Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Oilspill Battery]

Consistency is nearly impossible when you have different writers. Hard rules, yeah. And power levels were and will always be bullshit.

Power levels are extremely important in deciding who gets to fight and what and what each character is and should be capable of within reason.

Batman V Superman for example will always be retarded when superman can fly to the moon and fling a pebble at the speed of light to decapitate batman from 400km away.

Batman is not a god, and having him fight gods will always result in the outcome being lame because either he needs infinite plot armour or infinite asspulls to be relevant. Batman is a street level superhero. Justice league had this problem and the avengers also has this problem.

You take the avengers, half of which are gods or superhumans, and then you have black widow and hackeye just hanging around pretending to be useful. If the story has to bend around you to pretend you aren't useless you shouldn't be there.

 

[God of Nothing]

Power levels are extremely important in deciding who gets to fight and what and what each character is and should be capable of within reason.

Batman V Superman for example will always be retarded when superman can fly to the moon and fling a pebble at the speed of light to decapitate batman from 400km away.

Batman is not a god, and having him fight gods will always result in the outcome being lame because either he needs infinite plot armour or infinite asspulls to be relevant. Batman is a street level superhero. Justice league had this problem and the avengers also has this problem.

You take the avengers, half of which are gods or superhumans, and then you have black widow and hackeye just hanging around pretending to be useful. If the story has to bend around you to pretend you aren't useless you shouldn't be there.

see, this is why power levels are bullshit
batman still won that fight
you can seethe all you want but it happened

 

[Oilspill Battery]

see, this is why power levels are bullshit
batman still won that fight
you can seethe all you want but it happened

Yes, my point is that they shouldn't be bullshit, he shouldn't have won and him winning is bad writing because its inconsistent with the world that has been established and required about 39 asspulls and plot armour to be even remotely fair.

If the stars align anytime a mortal wants to kill a god at that point godhood just becomes meaningless and both characters get devalued.

Batman because from that point on will always have plot armour and superman because from that point will always have plot shackles.

 

[God of Nothing]

Yes, my point is that they shouldn't be bullshit, he shouldn't have won and him winning is bad writing because its inconsistent with the world that has been established and required about 39 asspulls and plot armour to be even remotely fair.

If the stars align anytime a mortal wants to kill a god at that point godhood just becomes meaningless and both characters get devalued.

Batman because from that point on will always have plot armour and superman because from that point will always have plot shackles.

and i think vegeta should be stronger than goku but he never is
look, man, it's all just hocus pocus words on paper

if you put a child with a gun in a room with an adult wielding a knife, who is going to come out?
we can go back and forth but the answer will be whoever i decide it will be depending on the circumstances i set for each

 

[Gar For Archer]

This is the problem with 99% of comic book heroes. Writers have completely given up on consistency, hard rules and power levels because they're hard to write and anyone can basically do everything as long as the plot demands for it.

There's literally 0 stakes or risk to anything the heroes do and no real surprise or moment of ingenuity because they only solve problems with asspulls and inconsistent powers.

The most egregious examples of this imo isn't doctor strange, its antman. Nobody cares because antman is a minor character but his powers literally work completely differently in every single instance he uses them even within the same movie because the writers forgot what conservation of mass is.

The third movie doesn't even make sense, characters still have the same atoms in the same size, just closer toogether, how can they go subataomic?

There's never going to be a "bloodbender" moment in the MCU because there are no rules to work around to surprise the audience with. No bending sweat to break out of jail, Iroh waterbending flames, Zuko redirecting lightning, etc.

The Antman problem exists because they fucked up by trying to pseudoscience how the Pym particles work. 99% of the time in that first movie, the powers are operating under the logic that mass is not conserved - he rides around on a fucking ant, ants can’t carry a 200lb man even if he is also ant-sized. There’s also that scene where he runs along a bad guy’s gun as the guys holding it in front of his face… do you know how hard it would be to hold 200 pounds with your arms outstretched? There’s also the fact that Giant-man would not work at all with this explanation, since he’d still be only 200 pounds, which at that size means he’d be blown over by a stiff breeze.

