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@Hembruh Slightly off-topic but by any chance you know what main land China thought of Big Trouble in Little China?
I dated a girl from Hong Kong (not mainland China, admittedly) and was eager to watch this - one of my favourite movies - with her.

Her take amused me to no end: "They got the Chinese characters right. Everytime they're not fighting they're eating".

TBC, connotations of her meaning the Chinese men as there aren't really many Chinese women in the film. In fact that reminds me she also had the same reaction I did to Meo Yin (sp?) which was: "SHE IS NOT CHINESE!".

I think she enjoyed it though. When it came out I think it was quite popular with Chinese Americans and of course most of the cast are of Chinese descent. John Carpenter however said that some Westerners called the film racist. The Progressives of the day no doubt.

I have to say, James Hong as Lo Pan is one of the most entertaining performances I have ever seen in my life. "You are not put on this Earth to 'get it' Mr. Burton!"

Bringing this back around to MCU and foreign cultures, you could write a whole fucking essay on how racist the movie Black Panther is. From the fact Wakanda looks so ramshackle-with-tech because higgledy-piggledy layout and woven branch roofs are what "African" means to Hollywood; to the grunting tribe. If I made a movie a bunch of African heroes kept making Gorilla noises every time someone tried to talk to them, I'd be fucking lynched. Hell, I'd probably lynch myself. But it's fine if you have the right politics. I also heard that Forest Whittaker is doing a truly horrendous Yoruba accent akin to Mickey Rooney playing a Japanese character in Breakfast at Tiffany's, though I don't know enough to say.
 
That scene always stuck out to me just even when I first watched the film back in 2012 since it's so much gorier than anything seen before or since in the MCU.
It's probably because even diet WW2 media back then had a pass for certain types of violence that would be shocking coupled with how Obama Era media wasn't quite as sanitized in general compared to today. In fact, the CA solo films were the grittiest movies they had. I still remember the winter soldier straight up murdering a bunch of pilots and throwing a screaming guy into a jet engine.
 
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Another Doom Blazer lads. This time he's going to fix the MCU (to be even better than it was before)


Step One: Make gud writing. If they don't do reshoots and rewrites the movie will be better. Ah yes because if an author released his first draft that would be the best version.
Step Two: Stop Disneyfying the MCU. Nigga that line has already been crossed. I will never take the MCU seriously if She-Hulk occupies space within that universe.
Step Three: Don't be afraid to go dark. He wants to FEEL like he's watching a real movie.

Ultimately Doom Blazer doesn't understand that nothing matters, this universe is fake and gay. He wants to have a cinematic experience, but at the same time wants to be aware of his experience, or even anticipate it. Very sad.
 
they're going to have to work overtime in setting this shit up in these movies, and I heard they're super confident in Deadpool 3 which I agree is probably guaranteed to be a hit. the fact it seems to be the BIGGEST set up movie going forward though, following Loki's second season (which I haven't seen yet, bc I'm too busy watching pornography or rewatching the wire) I think is not a good look because they promised over and over it will be rated R but I think setting up everything in a movie less people will watch with their kids is probably not really a very good place to do that. I personally think it will be how I've felt about most of this multiverse saga shit where at the end of the day in the movie itself it will probably end up feeling inconsequential and like nothing was actually set up (see Dr Strange 2, Spiderman NWH, AntMan Quantamania) where there will be multiverse shit but by the end I'll go, and what exactly did that lead into? Those movies all feel like by the end we aren't exactly having a specific throughline into where this is going (because they have/had no idea). and from an optics place I don't think I would keep going with the narrative R rated DP3 is THE movie to see to prepare for what's coming although that's likely only because it's the only movie coming out this next year. it just seems weird to me that when this saga's all said and done if you were to make a list of must see multiverse saga things and cut out "filler" movies/shows DP3 will probably be on it when it should probably be in the latter category.

