Marvel Cinematic Universe

[trekkor]

Does Sony hate money that much?

Sony only has two moods regarding Spider-Man:
"Let's use Spidey's villains or Z-list side characters who don't work in solo projects in our solo movies and try to pretend afterwards that the movies being terrible was actually us being in on the jokes."
and
"Sonic-OCs-I MEAN Spider-Men from alternative timelines team up in animated movies that we'll spend a bajillion dollars on the animation on but spend about 2 minutes thinking about plot or characterization, but that won't matter since people will be too wowed by the sleek, modern style and movement and will ignore the same terrible plots that plague our Live Action movies."

I don't think Disney does is much better, not at all, but Snoy is still riding on the goodwill of the Raimi movies and NWH (and in theory, the Spider-verse movies, but I think you can guess I don't care for them).

 

[el bandito loco]

A post on the suicide squad game about the Guardians of the Galaxy being "a bunch of nobodies" reminded me that, besides Drax, everyone in the group was revealed to be insanely important. It's a good example of the shitty writing of "everyone is special" in Marvel. Like Rocket Racoon can't be a wacky alien, he needs to be the most intelligent being in the galaxy.

around when guardians 2 came out I was kind of irritated because Drax is the only one of the main Guardians team who actually was supposed to be important and they made him a fucking retard. I'm not a huge Drax the Destroyer fan or anything, but in the first one I thought they fucked him up but they could fix it but they doubled down the opposite way. I didn't need him to be super important but in retrospect it irritates me more that everyone ended up being extremely something and he ended up extremely retarded. I get why Batista bitched about it I'd be mad too if I had to play that role and get written worse every time I show up.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Rumor is was meant to be set in the 90s and tie into Amazing Spiderman movies, but then Sony changed their mind and wanted it to tie into the new Spiderman movies. So they ended up having to reshoot parts to remove all the 90s references in it.

That feels immensely stupid. Given one of the animated series had her involved with multiverse Spiderman stuff it should be an easy win.
Let me guess, Disney/Sony ownership slap fighting?

 

[Tor Lugosi]

around when guardians 2 came out I was kind of irritated because Drax is the only one of the main Guardians team who actually was supposed to be important and they made him a fucking retard. I'm not a huge Drax the Destroyer fan or anything, but in the first one I thought they fucked him up but they could fix it but they doubled down the opposite way. I didn't need him to be super important but in retrospect it irritates me more that everyone ended up being extremely something and he ended up extremely retarded. I get why Batista bitched about it I'd be mad too if I had to play that role and get written worse every time I show up.

In the first movie, Peter's father being an alien is already a plot point, Gamora and Nebula are the adopted daughters of Thanos that were trained and modified to be the perfect killers, Groot is from some weird race that interests even the Collector, and Rocket's cybernetics and venting about his history of being constantly taken apart and put back together already hints at him being unique, plus his ability to create weapons out of random parts. Drax, meanwhile, was pretty much just a regular member of his race that wanted revenge for his dead family.

I will agree that they made Drax into too much of a retard. The same thing happened with Scott Lang -- in the first movie he's a master cat burglar and a genius electrician, in his other appearances he's pretty much just a goofball who happens to have a special suit. The second Ant-Man film has to suddenly make Scott into a master of sleight of hand magic tricks just to occasionally give him something unique to do throughout the film.

 

[el bandito loco]

In the first movie, Peter's father being an alien is already a plot point, Gamora and Nebula are the adopted daughters of Thanos that were trained and modified to be the perfect killers, Groot is from some weird race that interests even the Collector, and Rocket's cybernetics and venting about his history of being constantly taken apart and put back together already hints at him being unique, plus his ability to create weapons out of random parts. Drax, meanwhile, was pretty much just a regular member of his race that wanted revenge for his dead family.

