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SteelPlatedHeart said:
It’s fun to see The Marvels stans being incredibly salty about the positive reception to the trailer.
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Yeah, it’s almost like something that’s filmed interestingly and looks fairly practical is more cool to look at than some fake ass greenscreen crap that looked like people just standing there filmed completely flat.
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this is literally some ten-year-old making an argument about shonenshit level point, that "the swirly pile of crap was more powerful in the show, so it's cooler than the thing that looks actually cool"
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I don't care for Deadpool anymore. He probably did more damage to popular culture with fourth wall breaks and snark than any deliberate act of subversion ever did.
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It's amazing how quickly that style of humor palls, this particular sort of overly aggressive snarky, crude, fourth-wall-breaking humor is so annoying and unfunny and has been for ages. One example for what seems like ages ago is ABC's Moonlighting (1985–89) and I recalled attempting to watch it some years ago and just one episode of it was filled with enough zany, constant fourth-wall breaks and direct asides to the audience, it was so annoying and cringe it will make any viewer want to travel back in time in hopes of derailing Bruce Willis' career in some way. This sort of humor, especially in our post-Whedon era of media often results in unwarrantedly smug writing and/or acting and ages worse than raw meat left out on a kitchen counter. The Deadpool films have this in spades what with Ryan Reynolds smarming it up to toxic levels while behaving like a comedian that laughs at his own jokes.
 
Don't care much about Deadpool, but I do love how easily this teaser pissed off the TV She-Hulk fanbase. "How can people like one fourth wall breaking joke, but not a different fourth wall breaking joke!?"
 
Commander X said:
It's amazing how quickly that style of humor palls, this particular sort of overly aggressive snarky, crude, fourth-wall-breaking humor is so annoying and unfunny and has been for ages. One example for what seems like ages ago is ABC's Moonlighting (1985–89) and I recalled attempting to watch it some years ago and just one episode of it was filled with enough zany, constant fourth-wall breaks and direct asides to the audience, it was so annoying and cringe it will make any viewer want to travel back in time in hopes of derailing Bruce Willis' career in some way. This sort of humor, especially in our post-Whedon era of media often results in unwarrantedly smug writing and/or acting and ages worse than raw meat left out on a kitchen counter. The Deadpool films have this in spades what with Ryan Reynolds smarming it up to toxic levels while behaving like a comedian that laughs at his own jokes.
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Reminds me of all those '80s movies (a few '90s too) where the main character just suddenly starts talking directly to the audience for no reason. It's really jarring, especially when they only do it a couple times and otherwise behave normally. Christian Slater does it at random times in Kuffs and it's really odd; like nigga, you can defy physics, just fly out of the screen and rewind the movie back to before your brother gets murdered.


Voiceovers in superhero movies are similar. Why is Toby Maguire telling me he's Spider-Man as he walks away from Mary Jane? Is he narrating his memoirs?
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Don't care much about Deadpool, but I do love how easily this teaser pissed off the TV She-Hulk fanbase. "How can people like one fourth wall breaking joke, but not a different fourth wall breaking joke!?"
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And the answer is so simple:

When Deadpool does some cringy shit, he's the butt of the joke, and the movie goes "isn't he a retard? isn't he a gross degenerate? look at how the rest of the cast is groaning and retching at his sight AND smell"
When She-Hulk does some cringy shit, she's cool and hot and empowered, and the show goes "isn't she the best? you go girl, slay qween, look at her hanging out with a real world celebrity, don't you wish you were her?"
 
Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Reminds me of all those '80s movies (a few '90s too) where the main character just suddenly starts talking directly to the audience for no reason. It's really jarring, especially when they only do it a couple times and otherwise behave normally. Christian Slater does it at random times in Kuffs and it's really odd; like nigga, you can defy physics, just fly out of the screen and rewind the movie back to before your brother gets murdered.

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Voiceovers in superhero movies are similar. Why is Toby Maguire telling me he's Spider-Man as he walks away from Mary Jane? Is he narrating his memoirs?
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An illiterate english peasant in 1597 had a better grasp of soliloquy than an overeducated American in 2024.

Simply amazing.
 
Nick Obre said:
And the answer is so simple:

When Deadpool does some cringy shit, he's the butt of the joke, and the movie goes "isn't he a retard? isn't he a gross degenerate? look at how the rest of the cast is groaning and retching at his sight AND smell"
When She-Hulk does some cringy shit, she's cool and hot and empowered, and the show goes "isn't she the best? you go girl, slay qween, look at her hanging out with a real world celebrity, don't you wish you were her?"
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It's funny too, because Shulkie was objectified a ton in the comics. None of the in the show. It's mostly implied.
 
In the She-Hulk run kicked off by Bryne, the fourth-wall breaking gags felt, well, defter and more playful, not quite so aggressively in-your-face like some other asides-to-the-audience series. Like the gag about how time passes for characters in comic books, when She-Hulk discovers her new friend Weezi is actually Louise Grant Mason, former Golden Age hero The Blonde Phantom who first appeared in an issue of the Timely Comics title All Select Comics in 1946. As she explains, her and her husband, PI Mark Mason were not in frequent publication, so...

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That and there was a lot of combining visuals and writing in a way that played to the strengths of the medium while running with the idea that the characters were in a comic book, like an issue where She-Hulk and some other unfortunates must escape a villain, which she facilitates by tearing a hole in a page, running through some ads and then tearing through to another page. This sort of fourth-wall breaking and in-joking feels more playful than what you had with the She-Hulk TV series and a lot of other comic and TV titles that really lean too far too into being "meta", where you are getting the sense that the writers are so smugly pleased with themselves for showing how aware of comic tropes they are, and often they don't really do anything visually interesting.

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
I don't care for Deadpool anymore. He probably did more damage to popular culture with fourth wall breaks and snark than any deliberate act of subversion ever did.
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Sticking just to the comics I stopped caring for Deadpool when Marvel switched from the Rob Liefield version of Deadpool. When he was a more professional merc who rarely does snark comments. Not the post Whedon snarky fourth wall breaker the Marvel 00s writers stolen and recreated.

For fourth wall breaking 1930ies to 1940ies Warner Brothers cartoons pioneered and owned that shit.
 
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