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Just saw D&W today. It honestly wasn’t that good, and I don’t know why it is considered a good send off. To me, it felt like a worse No Way Home, which in and of itself was a movie I didn’t think was all that great.

To start with the good, action scenes were pretty good. I think the music heavily carried many scenes, but the film did have a good energy to it. As cringe as it may be Bye Bye Bye being played made for a memorable opening, I’m With You was a fun song for the car scene. Also loved Bring ‘em Out for the pre-battle scene with Team X had me invested. I really took to this film based on soundtrack I guess.

As for the bad, where do we even begin:

The plot is basically nonexistent, so definitely don’t go if you want any sort of actual story.

The entire set up to the film is overly convoluted and makes little sense given Deadpool sort of just seems to work both within and out of the reality. Like, I genuinely cannot tell what is happening a good chunk of the time as I don’t know whether Deadpool is operating within the universe or being meta. This especially affects the humor of the film as I feel some jokes would work better if they were set in one-or-the-other.

A big example for me would be the entire Happy Hogan shtick at the beginning. My brain processed this scene as Deadpool asking Marvel to let him in given how meta everything is, but no, it is set within the MCU? First off, how the did Deadpool travel to another universe, the Cable’s time travel device doesn’t make sense?
Second, the scene is just a mess humor wise. Because it is MCU a good chunk of opportunity just gets evaporated. The “big man” should have been Stan Lee, with a nice nod to his passing, but instead it is Tony. Deadpool still makes meta quips which, doesn’t make sense to speak about his films to an actual superhero team, rather than the company producing their films.

Side note: I feel like knowing the production history and how someone died on the set of Deadpool 2 really makes that former cast “didn’t test well” joke not land.

I get this is sort of a sperg thing to write about, but I want to express why this movie didn’t work for me and this scene is a good example. Had it been Deadpool auditioning at Marvel studios, most of the joke would have landed and created a decent scene.

Beyond stuff like that, humor was just lacking. Every joke felt like either Ryan expressing his deep-seeded homosexuality, cussing or some meta joke about the Disney-Fox merger. I don’t think this film had any other jokes. If you weren’t in the know of the behind the scenes of these actors or these projects, nothing would land.

Even for meta jokes, I felt like I were better ones that could have been used. I thought the Honda scene would end with Deadpool commenting on how they have been listening to the same Avril Lavigne song for hours, instead got an overly dragged out joke about why Logan’s costume sucks. I also thought Deadpool’s job after missing the Avengers would be Free Guy, but I guess he just sells cars.

For another one, I am surprised at how this film mentions DC Comics multiple times, yet the multiple Deadpools scene doesn’t have a DeathStroke styled Deadpool. Like, they totally could have had a black and orange Deadpool pop out at the end and have Deadpool go, “ah not this jackass, I guess I shouldn’t have pissed off you-know-who earlier.” It would at least be a cute nod to the fact that Deadpool started as a parody knock-off of DC’s character.


When it comes to respecting the Fox Legacy, this movie just isn’t it.
Both Wolverine and Deadpool get Last Jedi tier retcons to turn them into losers everyone hates. Deadpool loses his GF and the rest of the last movie’s cast is irrelevant so Deadpool can be mocked by everyone. The Wolverine in the film is some new loser Wolverine everyone hates, lives a shitty life with no accomplishments and wants to kill himself.

As for the others, they really aren’t much better:
  1. Elektra - Irrelevant
  2. Blade - Probably the best, but still irrelevant
  3. X23 - Try to have a thing with Wolverine, but also irrelevant.
  4. Gambit - Funny accent man, costume looks pretty bad. I think it’s the Injustice 2 Superman helmet as it makes his face look fat.
  5. Johnny Storm - randomly bursts into Deadpool style cussing sessions now, also given the most horrific death.
  6. Daredevil - but of a joke
  7. Sabretooth - A bait-and-switch for audiences that wanted to see him fight Wolverine. Dies pitifully
  8. The rest - who cares, they barely add anything.

As for the villains, I thought female Xavier was fine.

The TVA man was a poor villain. Surprised Deadpool, an irrational killing machine, did not pop a cap in this dick. He literally stood right next to him wearing a full arsenal and it wasn’t like the guy had any reason to be kept alive either. Deadpool just doesn’t kill him even though he is threatening an entire universe and trying to kill his friends.
 