This could’ve all been avoided if they just handwaved it and said that Pym particles can independently alter your size and mass.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

and i think vegeta should be stronger than goku but he never is
look, man, it's all just hocus pocus words on paper

if you put a child with a gun in a room with an adult wielding a knife, who is going to come out?
we can go back and forth but the answer will be whoever i decide it will be depending on the circumstances i set for each

Yes and that's why 99% of comic book heroes and stories will always be badly writen pulp tier slop.

it's all just hocus pocus words on paper

It doesn't have to be.

Again, look at avatar and how it handled stuff like bloodbending, sweatbending, lightningbending, metalbending etc.

If they used the retarded comic power scaling that would have never happened.

 

[God of Nothing]

Yes and that's why 99% of comic book heroes and stories will always be badly writen pulp tier slop.


It doesn't have to be.

Again, look at avatar and how it handled stuff like bloodbending, sweatbending, lightningbending, metalbending etc.

my man, that's not power level stuff
that's just ability stuff

and avatar ended with an asspull 'i beat you' plot point

 

[Oilspill Battery]

my man, that's not power level stuff
that's just ability stuff

Characters in avatar get stronger by discovering new different ways to use their abilities instead of just getting to throw a bigger rock.

At any given moment we more or less know what each character is and isn't capable of. There's no conceivable scenario where sokka gets to 1v1 the firelord.

If avatar was writen by marvel or DC sokka would get plot armour to fistfight the firelord.

and avatar ended with an asspull 'i beat you' plot point

Aang defeated Ozai either way, the asspull was giving him a free get out of jail card in regards to actually killing him.

 

[Commander X]

Antman 3 is a enormous shitty nothing of a movie, but what really stands out to me how everyone trying to shill for it are all seems to be required to have figurative (I hope just figuratively) hard-ons for Jonathan Majors. If it were a white guy and they were just hyping him up as The Next Official Phase 5 MCU Villain for pathetic marketing reasons that would be laughable enough but we all know the extra level behind it is because the actor playing Kang is a Kang.

The hyping of Majors as Kang comes off as clumsy, so obvious in it's tryhard-ness that it shows the fakeness of it all. Antman 3's cretinous writer, Jeff Loveness keeps giving interviews where he's like "Jonathan Majors is the greatest actor alive" meanwhile his only credits are like straight to streaming stuff about Being Black, like that Lovecraft show about how the real cosmic horror (dramatic pause) was racism.

Loveness himself, his main credits are writing for Jimmy Kimmel Live and a handful of Richard & Mortimer episodes. and it's hilarious reading how "blown away" this queef says he was by a modestly talented actor delivering comic book villain lines to a character named "Ant Man".

It's really annoying seeing people agreeing in lockstep that this streaming series actor is a up and coming world-beating talent like, say, Marlon Brando around the time of "A Streetcar Named Desire", but also pretend that it's already the conventional wisdom that he is this staggering acting talent who is only going on to be one of the greatest actors of this generation.

The interviews with previously mentioned cretinous writer of this inane lobotomized capeshit that are full of delusions of grandeur like:

This movie had a tall order in that it had to introduce the Multiverse Saga’s big bad and make him menacing enough to where the audience will be worried about future Kang variants as well. But at the same time, you also had to give the Langs, Pyms and van Dynes a collective win over Kang. So how did you approach this juggling act?

With Kang, the danger was falling into another derivative time-travel multiverse villain. Endgame just did a time-travel plot in their movie, and there’s been plenty of time-traveling multiverse guys. And so I thought it would be interesting to approach the character first before we get to the more grandiose sci-fi elements of him. Peyton and I stumbled across the idea of Napoleon in exile, where he’s cut off from most of his time powers. We catch him at the end of a story that we just don’t know about yet. Guys like Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar are defined just as much by their defeats as they are their victories, and so I thought it would be humanizing to show a Kang who’s just been defeated. He’s like a Julius Caesar who was just assassinated by fifty other Julius Caesars and sent away. (Laughs.) Or he’s like Alexander who has just been turned back at India and has lost the worlds that he conquered.