I will agree that they made Drax into too much of a retard. The same thing happened with Scott Lang -- in the first movie he's a master cat burglar and a genius electrician, in his other appearances he's pretty much just a goofball who happens to have a special suit. The second Ant-Man film has to suddenly make Scott into a master of sleight of hand magic tricks just to occasionally give him something unique to do throughout the film.

yeah what I was saying was that in the second one is when I realized wow they really aren't doing anything with him at all, I was under the impression they might have wanted to save Drax's thing for the next one because Thanos was obviously coming in Avengers and thought, well none of his importance was there but maybe they'll find a way in the next ones for something to happen and change him, him die and come back as the thanos slayer or whatever later on. then Guardians 2 came out and he was exactly the same, only dumber and more annoying, rinse and repeat for every appearance since.

Ant-Man is another good example, not that Scott has some cosmic importance to their big villain the way Drax is supposed to, but in that they just made him dumber after the first one. the first one was already primarily a comedy so why dumb him down after? he was fine before. I just hate when franchises change what worked or refuse to give any growth to anyone. regression is not progression without story reasons. someone can be a goofy person, be funny, and not be dumb.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

yeah what I was saying was that in the second one is when I realized wow they really aren't doing anything with him at all, I was under the impression they might have wanted to save Drax's thing for the next one because Thanos was obviously coming in Avengers and thought, well none of his importance was there but maybe they'll find a way in the next ones for something to happen and change him, him die and come back as the thanos slayer or whatever later on. then Guardians 2 came out and he was exactly the same, only dumber and more annoying, rinse and repeat for every appearance since.

They already pretty much ruined Drax's ties to Thanos in the first one. Ronan was the one who killed his family in the movie, then at the end Drax just suddenly goes "oh, yeah, Ronan was working for Thanos, so I guess I'll kill him, too."

The whole 'Drax is a super weapon created by the Eternals to kill Thanos' could've been an interesting plot point but I'm not sure where they would've fit it. Vol.2 is focused on Peter and Ego; Infinity War & Endgame are already pretty stuffed and ultimately Drax is a fairly minor character in the MCU. I guess they could've rewritten GotG Vol.2 to focus on all of their backstories rather than just Peter's but that probably would've ended up messy.

 

[The handsome tard]

Sony is run by absolute retards when it comes to live action Spider Man movies

Makes you see that Sam Raimi was kind of carrying the first trilogy on his back and passion and even Sony wasnt able to help themselves from inserting their executive demands in the third one (like demanding Venom be a thing when Raimi made it clear he was never into the character like most were and his focus was mostly on Sandman and Harry Ozborn)

What I don't get is... why the fuck right after No Way Home, was a Tobey Spider-Man 4 by Raimi not rushed into production?
Everybody wants another one, it would easily make $1 billion, probably more if it was actually decent.
Does Sony hate money that much?

Spiderman 3 left a sour taste on everyone's mouth, mostly unearned in the audience's ends but earned its development. Sam really wanted to stick with Spiderman being a mostly standalone thing with maybe a funny nod to other heroes like Dr Strange in 2. Sony wanted already a Sinister Six movie with a Venom solo movie being the starting point (tho idk how they would pull that off given that Doc Ock was redeemed and dead and Venom was dead too). Spiderman 4 WAS in the works for a while until the disagreements between him and the higher ups just became too much to bear and they both mutually agree this wasnt going to work out. And again, the unearned hatred Spiderman 3 got from the public and "Funny Online 'critics'" just pulling another Prequel Trilogy hate styled bandwagon didnt help things whatsoever (seriously, did these online jackasses ever really contributed to anything besides making pop culture worse?).

We had something really special with the Raimi movies and I think we never truly had something like it since.

I see many people wishing for a new Tobey movie set in the present time, sort picking up all those years after Spiderman 3. And if it has Raimi back and the story feels like a triumphant tribute to the classic movies, Im all for it...but given its the modern industry, assuming they dont force it to become Peter humiliation porn, they will probably try to build some cinematic universe around it because they are shameless.