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Allow me a bit of nerding here, but I find the hype about Wolverine and Laura funny considering that during her 2010 run, he was such a bad father figure she wanted to kill herself even harder that she already wanted.
Was that the bishi bullshit with jubilee and gambit? Because I dropped that shit so fucking quick. Laura was a great character when she was effectively Marvel's Cassandra Cain but they ran out of ideas for her really quick.

This is like the third time I have seen Channing Tatum in a cameo and assumed it was some actor I've never seen before. He looks like a mannequin. If I passed by five exact clones of Channing Tatum at the grocery store, I probably wouldn't even notice that the Matrix was glitching.
Yeah I spent at least a minute squinting and trying to figure out if it was him or Josh Hartnett or whoever played him in Origins or somebody else I was supposed to care about.

I also like how it subverted my expectations and made me clap with things I remember from other movies.
Between DP3, No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness I've come to realize that the only times I've actually enjoyed myself watching anything since Endgame, it has basically just been me shamelessly soyjaking at pandering callbacks to my childhood. Which is... sort of sad in itself, but also speaks volumes to how dogshit it's all been if that's the high point.

I'll probably watch Daredevil: Born Again, but there's not a single other production I'm interested in at all.
Either that or it’s a Tony from another Universe because this multiverse nonsense won’t go away.
This is 100% what I'm expecting, it's just going to be "evil alternate universe tragic backstory Tony". I wouldn't be surprised at all if they lift the Kang plot wholesale and just stick it on Tony Stark, since it was already basically "megalomaniacal genius with advanced tech goes on morally dubious crusade because he's a control freak and thinks he knows better than everyone", which is basically Civil War again.
Lib millennial women have never got over our dislike for She Hulk. That's why we must hate it harder.
Buddy I don't even remember it exists unless someone mentions it.
"The death of one is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

Pretty mindblowing that given their politics, Disney doesn't grasp this quote. The human mind cannot comprehend the death of so many on an emotional level. When half of the universe died in Infinity War, that wasn't what made us respond emotionally. It was the death of a handful of characters we knew and liked. Upping the ante to "TRILLIONS OF TRILLIONS!" isn't going to get much more either.
Are you really surprised at Disney expecting to successfully tug at heartstrings using a hyperbolic unbelievable offscreen death toll? Hint: six million.
 
Watched D&W and couldn't help but wonder why Wesley Snipes' Blade is so much cooler and more charismatic than Chadwick Boseman's Black Panther. Is it just because Boseman played Black Panther as a weepy fag?
 
Because Wesley Snipes is a cool motherfucker from times when being a cool motherfucker was motherfucking cool, and cool motherfuckers are 10x cooler in motherfucking times that aren't cool.
 
Watched D&W and couldn't help but wonder why Wesley Snipes' Blade is so much cooler and more charismatic than Chadwick Boseman's Black Panther. Is it just because Boseman played Black Panther as a weepy fag?
Wesley Snipes is known for refusing to even come on set of his character isn't written as the most badass cool motherfucker in existence.

Which today is a good thing since such characters are in extremely shorty supply in comparison to the whiny fag characters.
 
I've always been of the opinion that the main reason Majors was hired is that he bears a striking resemblance to the late George Floyd and he was hired right around the time everyone was fawning over Floyd and treating him as nigger Jesus.

It certainly wasn't his acting chops. Prior to being cast as Kang his only real acting credit was being in the poorly received and cancelled after one season LoveCraft Country.
I never watched LoveCraft Country, and it did seem to just drop off the radar. Why did it do so badly?

@xXx State of the Union Some of the alternate timeline (Multiverses are different - mostly) stuff can be good, as far as comics go, like StevieLasVegas mentioned Spider-Girl. There's a decent one off What If? comic based around Wolverine and Daken (his half Japanese, half Canadian son, who was born at the end of the Second World War). Instead of presuming his wife and son are dead, he ends up fighting, and possibly killing the Winter Soldier, then raising Daken by himself in the mountains of Japan. Sabretooth shows up, too.

I also like the one where Spidey joined the Fantastic Four, which became the Fantastic Five, which sort of happened twice, due to their being another timeline where Pete has an F4 style costume.

