Marvel Cinematic Universe

[starborn427614]

Like, about The Marvels, a "trusted leaker" said a lot of the movie's problems come from Larson being bitchy (who could have predicted this), especially about her sequel getting demoted to ensemble cast. Immediately, another leaker started trying to do obvious damage control, accidentally implying The Marvels tested better than Guardians 3, after which he had to do damage control on the damage done by his previous damage control.

Heard about this too. I could see The Marvels better better than expected, but better overall than Guardians? Never in a billion years.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

How little do they trust Brie Larson that they have to pair her up with the weakest part of WandaVision and the star of a show no one watched?

I mean, wasn't she supposed to be the new star for Marvel to replace Cap and Iron Man?

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Has anyone just completely ruined a good thing as fast as Larson has?

 

[starborn427614]

Has anyone just completely ruined a good thing as fast as Larson has?

Jared Leto? His "method acting" was pretty infamous, never mind his actual portrayal of Joker.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Has anyone just completely ruined a good thing as fast as Larson has?

Paul Verhoven. The cast of Showgirls. So yes.

How little do they trust Brie Larson that they have to pair her up with the weakest part of WandaVision and the star of a show no one watched?

I mean, wasn't she supposed to be the new star for Marvel to replace Cap and Iron Man?

I think they're starting to realize how bad of a mistake that was, given that Evans, Downey, and Hemsworth are done (and aren't they planning to put Pratt out to pasture with the next GotG movie?) Even if Larson had the acting chops of Judi Dench, her character has had zero rapport with the people she's supposed to be interacting with, let alone the team she would be leading. She has negative leadership qualities and makes 9/10s of the cast irrelevant in any combat scenario. What do you do with that, creatively? Fucking Mantis would be a better leader, since she's a team player and has a power that could actually be used for things other than punching shit.

 

[RotPockets]

The Marvels (spoilers)
- taken from the now closed subreddit

Spoiler: The Marvels

The Marvels (spoilers)

I’m sorry Iman…

Zawe Ashton’s character is named Dar-Benn. I didn’t see any “sexual tension” which, believe me, I was looking for it. Comments are made about how Carol is “obsessed” with Dar-Benn, but it’s made clear that it’s because Carol doesn’t trust her, and it’s also made VERY clear that Carol isn’t wrong for mistrusting her. She’s quite obviously the villain.

Dar Benn is the regular leader of the Kree, no side factions or anything like that. In flashbacks, she witnesses Carol attacking the Supreme Intelligence and that’s her villain origin story. The Kree refer to Carol as “The Annihilator” or something very similar, and she does not like the name.

Dar-Benn has one bangle, Kamala has the other. No idea how she has it. She’s using it to power a weapon, but she needs both bangles. There’s a funny line where Dar-Benn demands to know how Kamala got such an ancient and powerful artifact and Kamala responds “my grandma sent it to me in the mail.” It wasn't explained in the rough cut that I saw, but almost immediately, Monica, Carol, and Kamala begin switching places every time they use their powers. Monica is working on a space station, SWORD’s “The Peak” headquarters with Nick Fury; Kamala is at home, and Carol is trying to sneak into a Kree/Skrull peace summit because she doesn't trust Dar-Benn, who is the leader of the Kree.

So Carol starts fighting Kree soldiers, and then begins switching with Kamala and Monica, and the Kree soldiers start switching with her. So at one point, Carol is on The Peak with Fury, while Kamala is at the peace summit, and Monica is fighting Kree soldiers in the Khan living room while the Khan family tries to hit them with brooms/fight them/runs around screaming. Very fun sequence. At the end, everyone - Fury included - ends up in the Khan living room, except Kamala. That ending scene in the Ms Marvel show is a direct shot from The Marvels.

Carol leaves the house and tries to fly off, but they switch again, and suddenly Kamala is falling out of the sky, and Fury tells Monica she has to fly and save her; Monica resists, because she doesn't know how to control her flight yet, but Fury yells, "C'mon, Black girl magic!" and Monica flies up to save Kamala. However, she loses control on the way down, everyone is screaming, and at the last second, Monica and Carol switch and Carol is able to stop before they hit the ground. Fury screams as they are dropping and at the last second "AHHHHH - oh it's just Carol."