Something I think that has kind of fucked them beyond just shitty movies is that at least in the first phases of the MCU it was pretty easy to build to the infinity gauntlet because even if the movies didn't have particularly good set up for Thanos before IW, at least there was a throughline of the infinity gems being the macguffin throughout a bunch of them. this has been weird because we had Kang in a TV show & movie already but our throughline has been nothing beyond just there IS a multiverse and variant characters. that's like it. granted, maybe Loki 2 has more of an actual set up thing going on than has came before and obviously I wouldn't know yet, but in general everything has seemed more disconnected and they're going to have to work overtime in the next few movies for it to make any sense what the fuck Moon Knight, Shang Chi, She Hulk, the Marvels, etc will have to do with when Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman, & Robert Downey Jr are in a crumbling universe fighting Kang and Dr Doom or whatever.

As a side tangent, and a Tobeyman1&2 fanboy thing, they could have made this a hell of a lot easier if they had done something I kind of wanted in NWH. when Holland is telling the other Spideys about Thanos and the avengers, they should have had Tobey say something like "oh that chump? yeah the fantastic four, x-men, hulk, daredevil & I kicked his ass". thereby establishing Earth-2000s as a thing where all those movies were one universe and in the years since went on to crossover (despite any continuity issues there, who actually cares? this multiverse shit is all retcon anyways) and have holland say yeah he took out half of the universe for resources and have tobey say his thanos did it for some other reason establishing some variant of infinity war happened there. this would ride with the multiverse thing but also easily set up Secret Wars as a simple conflict between the MCU and the 2000s movies. then you they could go on doing whatever where there's whatever variants but by the time we get to SW it's mainly just kang trying to merge those 2 or whatever and then end it ripping of crisis on infinite earths where them along with all of other minor multiverses more resembling the main mcu merge and we end up with a new world where none of the 2000s guys are around we can recast the big avengers but shit like the x men exist or whatever. I just think they've muddied it so much when it could literally just boil down to 2 universes fighting and streamline the 2000s movies worlds, but still have characters like Andrew Garfield, Tom Hardy and other variants of main MCU people played by whoever. open it with Fan4stic's world exploding, in the end it basically comes down to the MCU (and variants of them from now dead worlds to bring back RDJ & Chris Evans, Neftlix or AOS characters for cameos, whatever) vs Xmen featuring Tobey & Andrew, all heroes team up beat up Kang, new world, soft reboot we did it fellas go home.
 
Doom Blazer makes the best content.


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TFW Bloobus Briggleberg from the comics makes a cameo in the background of Doctor Strange 3: The Return of Egyptian Kang
 
they're going to have to work overtime in setting this shit up in these movies, and I heard they're super confident in Deadpool 3 which I agree is probably guaranteed to be a hit.
I haven't really seen much references to Deadpool in a while, granted I'm not in any Reddit cesspool, but it's a character that burned itself out over self referential comedy, which is now something virtually every movie hero does. The last Deadpool film came 5 years ago, only comic book nerds remember he exists.
 
Niggers aren't watching that shit. Soyfaced white men and their platonic dyke women friends are the only people who care. as someone who spends an excessive amount of time around 'hood niggas' they hate the mcu pandering more than anyone. they like those DC animated movies & think the mcu sucks now because everyone cool is gone or dead and the fights suck. they like Spider-Man and that's it lmao. Don't get me wrong tho the ones I deal with aren't particularly enlightened that's the reason I just saw venom 2 because this dude swore up and down it was dope and I went to his house to watch it and laughed my ass off the whole time.
I'm laughing hard that even the very people who Disney panders to hate their bullshit. Please tell me they hate the multiverse concept as well.
 
