, for some reason I can't quote or reply to your post, so I'll tag you @Basic Blond Boy

Personally, I thought that this Wolverine/Logan was different enough from the Wolverine/Logan from Logan that it justifies Hugh Jackman's return. And trust me, I am saying this as someone who was originally very disappointed when Deadpool 3 was announced as Deadpool and Wolverine, because I didn't want it to tarnish the perfect swan song that was Logan for Hugh Jackman.

Wolverine 100% stole this movie from Deadpool-- all of the best stuff involved him and his character arc. Also, after 25 years, it's not only satisfying to see Hugh Jackman finally wear the Wolverine suit and mask, but it's also satisfying to hear his character finally say (with tears in his eyes) "I'm proud to be an X-Man." That actually got me in the feels a little bit.

In Logan, we never saw him accept his status as an X-Man for himself. It was a group of kids who ultimately saw him as the hero they all read in their comic books, which was awesome and heartwarming to see, don't get me wrong ... But it feels good to actually hear Wolverine say it about himself after all of this time, you know? And again, Hugh Jackman's acting just sold it for me.

I was never expecting for this movie to upstage Logan (which ... It doesn't, plain and simple), but I was pleasantly surprised that bringing back Hugh Jackman felt much more justified than I was expecting, IMO.

I mostly agree with you about the cameos. While fun, they didn't have the same punch as the cameos from No Way Home. Lots of people like to pick apart No Way Home, but it's definitely a much better story than Deadpool and Wolverine. The cameos didn't feel stupid or disrespectful though, like, let's say, Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. They don't get anywhere near that bad, but they are just cool cameos but not much more than beyond that.

I also agree with you in regards to how a lot of the Deadpool 1 & 2 characters were treated as afterthoughts. While it was cool to see Channing Tatum as Gambit (he did a great job, btw) and Wesley Snipes back as Blade ... I would have preferred Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead to find their ways into the finale over the fun cameos.

This is definitely a movie that's more fanservice than story, there's no arguing that. The flaws are totally there, wide out in the open ... But, like I said in my other post, I'll take fanservice over whatever the hell most movie franchises are doing today by treating their fans with the utmost disdain.

EDIT: You can also clearly tell that Ryan Reynolds wanted to dog on the MCU so much more. I can guarantee there were negotiations made: "Ok Ryan, you can joke about us ... But only this much-- there's lines you can't cross." I'm glad this movie got the R-rating and earned the R-rating, but I do agree that there's some stuff being held back compared to the first two Deadpool movies.

For example ... The opening credits. Yes, the opening credits this time around were really fun, but there's nothing in those credits that insults anyone involved in making the movie this time around. I couldn't help but notice that immediately. I don't think that Kevin Feige's ego would allow them to have in the opening credits, "Produced by an Asshat." :lol:
 
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Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Because Cavill gives enough of a shit that he’d raise a stink if Doom was written out of character would be my guess.
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There were literally rumors of him leaving the Amazon Warhammer 40K after the female Custodes retcon (ironically, going by recent reports, it might get shelved later anyway), so yeah his autism could legitimately lead to him doing all the writing.
 
I have one more thing that was pissing me off about some of the newer MCU movies but it went overboard in Deadpool 3.

This movie is utterly incomprehensible to new viewers.
You have to watch 20 other movies and a TV show in order to understand what the fuck is happening.
I acquired a totally legal copy of the movie and watched it at home with this one girl I know.
She generally likes action and comedy movies but she maybe saw 3 MCU movies and they were all standalone.
She had no fucking clue what was happening and why.
That's how most people will experience this movie.

Not to mention, imagine how this will be viewed in the future when the MCU and Fox's X-Men will be gone from public discourse.
Deadpool 1 and 2, you can watch that without any homework.
Especially the 1st one is a great date movie.
This requires you to study like you want to get into MIT.
Nobody aside from old fucks who grew up with this crap will be watching this in 10-20 years.
Meanwhile, stuff like the Nolan or Raimi capeshit trilogies will definitely be watched by future generations because they're self contained.

This movie will not stand the test of time.
 
Idiotron said:
I have one more thing that was pissing me off about some of the newer MCU movies but it went overboard in Deadpool 3.

This movie is utterly incomprehensible to new viewers.
You have to watch 20 other movies and a TV show in order to understand what the fuck is happening.
I acquired a totally legal copy of the movie and watched it at home with this one girl I know.
She generally likes action and comedy movies but she maybe saw 3 MCU movies and they were all standalone.
She had no fucking clue what was happening and why.
That's how most people will experience this movie.

Not to mention, imagine how this will be viewed in the future when the MCU and Fox's X-Men will be gone from public discourse.
Deadpool 1 and 2, you can watch that without any homework.
Especially the 1st one is a great date movie.
This requires you to study like you want to get into MIT.
Nobody aside from old fucks who grew up with this crap will be watching this in 10-20 years.
Meanwhile, stuff like the Nolan or Raimi capeshit trilogies will definitely be watched by future generations because they're self contained.

This movie will not stand the test of time.
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You're correct. This is ultimately the problem with the MCU. And it's going to be a problem with James Gunn's DCU (seriously, fuck the DCU-- James Gunn's announcements have come across as a college semester syllabus and ain't nobody got time for that).

On top of that, the MCU is producing garbage in high volumes too. They're going full quantity over quality now. People had the patience for it for the Infinity Saga ... They don't have patience for it now, especially when it's rare for the MCU to produce something good anymore.

There's a reason why people still talk about the Nolan batman movies and the Raimi Spider-Man movies, young and old alike.
 
Deadpool and Wolverine is disposable fast food. It's for right now, not to be a long-term classic. It satisfied people.