Anyway. Carol, Monica, and Kamala go off to investigate Dar-Benn, sticking together because they can't control the switching every time they use their powers. It's really not explained, except for some allusion to how their powers are all similar or variations of each other?

They discover that Dar-Benn is using a new weapon to create unstable portals that steal the resources (water, air, sun) of whole planets, and she sends the resources to the destroyed Hala to rebuild it. She's so far destroyed one planet at the beginning of the film for it's atmosphere, she destroys the second at the Kree/Skrull peace talks, then she goes after Aladna to steal their water.

Carol has already been to Aladna and is reluctant to go back because she is the princess, married to Prince Yan in an accidental diplomatic mistake. Everyone on Aladna sings as a way of communicating. Brie sings. She has a lovely voice but it's an awful sequence...

They realize the planet is Dar-Benn’s next target and go there to get help fighting her, to protect the planet and stop her rampage. The girls bond well before this in a montage on Carol’s ship on the way to Aladna. Monica helps Carol get used to working with Kamala - Carol yelled at Kamala in an early scene because Kamala froze up in a pivotal moment, Monica reminds Carol that Kamala isn’t a soldier. Monica and Carol also have conversations about how Carol left and never came back. All three kinda work through their issues. It’s later revealed that Carol did indeed come back and visit Maria, more than once.

Prince Yan doesn't have a crush on Carol, he and Carol are married. But Carol and Prince Yan seem to have a very platonic friendship and mutual respect. Nonetheless, Carol is very embarrassed about it and reluctant to visit Aladna, it's played like she didn't understand the customs and accidentally got diplomatically married to the Prince at some point in the past. The citizens of the planet worship her as their princess. Prince Yan himself is cool though, and isn't played as a goofy trope, though. But it is a whole awkward sequence that goes on for entirely too long. Monica is weirded out by the whole situation; Kamala is excited. Monica asks if Kamala is going to put this in her Captain Marvel fanfiction and Kamala says yes.

Anyway, Carol realizes that she's going after every planet Carol has ever called Home, in an act of revenge. Earth is the last part of the plan. Meanwhile, Fury takes the Khan family up to the space station to keep them protected so he can monitor the situation from there.

A side plot on the space station with Fury: some techs find weird eggs inside all the space station machinery. They're all really worried about some sort of alien attack. The eggs hatch and it's revealed they are newborn Flerken kittens. Chaos ensues on the space station.

Later, the space station is damaged by Dar-Benn when she attacks Earth in the climax. There are not enough escape pods to get everyone off the station before it crashes. Fury comes up with the idea of feeding everyone on the station to the Flerken kittens, then putting all the kittens on the escape pods, and getting to Earth safely that way. It's amusing/bizarre, and the whole film has this really weird tonal clash between a standard marvel movie and something goofier, like Guardians.

Monica and Carol go to Hala, and it is raining for the first time on Hala and the surviving Kree are celebrating, because Dar-Benn brought atmosphere and water back to them. Carol realizes that the Annihilator is accurate from their perspective - she destroyed this planet and the survivors are struggling and she’s a great villain in their eyes, and she has a moral reckoning. Stopping Dar-Benn means destroying Hala all over again. Monica gives her a little bit of a pep talk that basically amounts to “We can’t save everyone, we have to let Hala be destroyed again.” Carol re-affirms her desire to stop Dar-Benn.

In addition to Dar-Benn destroying planets, her creation of portals makes the universe unstable, increasing the likelihood of an incursion, which is another reason they have to stop her. An incursion happens in the climax - Carol fights Dar-Benn while Monica and Kamala try to fix the incursion. Monica ends up flying through this “tear” in the universe and fixes it on the other side, and ends up stuck in that other universe.

 

[Nick Obre]

How little do they trust Brie Larson that they have to pair her up with the weakest part of WandaVision and the star of a show no one watched?

I mean, wasn't she supposed to be the new star for Marvel to replace Cap and Iron Man?

Before Endgame came out, there was this rumor that there were two cuts of the movie, one with Carol featured prominently, and one with her only around for key moments of the movie; her movie's reception would decide which version they went with. If it's true, then we got the later, which would also lend credence to the idea that the billions it made were... dishonest.
You'll have to trust my word, but when she got punched out of the movie, people in my theater cheered and laughed.
What I wonder is if the other version still had the A-Force scene, or if they added this to balance out the girl power they lost by yeeting Carol for most of the movie.

