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when the Avengers came out I sort of despised it, but I wish I could go back in time and show myself a couple episodes of She Hulk or something because I'd have turned around and really changed on that movie in an instant. most of my problems with it (outside of shitty cinematography bc whedon can't direct a movie worth a fuck) were fanboy bullshit what I wanted vs the movie they made. My biggest problem was tone, god I hate Joss Whedon. in the avengers the world should be like on fire because everyone just found out aliens exist and the world is literally like ending but all our characters are on a shield ship bouncing one liners off each other. I thought that sucked when it came out but compared to MCU now the tone of that movie might as well have been Schindler's List. The other thing is I wanted what the after credits of CA looked like which was basically Captain America 2, I wanted a sad somber man out of time movie where halfway through aliens show up then everyone bands together to take em out. the other big things were I thought out of the first few movies Loki along with Justin Hammer were the only villains with clear good motivations and in avengers Loki is just doing shit for basically no discernible reason & I thought Ruffalo sucked as Hulk (if only I could have forseen Thor Ragnarok and what they did to him after that). basically I guess what I am rambling about is I thought that movie sucked in 2012 but everything I disliked about it has become so exponentially worse and baked in to their formula in their output 10 years on that looking back that movie is a fucking masterpiece in comparison.
 
Hembruh said:
when the Avengers came out I sort of despised it, but I wish I could go back in time and show myself a couple episodes of She Hulk or something because I'd have turned around and really changed on that movie in an instant. most of my problems with it (outside of shitty cinematography bc whedon can't direct a movie worth a fuck) were fanboy bullshit what I wanted vs the movie they made. My biggest problem was tone, god I hate Joss Whedon. in the avengers the world should be like on fire because everyone just found out aliens exist and the world is literally like ending but all our characters are on a shield ship bouncing one liners off each other. I thought that sucked when it came out but compared to MCU now the tone of that movie might as well have been Schindler's List. The other thing is I wanted what the after credits of CA looked like which was basically Captain America 2, I wanted a sad somber man out of time movie where halfway through aliens show up then everyone bands together to take em out. the other big things were I thought out of the first few movies Loki along with Justin Hammer were the only villains with clear good motivations and in avengers Loki is just doing shit for basically no discernible reason & I thought Ruffalo sucked as Hulk (if only I could have forseen Thor Ragnarok and what they did to him after that). basically I guess what I am rambling about is I thought that movie sucked in 2012 but everything I disliked about it has become so exponentially worse and baked in to their formula in their output 10 years on that looking back that movie is a fucking masterpiece in comparison.
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We went from world-ending threats in Avengers solo movies to multiverse level threats in Ant-Man 3, and honestly the world ending threats were too much. When I was watching Dr. Strange 2 in theaters they would show incursions, and heros like Professor X and Reed Richards dying like it's nothing. How am I supposed to care about the new Fantastic 4 when I just saw RR turn into spaghetti? And how am I supposed to care about Kang or Galactus (whatever they plan on doing) if every movie has a threat to the Multiverse that loses against the hero? Showing what an incursion looks like also removes the mystery and horror of something like that happening, and pigeonholes a creative person at Marvel to this one random scene when they could've spent years developing the concept, and saving it for an Avengers movie.

Even that shitty Thor 4 movie used The Eternal Wish concept when they could've saved it for a bigger movie. Thor also figures out how to lend his powers to everyone, and audiences will probably be left wondering why he isn't using that power in Avengers 5.

There's too much shit and they're making everything this multiverse threat, and giving OP powers to their characters that they'll never use again. Don't get me started on how inconsistent Dr. Strange's magical powers are...
 
So my parents had Spiderman Homecoming on while I was jarring up some apple butter I made last night. Outside of Michael Keaton's performance, the film has not aged well. I never liked how much Holland's Peter Parker has been written to fellate Tony Stark, but I forgot how bad it was in this film.
 