"I wanted to show a Kang that was humanized" :strokes chin thoughtfully:

 

[starborn427614]

Antman 3 is a enormous shitty nothing of a movie, but what really stands out to me how everyone trying to shill for it are all seems to be required to have figurative (I hope just figuratively) hard-ons for Jonathan Majors. If it were a white guy and they were just hyping him up as The Next Official Phase 5 MCU Villain for pathetic marketing reasons that would be laughable enough but we all know the extra level behind it is because the actor playing Kang is a Kang.

The hyping of Majors as Kang comes off as clumsy, so obvious in it's tryhard-ness that it shows the fakeness of it all. Antman 3's cretinous writer, Jeff Loveness keeps giving interviews where he's like "Jonathan Majors is the greatest actor alive" meanwhile his only credits are like straight to streaming stuff about Being Black, like that Lovecraft show about how the real cosmic horror (dramatic pause) was racism.

Loveness himself, his main credits are writing for Jimmy Kimmel Live and a handful of Richard & Mortimer episodes. and it's hilarious reading how "blown away" this queef says he was by a modestly talented actor delivering comic book villain lines to a character named "Ant Man".

It's really annoying seeing people agreeing in lockstep that this streaming series actor is a up and coming world-beating talent like, say, Marlon Brando around the time of "A Streetcar Named Desire", but also pretend that it's already the conventional wisdom that he is this staggering acting talent who is only going on to be one of the greatest actors of this generation.

The interviews with previously mentioned cretinous writer of this inane lobotomized capeshit that are full of delusions of grandeur like:



"I wanted to show a Kang that was humanized" :strokes chin thoughtfully:

Ant-Man 3 being shit and Majors being a good actor can both be true, doesn't always have to be a race thing. Obviously there'll be some idiots playing it like that, but who gives a fuck what they think. A good actor is a good actor, period.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The hyping of Majors as Kang comes off as clumsy, so obvious in it's tryhard-ness that it shows the fakeness of it all. Antman 3's cretinous writer, Jeff Loveness keeps giving interviews where he's like "Jonathan Majors is the greatest actor alive" meanwhile his only credits are like straight to streaming stuff about Being Black, like that Lovecraft show about how the real cosmic horror (dramatic pause) was racism.

This is what really amazed me. After hearing all this gushing about him and realizing he's the guy in Creed III, I took a look at IMDB and it feels like he just popped up out of the Aether.

It feels like he's literally getting a push cause he looks like George Floyd. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, I honestly have no idea as I've never seen him in anything, but it's just weird to hear how he's so great and it feels like these are the first two things of note he's done.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Power levels are extremely important in deciding who gets to fight and what and what each character is and should be capable of within reason.

Batman V Superman for example will always be retarded when superman can fly to the moon and fling a pebble at the speed of light to decapitate batman from 400km away.

Batman is not a god, and having him fight gods will always result in the outcome being lame because either he needs infinite plot armour or infinite asspulls to be relevant. Batman is a street level superhero. Justice league had this problem and the avengers also has this problem.

You take the avengers, half of which are gods or superhumans, and then you have black widow and hackeye just hanging around pretending to be useful. If the story has to bend around you to pretend you aren't useless you shouldn't be there.

Larry David had a point.

 

[Sniperwoof]

This is what really amazed me. After hearing all this gushing about him and realizing he's the guy in Creed III, I took a look at IMDB and it feels like he just popped up out of the Aether.

It feels like he's literally getting a push cause he looks like George Floyd. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, I honestly have no idea as I've never seen him in anything, but it's just weird to hear how he's so great and it feels like these are the first two things of note he's done.

Majors was in a bunch of those "whitey is the real monster, aliens, insert x bad thing here" all along movies and TV shows that were much loved by critics but maligned by audiences.

I assume this is why critics and journalists know all about him but the wider public doesn't.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

MODOK is like Mojo in that the design can work really well with stylized art to give it that uncanny valley/body horror vibe. In photorealism it just looks dorky outside of some very creative art design.