Ant-Man is another good example, not that Scott has some cosmic importance to their big villain the way Drax is supposed to, but in that they just made him dumber after the first one.

I still dislike that they went straight for Scott and just gave Hank a mentor role and we all know why they did it.



All because the artist misunderstood the writer's intention and editors apparently were into it so much they decided to just ruin Hank's reputation for the rest of time. You really showed to the wife beaters all over the world I guess...

Oh yeah, lets just forget the time Peter Parker slapped his pregnant wife during the Clone Saga.

They already pretty much ruined Drax's ties to Thanos in the first one. Ronan was the one who killed his family in the movie, then at the end Drax just suddenly goes "oh, yeah, Ronan was working for Thanos, so I guess I'll kill him, too."

Drax could have been space Kratos and yet they somehow shat on that awesome image.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

All because the artist misunderstood the writer's intention and editors apparently were into it so much they decided to just ruin Hank's reputation for the rest of time. You really showed to the wife beaters all over the world I guess...

Oh yeah, lets just forget the time Peter Parker slapped his pregnant wife during the Clone Saga.

funny thing is, Tom DeFalco (the writer of the issue were Peter backhands MJ) said the same thing -- that the artist misread the intent of the scene and made it much more violent than it should have been. It happening during the Clone Saga was probably why people were more forgiving -- a large part of that whole ordeal early on was trying to tear down Peter's character so that people would be more accepting of Ben.

 

[The handsome tard]

funny thing is, Tom DeFalco (the writer of the issue were Peter backhands MJ) said the same thing -- that the artist misread the intent of the scene and made it much more violent than it should have been. It happening during the Clone Saga was probably why people were more forgiving -- a large part of that whole ordeal early on was trying to tear down Peter's character so that people would be more accepting of Ben.

Tearing Peter's character down so people are more accepting of his replacement....huh...

Good to see that the more things change, the more they remain the same.


...Tho Ben Reilly is legit better than Miles Morales to me.

With that said, it just feels unfair to Hank's character that a single mistake haunts him for many decades by this point when characters like Tony Stark did objectively more horrible things and were eventually "forgiven" (tho I know that the Iron Man movies sort of helped into the rebirth of his popularity). For all the talk that Marvel heroes are more relatable because they are more flawed, it feels really hypocritical that Hank's fuck up couldnt eventually be let go to the point even the MCU decided to play safe and have him not be the center focus of the movies.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

...Tho Ben Reilly is legit better than Miles Morales to me.

Yeah, Ben developed into a decent character throughout the Clone Saga (especially under JM DeMatteis, who tried making it so that Ben's constant life as a nomad gave him more of an edge compared to Peter). Really should've gone with the plan of giving him his own spin off like War Machine and Thunderstrike, rather than outright killing him.

With that said, it just feels unfair to Hank's character that a single mistake haunts him for many decades by this point when characters like Tony Stark did objectively more horrible things and were eventually "forgiven" (tho I know that the Iron Man movies sort of helped into the rebirth of his popularity). For all the talk that Marvel heroes are more relatable because they are more flawed, it feels really hypocritical that Hank's fuck up couldnt eventually be let go to the point even the MCU decided to play safe and have him not be the center focus of the movies.

I'd probably blame The Ultimates more than anything. Mark Millar ended up writing Ultimate Hank as a genuinely abusive piece of shit. But, yeah, I've always thought it was shitty to define Hank's character by that. I'm guessing Marvel's editorial cared less about Hank than they did Peter and Tony; making Hank into 'the wife beater' wouldn't ruin any books as far as Marvel was concerned.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

Janet was also defined by this moment. Until relatively recently Jan only showed up as a supporting or even background character in events and most of the times when she gets something to do, the slaps and her relationship with Hank define her. Marvel has been trying hard to erase her for ages.