Hembruh said:
in the avengers the world should be like on fire because everyone just found out aliens exist and the world is literally like ending but all our characters are on a shield ship bouncing one liners off each other.
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One of the most difficult things for today's writers and directors in the Fantastic realm (what some call genre, i.e., fantasy, scifi, "capeshit") seems to be creating for an audience of all ages. Sure, most of the pre-1970's material may come across even to those who grew up with it as stilted, wooden or unrealistic. But writing for children or adults now apparently means retards writing for retards. (Bob Camp of Ren and Stimpy said something like, children's television is like pet food - you don't give a fuck how it tastes, as long as they eat it.) How does something like Ghostbusters manage to strike such a beautiful balance between not just comedy and horror, but between being a movie thoroughly and safely enjoyable for preteens as well as actual adults? It's a mystery to modern Hollywood. The most disappointing example for me was Tron Legacy - sure, the modern version looked pretty, but it wasn't just my jaded and CGI-weary gaze that made it for the most part unimpressive and unmemorable. Sure, the original was explicitly meant to be a kiddie flick, but IMO the story and stakes hold up better than the sequel. The old founder's comment that when machines do the thinking, people will stop? Said many times, but almost never with such conviction for a mass market audience. And the corporate stooge's conversations with the AI as he realizes his creation has grown beyond his control? More chilling every day. Point being this material is gold and any halfway decent creative team should be able to make it rain money, and we've gone from lazy buggers to people actively trying to spin straw into shit.
 
StevieLasVegas said:
So my parents had Spiderman Homecoming on while I was jarring up some apple butter I made last night. Outside of Michael Keaton's performance, the film has not aged well. I never liked how much Holland's Peter Parker has been written to fellate Tony Stark, but I forgot how bad it was in this film.
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it's probably the best Holland spidey movie but it's still terrible, it never feels like spider-man and the stark suck fest is part of the issue
 
StevieLasVegas said:
So my parents had Spiderman Homecoming on while I was jarring up some apple butter I made last night. Outside of Michael Keaton's performance, the film has not aged well. I never liked how much Holland's Peter Parker has been written to fellate Tony Stark, but I forgot how bad it was in this film.
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The biggest issue is that he NEVER grew out of it till NWH. Even then he's getting mentored by more experienced Spider-Men. I wouldn't mind if he was sucking up to Iron Man in Civil War and Homecoming only, but the fact it keeps going even after Tony Stark died makes Homecoming so annoying
 
a big chunk of my personal growth when it comes to superhero genre movies, is that as a lifelong true and honest comic book fan, I finally realized these things aren't made for me literally at all. every now and then something slips through the cracks that I am the actual target audience for but they're just focus group test audience targeted mass appeal bullshit. and sometimes that works out. other times it doesn't. it's just difficult to go through the "my thing is mainstream now cool" but it all sucks. these things are made for retards who eat up everything, or who watch youtube "theory" videos between movies from guys who have never actually read a comic book but use wikipedia to fill in gaps and make these people think they're getting set up for shit they will never read but think must be cool. and now they've fumbled so hard even those guys don't give a shit because they no longer even know from a studio level who their audience is. they think it's some diverse group of people when niggas see these movies for fights, and women see them because their boyfriend drags them and they don't cater to either of those demographics when they think they do.
you can look at something like The Dark Knight, is that movie for comic book batman fans? fuck no it doesn't resemble batman hardly at all, however it was a good movie. iron man 1, has fuck all to do with iron man from the 60s to when it was made in 08 but it gets enough right and is good enough on it's own it works. the last time I saw a superhero movie I felt was made for dudes like me was Aquaman, Jason Mamoa's Arthur (which I personally like) is not Aquaman like at all but they shoved so much legit Aquaman comic book lore into that movie knowing damn well it's retarded but played it straight enough I walked out and was like that movie was for comic book people and the general audience seemed to like it well enough. I don't care if the movie is for me personally or not, it just has to be good and cater to the actual audience who is seeing it, and they can't even figure that out.
 
Fabio Socialist said:
One of the most difficult things for today's writers and directors in the Fantastic realm (what some call genre, i.e., fantasy, scifi, "capeshit") seems to be creating for an audience of all ages. Sure, most of the pre-1970's material may come across even to those who grew up with it as stilted, wooden or unrealistic. But writing for children or adults now apparently means retards writing for retards. (Bob Camp of Ren and Stimpy said something like, children's television is like pet food - you don't give a fuck how it tastes, as long as they eat it.) How does something like Ghostbusters manage to strike such a beautiful balance between not just comedy and horror, but between being a movie thoroughly and safely enjoyable for preteens as well as actual adults? It's a mystery to modern Hollywood. The most disappointing example for me was Tron Legacy - sure, the modern version looked pretty, but it wasn't just my jaded and CGI-weary gaze that made it for the most part unimpressive and unmemorable. Sure, the original was explicitly meant to be a kiddie flick, but IMO the story and stakes hold up better than the sequel. The old founder's comment that when machines do the thinking, people will stop? Said many times, but almost never with such conviction for a mass market audience. And the corporate stooge's conversations with the AI as he realizes his creation has grown beyond his control? More chilling every day. Point being this material is gold and any halfway decent creative team should be able to make it rain money, and we've gone from lazy buggers to people actively trying to spin straw into shit.
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God, I love the ghost designs and aesthetic of Ghostbusters.
 