(and aren't they planning to put Pratt out to pasture with the next GotG movie?)

The leaks say that Quill is still on the Guardians team they form at the end of the movie (I recall it's Quill, Nebula, Mantis, Cosmo and Adam Warlock, but I can't check because the leaks subreddit is private now).

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Angela Bassett was robbed.

I'm sure there were a lot of robberies on that set.

 

[Oats12345]

Lawson's character is just too bitchy in my opinion to care about

 

[starborn427614]

@RotPockets
Seems like they were going for the tone of Ms. Marvel but forgot two of the other leads are wooden as fuck. Not looking good.

 

[Fluffy Snorlax]

of course. marvel can do no wrong. their movies are flawless, which makes dc's attempts just that much more laughable

Marvel Studios has secured itself to keep churning more and more of these out without the public growing tired of them and has nullified any competition.

I opened this thread thinking it was a new thread and thought those page 1 comments were all sarcastic lmao.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Larson is just too bitchy in my opinion to care about

Fixed

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Kamala is falling out of the sky, and Fury tells Monica she has to fly and save her; Monica resists, because she doesn't know how to control her flight yet, but Fury yells, "C'mon, Black girl magic!" and Monica flies up to save Kamala

Black girl magic....

Carol realizes that the Annihilator is accurate from their perspective - she destroyed this planet and the survivors are struggling and she’s a great villain in their eyes, and she has a moral reckoning. Stopping Dar-Benn means destroying Hala all over again. Monica gives her a little bit of a pep talk that basically amounts to “We can’t save everyone, we have to let Hala be destroyed again.” Carol re-affirms her desire to stop Dar-Benn.

is convincing your reluctant friend to commit genocide on another planet.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The Marvels leak really makes me wonder if it's a diehard fanboy or a guy full of cynicism towards this shit, but I feel like it's the former.

Zawe Ashton’s character is named Dar-Benn. I didn’t see any “sexual tension” which, believe me, I was looking for it

I google'd the actress and that's a man. Plus wishing two female characters to bone due to sharing screen time is one of the most hateful things about modern fanbases.

There’s a funny line where Dar-Benn demands to know how Kamala got such an ancient and powerful artifact and Kamala responds “my grandma sent it to me in the mail.”

So Carol starts fighting Kree soldiers, and then begins switching with Kamala and Monica, and the Kree soldiers start switching with her. So at one point, Carol is on The Peak with Fury, while Kamala is at the peace summit, and Monica is fighting Kree soldiers in the Khan living room while the Khan family tries to hit them with brooms/fight them/runs around screaming. Very fun sequence. At the end, everyone - Fury included - ends up in the Khan living room, except Kamala. That ending scene in the Ms Marvel show is a direct shot from The Marvels.

Who doesn't like action scenes that keep cutting with no real reason for obvious comic relief?

but Fury yells, "C'mon, Black girl magic!" and Monica flies up to save Kamala

This can't possibly be real.

They discover that Dar-Benn is using a new weapon to create unstable portals that steal the resources (water, air, sun) of whole planets, and she sends the resources to the destroyed Hala to rebuild it. She's so far destroyed one planet at the beginning of the film for it's atmosphere, she destroys the second at the Kree/Skrull peace talks, then she goes after Aladna to steal their water.

Why not settle on an existing planet? Also you could extract pretty much every resource from asteroids/non inhabited planets but I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE. Also wouldn't replacing a planet need just a single planet?

Carol has already been to Aladna and is reluctant to go back because she is the princess, married to Prince Yan in an accidental diplomatic mistake. Everyone on Aladna sings as a way of communicating. Brie sings. She has a lovely voice but it's an awful sequence...

Of course the creator pet is also a Disney princess. It's just a shit setup for wacky misunderstanding humor.

Prince Yan doesn't have a crush on Carol, he and Carol are married.

Cuck.

A side plot on the space station with Fury: some techs find weird eggs inside all the space station machinery. They're all really worried about some sort of alien attack. The eggs hatch and it's revealed they are newborn Flerken kittens. Chaos ensues on the space station.

The cringe levels just keep escalating.

Monica gives her a little bit of a pep talk that basically amounts to “We can’t save everyone, we have to let Hala be destroyed again.” Carol re-affirms her desire to stop Dar-Benn.