 

[Overly Serious]

All because the artist misunderstood the writer's intention and editors apparently were into it so much they decided to just ruin Hank's reputation for the rest of time. You really showed to the wife beaters all over the world I guess...

What was the scene meant to be?

 

[starborn427614]

The Marvels is out on Disney Plus now. Please try to contain your excitement.

 

[The handsome tard]

What was the scene meant to be?

Iirc, Hank was suppose to either do a grandiose gesture and accidentally hit her or just do said gesture without hitting her. Either way, the slap wasnt suppose to happen or at least not intentionally.

At most it was to show Hank how he was unintentionally hurting those he cares about but, again, the editors seemed to really love the idea of him being an intentional wife beater to destroy the character's reputation for many decades that followed.

The Marvels is out on Disney Plus now. Please try to contain your excitement.

More slop for the slop slurpers.

 

[starborn427614]

More slop for the slop slurpers.

I put it on the background and beyond some OK action scenes here or there it was pretty boring. Definitely one of the more forgettable MCU films of recent memory.

 

[Overly Serious]

I put it on the background and beyond some OK action scenes here or there it was pretty boring. Definitely one of the more forgettable MCU films of recent memory.

Which is sad in a way because Kamala Khan is a good character and Brie Larson was actually a lot more likeable and less obnoxiously Message-y in this one. But then you have Samuel L. Jackson yelling "Black girl magic" at whoever was playing Monica Rambeau and it all falls apart.

 

[Cats]

What in the Fuck is this garbage that has just been dumped into my recommended shorts...

is this a joke? I am not up to date on anything marvel and haven't watched anything from them since the 1990's Xmen cartoon. Is this how their shit is nowadays? Is this for real?

 

[Pedophobe]

I desperately want a Gang War movie with Kingpin, Hobgoblin and Rose but I know I'm never getting it.

It's probably for the best.

 

[Overly Serious]

What in the Fuck is this garbage that has just been dumped into my recommended shorts...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lD2YKW29ICU
is this a joke? I am not up to date on anything marvel and haven't watched anything from them since the 1990's Xmen cartoon. Is this how their shit is nowadays? Is this for real?

Oh it's real alright. I have a friend who has some of the worst taste in movies ever (but he's a great guy). Bay Transformers, anything like that. And even he thought the She-hulk series was trash.

Shortly after that moment she turns to the camera and says how the writing is bad, climbs out of the shot into the Netflix menu and breaks into the writer's room to demand they change the ending.

 

[The handsome tard]

Yeah, Ben developed into a decent character throughout the Clone Saga (especially under JM DeMatteis, who tried making it so that Ben's constant life as a nomad gave him more of an edge compared to Peter). Really should've gone with the plan of giving him his own spin off like War Machine and Thunderstrike, rather than outright killing him.

Ben deserved better. He was a good subversion of the "evil clone" trope, as in he wasnt evil, he didnt want to replace Peter and simply wanted to be his own person and he almost kind of become like a "twin brother" of sorts to Peter by the end. I think the issues began when they kept unnaturally streching the "who's the clone" question longer than it had to.

Janet was also defined by this moment. Until relatively recently Jan only showed up as a supporting or even background character in events and most of the times when she gets something to do, the slaps and her relationship with Hank define her. Marvel has been trying hard to erase her for ages.

They really could have bounced back from this if they had Hank being legit sorry and this being the moment he has a "What have I become" realization and improve from there and upon seeing he means it, Janet would be willing to give him a new chance and support him through it. But no, they kind of disturbingly embraced Hank being abusive and Janet being defined by her victimhood. Thats just legit bad writing.

What in the Fuck is this garbage that has just been dumped into my recommended shorts...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lD2YKW29ICU
is this a joke? I am not up to date on anything marvel and haven't watched anything from them since the 1990's Xmen cartoon. Is this how their shit is nowadays? Is this for real?

And people still have the guts of pretending Hulk 2008 was a bad movie after this. It at least was a hulk lead project!