There's also a story where Wolvie, Spidey, Hulk, and Ghost Rider, are manipulated by a Skrull woman into believing that three of Four are dead, save "Sue", and inspires them to form a New Fantastic Four. There's more on 'em in these links. The second link contains a couple of cool images: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/New_Fantastic_Four_(Earth-616)

@dick brain This is a prime opportunity to bring up that I like Gambit's Horseman of Death look.
 

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I never watched LoveCraft Country, and it did seem to just drop off the radar. Why did it do so badly?
It's not very well acted or written and the plot is an even more blatant and openly racist version of that "what if white people were the real monsters" thing Jordon Peele does.

Much like the Watchmen TV show it was one of many openly anti white shows made in the wake of George Floyd's death that fared poorly in the ratings once the hysteria started to die down.
 
It's not very well acted or written and the plot is an even more blatant and openly racist version of that "what if white people were the real monsters" thing Jordon Peele does.

Much like the Watchmen TV show it was one of many openly anti white shows made in the wake of George Floyd's death that fared poorly in the ratings once the hysteria started to die down.
Oh, well, when you put it like that, why am I not surprised... *Groan!*
 
Because Wesley Snipes is a cool motherfucker from times when being a cool motherfucker was motherfucking cool, and cool motherfuckers are 10x cooler in motherfucking times that aren't cool.
Blade 1 also fucking rocks. And we are never having any Marvel movie like that ever again. Disney's not risking to giving us a literal bloodbath in a intro scene like they did. They watch Blade and wonder "where are the jokes?" Deadpool is the most R we're having and it's quite mid for people used to movies like Blade.

Was that the bishi bullshit with jubilee and gambit? Because I dropped that shit so fucking quick. Laura was a great character when she was effectively Marvel's Cassandra Cain but they ran out of ideas for her really quick.
Yes, but it was good and a good use of Gambit being Uncle Gambit for lost kids after so many years of him just being there doing nothing.
 
When it comes to respecting the Fox Legacy, this movie just isn’t it.
Both Wolverine and Deadpool get Last Jedi tier retcons to turn them into losers everyone hates. Deadpool loses his GF and the rest of the last movie’s cast is irrelevant so Deadpool can be mocked by everyone. The Wolverine in the film is some new loser Wolverine everyone hates, lives a shitty life with no accomplishments and wants to kill himself..

As for the others, they really aren’t much better:
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Yeah, this one aspect where I feel like No Way Home does far better. In that film, even a character as goofy and retarded as Amazing Spider-Man Electro is given more respect than any of the cameos in D&W, who are pretty much just treated as punchlines.
 
Yeah, this one aspect where I feel like No Way Home does far better. In that film, even a character as goofy and retarded as Amazing Spider-Man Electro is given more respect than any of the cameos in D&W, who are pretty much just treated as punchlines.
Some are, but even characters like Gambit get their moment to shine. Johnny is really the only notable cameo who gets outright punked
 
Some are, but even characters like Gambit get their moment to shine. Johnny is really the only notable cameo who gets outright punked
Well, Affleck's DD died offscreen for a gag about his divorce with Jennifer Garner.

Also, I think every other character in their universes might have died, or something? Wasn't all that clear on the "plot", sorry.
 
Multiverse shit as undestood by comics/Hollywood nowadays is just a form of causality cancellation. Sure, it can be theoretically written as just having a bunch of weird parallel dimensions existing. But in practice it is causality cancellation. Like all causality-canceling narrative devices (the other common example is time travel), it is extremely easy to misuse, so that either the story collapses under the weight of paradoxes, or, more commonly, the audience realizes that since anything can happen and un-happen at writers' whim, nothing actually matters (see for a non-Marvel example, how the Terminator franchise trainwreck). You can write interesting time travel or Multuverse stories, but unless "nothing matters" is an intentional plot point, you need to exercise great restraint in how exactly you disregard causality.

Well, as Endgame already made evident, MCU writers did not have that restraint. That they would use some causality-warping bullshit, whether it takes form of travelling in time, or across parallel universes (or, as it happened, both), to undo the Snappening and revive the dusted half of the cast was predictable from get-go. But as we all know they did not stop at that. They immediately succumbed to the temptation of actually resetting characters when it was convenient for the plot and generally do whatever the fuck they wanted. And it got worse from there.
 
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After seeing D&W it occurred to me, why didn't Marvel announce Henry Cavill would be Doom?

Also one of the previews was the new Captain America and I noticed they did minor change. It does not show President Ross being shot at. I wonder if that was done after what happened to Trump.
 
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