This is The Daily DoomBlazer


Despite the thread being devoted to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, our sources have discovered that DoomBlazer really wants a baby to die in Aquaman 2. This concludes the DC portion of our broadcast.


Who should direct Thor 5? DoomBlazer crafts a spread of the most capable directors to helm the responsibility of Thor 5. This is after Taika Waititi's departure from the project.

Takes and Points:
  • Kenneth Branagh:
    • He directed Thor 1, which gives him experience to direct Thor 5. Thor 1 is "underrated" even though it grossed 450 million at the global box office on a 150 million dollar budget. We suppose The Marvels is also underrated according to him.
    • The film introduced the cosmic side of the MCU according to DoomBlazer. However the seven realms in Thor 1 have not been brought up in some time. The creators behind Thor 1 were proudly talking about grounding magic within scientific concepts at the time the film was released. However at this point magic literally exists in the MCU.
    • "It wouldn't hurt for Thor to go back to his roots." But how? Asgard is destroyed, and his whole family is dead. Wouldn't it make more sense for Thor to move forward with his daughter?
  • The Russo Brothers
    • "They created the best version of Thor in the MCU." Doom neglects to mention that Thor was a side character in this movie. In his solo outings he's been an egoistical brat, and a goofball.
    • Canonically after endgame he went back to being a goofball, so why would he revert back to his serious side?
  • Zack Snyder
    • "Thor needs to be badass like Superman." We agree with this take. If Thor was a Shonen type of character it would greatly improve his presence in the MCU. It's doubtful whether Disney would follow through with this or not.
  • Jon Favreau
    • Because he worked on Iron Man????
  • Sam Hargrave
    • Because he worked with Chris Hemsworth on two movies
  • Robert Eggers
    • He directed the Northman, so he should direct Thor.
    • Even though it's obvious Robert feels more at home making lower budget horror/ experimental movies, he should just get into capeshit instead of spending his time developing his own identity.
So Thor need to "Have great writing, be badass, and make Thor great again." According to DoomBlazer the only people qualified to make a Thor movie are director's who directed capeshit, someone who worked with Chris Hemsworth, and a man who probably has no interest, or the passion to work for Disney's Marvel.
 
I liked the first Avengers a lot when I saw it in theaters.

Watching it again, at home, was a different experience. That's when you realize the movie has no plot, or at least a very thin plot. There's a bad guy, and superheroes fight him. It's a theme park ride.

I think that's why I enjoy watching Age of Ultron more. It's somewhat about stuff, and has themes, and shit.
 
The biggest problem with Holland Spidey is that they removed all of the small character traits that made him interesting and relatable in the comics. Peter Parker has always had a bit of a vindictive streak. The first thing he did after getting his powers was use it for his personal fame, money, and getting back at the people who hurt him in the past. Uncle Ben's death changed that.

Holland Spidey is too much of a goody two shoes. It becomes even worse with No Way Home when you realize that before that movie, he never had his Uncle Ben moment, meaning that he is just naturally altruistic. But that changes the dynamic completely. The real Peter Parker was heading down a dark path before his uncle's death, and it's only that event that put the seeds of responsability, guilt, and restraint in him. In a way, I never thought the symbiote made Peter evil, so much as it inhibited all of the things that made him a good person and turned him into the Peter that never got those final life lessons from Ben.

Say what you will about the Tobey and even Garfield versions, they got this side of Peter Parker's character. Tom Holland just doesn't, and never will, because I don't think either Sony or Disney has the chops to write complexity into characters anymore.
 
PizzaPoppa said:
Robert Eggers
  • He directed the Northman, so he should direct Thor.
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Holy shit! How does this guy manage to keep his skull from breaking with such a big brain. The mere idea of an Egger's horror-tragedy with MCU quips every couple of minutes is the mental equivalent of turning the AC and the heater at the same time to achieve an ideal temperature.