The MCU skated by a lot of mediocre material because of good casting and good characters. People were following them, knew them and the films could just do a reasonable job at delivering good entertainment with them. Could they average person going into Civil War really remember all the plot, nope but it didn't matter.

All the stuff that's worked post Endgame has been because of good characters that didn't forget or stuff up the character. Then a lot of it was just people we don't care about. Things then hinging on plots we don't remember. No one was interested in seeing a sequel to Captain Marvel, so why would they watch Not Nick Fury in a series that is a sequel and no one remembers the skrull plot and it seems stupid.
 
FatR said:
Multiverse shit as undestood by comics/Hollywood nowadays is just a form of causality cancellation.
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Idiotron said:
I have one more thing that was pissing me off about some of the newer MCU movies but it went overboard in Deadpool 3.

This movie is utterly incomprehensible to new viewers.
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We're finally seeing the first truly comic book-accurate blockbuster films: self-referential, meta-heavy clusterfucks that don't have any story to speak of, can't stand on their own, and give no reason to care about anything that's happening, other than seeing things you recognize from other capeshit movies. It's especially weird seeing the old Fox characters dragged through it, since they date from waaaaay back when superhero movies were never played straight -- they either had to go for comedy/camp or downplay their comic bookiness as much as possible. If they'd tried to get a Blade/X-Men crossover movie off the ground in the early aughts, it would've been laughed at. They sure as hell weren't going to team up with Lou Ferrigno's Hulk or anything like that. Amazing that massive, high-budget hit movies have become THIS autistic.
 
If Deadpool & Wolverine was supposed to give you a similar feeling to being told you have to read some superhero comic crossover and in order to get the "full story" you have to read every issue involved as it sprawls ungainly through what seems like a dozen titles, then I guess the mission was accomplished.

"No, you see you also need issues #21-#23 of Astounding Space Homos and read them concurrently with issues #18 and #20 of Vengeance Battalion (but not #19, that's a brief return to that series' main storyline) in order to appreciate the prelude to the "Multiverses Multiversing" crossover, which eventually concludes in issues #30 of Captain Whosis, #28 of The Wing-a-Ding Patrol and #42 of Bloodstrikeklawforce,,,and issues-"
 
Whether the movie is great or terrible is one thing, but my beef is with how unbelievably defensive the MCU fanboys are being. If you say anything even vaguely critical you're "miserable" or "taking it too seriously." I don't know, if someone not falling in line with the popular opinion makes you so aggressive, maybe the film isn't as good as you're presenting.
 
Idiotron said:
This movie is utterly incomprehensible to new viewers.
You have to watch 20 other movies and a TV show in order to understand what the fuck is happening.
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No you fucking don't. I swear to god, superhero movies make people retarded.

No one watched Raiders of the Lost Ark and claimed they couldn't understand the plot because they weren't able to see how Indy and Sallah met or know why Indy broke up with Marian. Normal adult humans can assume that characters lived lives and had experiences prior to the events of the film. Superhero movie fans act like, "well, no one would understand Raiders unless they first watched the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and read this out-of-print Dark Horse comic from 1995."

Is the movie more enjoyable if you understand the references? Absolutely, 100% yes.

Is the movie incomprehensible without that knowledge? Absolutely not.

The actual floor of knowledge you need to possess to understand the film on a fundamental level:
-That Disney and Fox are media companies that makes Marvel movies.
-That the Avengers are a team of super heroes.
-That the X-Men are a team of mutants.

And unless you are literally from some African tribe that has yet to invent electricity, you probably understand those three things.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
And unless you are literally from some African tribe that has yet to invent electricity, you probably understand those three things.
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I wondered why there was a lack of footage from the Blade movies in the retrospective during the end credits. Was it because Wesley Snipes that much of a sperg and had leverage where he agreed to do the cameo as long as the Blade movies were not shown? Or did some numbskull in the studio thought it would be better to show footage of the later X-Men installments and the 2015 Fantastic Four?
 
AllieKat said:
That nigger is in full cope mode

"I dunno why RDJ got a second chance and I didn't?"

Well you jigaboo, drug charges isn't wife beating. Also you're basically the George Floyd of Hollywood. RDJ is an actual actor. Go shove that coffee cup you carry everywhere up your ass.
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I really wish we could actually tell him, "Yes. it IS because you're a nigger."
 
Didn’t think DW was near as funny as previous Deadpool movies and really felt like the runtime was dragging by halfway through. Didn’t hate it but think that it really cements how dead superhero genres are. I’d put it above no way home but that’s because the only part on no way home I enjoyed were seeing Toby back
 
LightDragonman1 said:
Thoughts on this critique of D&W?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W2OIViXA2rM
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Hi Top films is kind of a fag, no?

He praised Birds of Prey and hated Logan. Objectively wrong answers. :lol:

Stab You in the Back said:
Is the movie more enjoyable if you understand the references? Absolutely, 100% yes.

Is the movie incomprehensible without that knowledge? Absolutely not.
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That's the point of what people are saying, though.

It's hard to follow a movie when you have no emotional investment in it ... And this movie mostly depends on the viewer's nostalgia for the Fox Marvel movies and for people to have seen most of the MCU.

I wouldn't say that the movie is incomprehensible ... But it's certainly dependent on the decades worth of capeshit films to make people care about it. Raiders didn't have that, so I don't think that comparison is fair.

Deadpool and Wolverine is a fun time at the movies, especially in a crowded theater ... But I don't think it's going to stand the test of time like some of the classics have. And I think that's because the story of the film is the weakest part of it by far, and it's totally going to get picked apart eventually.
 
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