I feel like the morals of the Marvel films only get worse, "commit genocide to prevent genocide" is one of the worse things you can write unless it's a parody

Monica ends up flying through this “tear” in the universe and fixes it on the other side, and ends up stuck in that other universe.

Such a strong character she is written out of canon in her first movie appearance.

 

[Nick Obre]

Black girl magic....

is convincing your reluctant friend to commit genocide on another planet.

Does Monica Rambeau have the single worst moral compass in that universe?

I feel like the morals of the Marvel films only get worse, "commit genocide to prevent genocide" is one of the worse things you can write unless it's a parody

She would have sided with Thanos in the "Kill billions to save trillions" part

[The leaks]

For what it's worth, the supposed reshoots are to remove the musical sequence (I don't know if that means yeeting the entire Aladna sequence, or just making them talk rather than sing), and to remove the incursion from the ending, replacing it with something like just a black hole, and Monica doesn't end up in another universe. Just like with Quantumania, the bittersweet victory ending of "they won but are separated" is seemingly gone.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Does Monica Rambeau have the single worst moral compass in that universe?

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She would have sided with Thanos in the "Kill billions to save trillions" part


For what it's worth, the supposed reshoots are to remove the musical sequence (I don't know if that means yeeting the entire Aladna sequence, or just making them talk rather than sing), and to remove the incursion from the ending, replacing it with something like just a black hole, and Monica doesn't end up in another universe. Just like with Quantumania, the bittersweet victory ending of "they won but are separated" is seemingly gone.

Who wants to watch this shit?

 

[robobobo]

So, I saw Ant-Man and was entertained well enough. I have a few gripes of greater or lesser severity:

Everyone kept taking off their fucking helmets instantly after they finish changing size. I know actors hate having their faces covered, but save it for scenes where their expressions really matter.

Janet was utterly retarded to not have mentioned, "By the by, don't ever touch the quantumverse it's full of assholes." She didn't have to mention her role in Kang taking over, instead she let her family keep poking at the place with a vague and unhelpful "don't go there", which was not sufficient warning.

Derrek MODOK was literally retarded, as in he was acting like a brain-damaged moron. That was like a Robot Chicken sketch, they could've done him less goofy and had an okay result aside from the terrible CGI, instead he just sucked.

They fucked up Kang the moment he got his magic ball back. Kang was a pretty impressive villain with his whole, "I have way bigger problems than you idiots, I just want to GTFO and deal with them." Once he had his ball, he SHOULD have said, "Okay, here's your stupid kid, you fucks get out and don't come back," and been more concerned with his own shit, and when they "heroically" tried to punch him after he offered them an out, it would better provoke the audience to wonder if they were making a huge mistake. Instead he did a 180 to be spitefully evil for no good reason and made his life more difficult by provoking the following fights that wrecked his shit.

 

[Oats12345]

Does Monica Rambeau have the single worst moral compass in that universe?

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She would have sided with Thanos in the "Kill billions to save trillions" part


For what it's worth, the supposed reshoots are to remove the musical sequence (I don't know if that means yeeting the entire Aladna sequence, or just making them talk rather than sing), and to remove the incursion from the ending, replacing it with something like just a black hole, and Monica doesn't end up in another universe. Just like with Quantumania, the bittersweet victory ending of "they won but are separated" is seemingly gone.

Honestly I find that line funny now considering what Wanda does later in Dr. Strange 2. Oh Monica how how terrible your morality is.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Victoria Alonso quits the MCU but ClownfishTV think she was shown the door.

Shocker: Marvel Studios Veteran Victoria Alonso Exits (Exclusive)

She has served as executive producer on its titles since the first 'Avengers' movie.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Victoria Alonso, the longtime and high-profile Marvel Studios executive whose time with the company dates back to the first Iron Man, has left the studio, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

The reasons for the exit are unclear, but she parted ways with Marvel on Friday, sources say.

Alonso had been with the company since earliest days of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, establishing an enviable 17-year run and watching the studio grow from operating above a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Beverly Hills to being acquired by Disney. During her tenure, the MCU became the highest-grossing franchise in film history.

Is it too soon to said nothing of value was lost?

 

[Milkshake Sniffer]

Alonso who took issue with the XMen name because there were women so the name was "outdated" as if there weren't always women in the XMen. It's surprising but welcome news. I just hope it's not being done to provide a shield for Fiege.