I haven't really seen much references to Deadpool in a while, granted I'm not in any Reddit cesspool, but it's a character that burned itself out over self referential comedy, which is now something virtually every movie hero does. The last Deadpool film came 5 years ago, only comic book nerds remember he exists.
Nah dude normies love deadpool. there is a huge population of random people who don't really follow superhero movies that deadpool 1/2 are like their favorite movie and will be there. I know tons of girls irl who love those fucking movies and hate capeshit and tons of older people who don't really care about it in general who love them too. Comic nerds are generally actually the only people who don't like deadpool/care about those movies much. me I'm mixed on them they're both okay, second one is funnier and had cable so I liked it more. The character wore out his welcome for me in comics in like 2010, and Ryan Reynolds did basically after the second movie from overexposure to him in commercials and shit, but him + wolverine this movie is guaranteed to be huge with normies
I'm laughing hard that even the very people who Disney panders to hate their bullshit. Please tell me they hate the multiverse concept as well.
nah they love that shit. granted none of the guys I know have liked what we have gotten so far outside of tobeyman but you can blame the injustice games & spiderverse, niggas love multiverse shit. but I've noticed they mainly like dark shit. they like those x hero killed x villain and went rogue stories. but they really only care because they only see these movies for fights/battles/superhero action they want to see stuff like evil Dr strange and evil hulk or whatever because they think it will be badass, they don't care about really who or what is going on they just want it to be cool and the pandering shit is not cool and they say its gay lmao
 
It also doesn't help that Marvel already had very lackluster villains compared to DC, you have at most 1-2 big villains for any hero unless it's Spiderman/Mutants.
A lot of Marvel's storylines rely on soap opera-like interpersonal drama anyway.
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A classic Avengers storyline features all the founders quitting and leaving Captain America scrambling for recruits, ending up with Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch. So, the guy who was just defrosted from a block of ice and a bunch of former supervillains have to work together, leading to obvious conflicts (I never understood why they made Hawkeye so dull in the movies when he's a hilarious asshole in the comics).
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Marvel had heroes crossing over and fighting each other from the beginning, and also had villains going from one book to another. Kingpin went from being a Spider-Man villain to a Daredevil villain, Sabretooth was originally from Iron Fist, and Mystique and Rogue were originally from Ms. Marvel. (Do they ever acknowledge Carol being put into a coma by Rogue anymore?)
 
Nah dude normies love deadpool. there is a huge population of random people who don't really follow superhero movies that deadpool 1/2 are like their favorite movie and will be there. I know tons of girls irl who love those fucking movies and hate capeshit and tons of older people who don't really care about it in general who love them too. Comic nerds are generally actually the only people who don't like deadpool/care about those movies much. me I'm mixed on them they're both okay, second one is funnier and had cable so I liked it more. The character wore out his welcome for me in comics in like 2010, and Ryan Reynolds did basically after the second movie from overexposure to him in commercials and shit, but him + wolverine this movie is guaranteed to be huge with normies
Also Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are about the only people left who are actual movie stars who have fans who will see whatever they are in. I mean I'd never go see a movie just because Hugh Jackman was in it, but I also can't think of a movie offhand that was ruined because he was in it (TBF I haven't seen any of the ones he sings in). It's amazing what happens when you put likeable people with charisma in your movies.

Also, I really don't mind Deadpool movies doing well because they have to pay Rob Liefeld, and that can always lead to lols and tears.
 
Also Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are about the only people left who are actual movie stars who have fans who will see whatever they are in. I mean I'd never go see a movie just because Hugh Jackman was in it, but I also can't think of a movie offhand that was ruined because he was in it (TBF I haven't seen any of the ones he sings in). It's amazing what happens when you put likeable people with charisma in your movies.
I'm optimistic it will be watchable. My hope is both of them already have their character's deaths set in stone and confirmed by the sort of lawyers that will ignore Disney's counterpoints since the idea of Deadpool 4 is making me flinch.

If nothing else I cannot deny I enjoyed Reynolds breaking the news about getting Jackman.


It feels sufficiently irreverent.

Edit - made better by the fact that it seems like Youtube blocked the soundtrack!
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I give the Deadpool movies a lot of shit, but Reynolds being so willing to make himself the butt of so many jokes in DP2's credit sequence nets him a lot of respect. Yeah, he's one note and plays himself all the time, but there's still something charming about him.
 
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