PizzaPoppa said:
Kenneth Branagh:
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There isn't a way he is coming back to Disney after Belfast. I was unironically stunned he was even involved considering he is one of the best Shakespearean actors still alive.

PizzaPoppa said:
Zack Snyder
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Imagine freeing yourself of Warner Bros and walking into the MCU after Endgame and being usurped by James Gunn at DC. Having the guy that got people mad at him for using the Superman is Jesus allegory is sure to end well if you use a nordic god in a society that is looking to demonize anything that even remotely can be liked by suspected white supremacists.
 
Sleepy Pink Muslim Queen said:
Holy shit! How does this guy manage to keep his skull from breaking with such a big brain. The mere idea of an Egger's horror-tragedy with MCU quips every couple of minutes is the mental equivalent of turning the AC and the heater at the same time to achieve an ideal temperature.


There isn't a way he is coming back to Disney after Belfast. I was unironically stunned he was even involved considering he is one of the best Shakespearean actors still alive.


Imagine freeing yourself of Warner Bros and walking into the MCU after Endgame and being usurped by James Gunn at DC. Having the guy that got people mad at him for using the Superman is Jesus allegory is sure to end well if you use a nordic god in a society that is looking to demonize anything that even remotely can be liked by suspected white supremacists.
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Ya Allah your brain just isn't as vast as the Doom Blazer
 
I haven't seen it in a long ass time but I liked Ultron more than the first bc it had more comic book shit I wanted to see in it purely from a superficial place. It had the hulkbuster, vision, an army of ultrons, quicksilver & scarlet witch's powers were shown kinda cool, Captain America budges Thor's hammer, little shit like that added up to me enjoying it a lot when it came out. My problem with that movie has always been it felt like a whole ass season of tv edited down into a movie. If you've ever watched anime movies that recap a series or season age of ultron always felt like one of those to me.
It has more of the shitty whedon bullshit that ruined the mcu (and Hollywood in general) but there was and enough cool shit I wanted to see that I liked it more than the first. It's probably a worse movie tho.

The reason I hate Spider-Man in the MCU is Peter is supposed to be a weird selfish nerd who you want to beat the fuck out of and bully but through lessons and hardships grows and overcomes all that to become a hero. MCU Spiderman is not a selfish nerd he's a quirky autistic kid who I want to beat up for totally different reasons and never has any real growth or loss. His life is supposed to suck ass but until he loses aunt may in the last one his life kicks ass. he's not relatable in the way Spider-Man is supposed to be. He's supposed to be a normal dude. He wants to not be poor, he wants good pussy, he fucks people over for his own gain. And he grows past that. He's also a weird introverted nerd not a fucking autistic kid into Legos in high school.
 
SpiderMan being an autistic tech genius never sat right with me, and was one if the reasons I didn't get on too well with the PS4 game. He's meant to be a struggling youngster trying to balance heroics with a personal life, but having access to vast wealth and nano-technology really takes the edge off that. No fucking wonder you can't make rent when you spend tens of thousands on semi-sentient spider robots!
 
@Hembruh Another problem with Age of Ultron not mentioned here it that it is the first MCU you almost had to do "homework" first before watching. That is the audience had to watched the first three or four seasons of Agents of Shield to know why the Avengers are dicking around with a hum-dum Hydra base.
 
Uranus Pink said:
@Hembruh Another problem with Age of Ultron not mentioned here it that it is the first MCU you almost had to do "homework" first before watching. That is the audience had to watched the first three or four seasons of Agents of Shield to know why the Avengers are dicking around with a hum-dum Hydra base.
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I thoroughly enjoyed Agents of SHIELD, but there was ZERO need to watch it to understand that the Avengers had been hunting down Hydra remnants since Winter Soldier.

AOS was ever at most supplementary, and whatever it added was so one-sided, it can be 100% ignored to no detriment for the movies.
 
I feel like killing off Ultron was a mistake. A genocidal super computer that’s on the run would have been a fun premise to have as a joke antagonist with Stan Lee-like cameos (he shows up in Guardians and pawns an arm to Rocket, briefly shows up in the background of a Thor movie and back pedals out of a scene).
The end result being that eventually he stops being a joke and is a downright threat again.

I feel like they really, really shouldn’t have perma-killed off something that by nature cannot die.
 
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