(Also, bringing back the least memorable character from Ant-Man as the secondary villain? Fucking why?)

Yeah.

I know that the MCU would never make MODOK anything other than a joke, but couldn't it have at least actually been that character from the comics, and not a retread of the bland, forgettable villain from AntMan 1 that nobody gives a shit about?

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Majors was in a bunch of those "whitey is the real monster, aliens, insert x bad thing here" all along movies and TV shows that were much loved by critics but maligned by audiences.

I assume this is why critics know all about him but the wider public doesn't.

It’s kind-of the same with Mahershala Ali (despite winning two Academy Awards already, has been pretty much been forgotten about) and virtually every other new black actor/actress around. They’re represented as “the next big thing” only for them to find less work or for them not to be cared about later on.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

MODOK having a random change of heart because Scott’s suddenly hyper-competent daughter said “lol maybe don’t be a dick”, suicide-bombing Kang so a bunch of time-travel accelerated evolved ants can kill-but-not-really Kang, and then MODOK having a slow death, coughing up blood and trying to be happy that he did good in the end, only for the scene to have constant “lol he’s a dumb big head guy who thinks he’s an Avenger now lol” is just….I don’t know what the movie wants me to feel with any of this.

It feels like they filmed an entire movie, then rewrote the entire thing and tried to use everything they filmed to tell the new story, intercut with a bunch of random new lines and scenes. It’s bizarre.

It seemed to me that the MODOK thing was trying to do a parody of redemption arcs.

The problem is that you're doing it in a movie that's also supposed to be semi-serious, and is supposed to have stakes.

It's classic MCU tonal problems. Trying to appeal to people who just want a bunch of dumb jokes and comedy, and also trying to appeal to people who want an earnest, dramatic superhero story at the same time.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It seemed to me that the MODOK thing was trying to do a parody of redemption arcs.

The problem is that you're doing it in a movie that's also supposed to be semi-serious, and is supposed to have stakes.

It's classic MCU tonal problems. Trying to appeal to people who just want a bunch of dumb jokes and comedy, and also trying to appeal to people who want an earnest, dramatic superhero story at the same time.

Considering it’s the MCU film’s introduction to the new big bad, you’d think it be taken more seriously, yeah. But if you’re gonna have him beaten by the comic relief villain as a parody of redemption arcs…I’m not gonna take your new big bad seriously at all.

 

[The Nothingness]

Antman 3 is a enormous shitty nothing of a movie, but what really stands out to me how everyone trying to shill for it are all seems to be required to have figurative (I hope just figuratively) hard-ons for Jonathan Majors. If it were a white guy and they were just hyping him up as The Next Official Phase 5 MCU Villain for pathetic marketing reasons that would be laughable enough but we all know the extra level behind it is because the actor playing Kang is a Kang.

I'm still shocked that Disney, the company that has put disclaimers for "offensive depictions" of the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats basically let Jonathan Majors go Fu Manchu with his portrayal of Immortus.

Well, not that shocked.

 

[Commander X]

It seemed to me that the MODOK thing was trying to do a parody of redemption arcs.

The problem is that you're doing it in a movie that's also supposed to be semi-serious, and is supposed to have stakes.

It's classic MCU tonal problems. Trying to appeal to people who just want a bunch of dumb jokes and comedy, and also trying to appeal to people who want an earnest, dramatic superhero story at the same time.

Sincerity is out, as a lot of modern writers, from the people who write in the vein of the Wendigs and the Gunns and the people who think Joss Whedon was the gold standard for script-writing, they cannot do anything without constantly mocking it, deconstructing it, undercutting dramatic moments with smirky fourth-wall breaking jokes and reveling in their detached self-distance mixed with a smug acknowledgement of how hip and wise they are to media "tropes" , and creating characters that, no matter the genre or setting, respond to almost everything with tiresome "sass".

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Apparently, Jeff Loveness, the writer of Ant-Man 3 just had a mental breakdown... over the criticism of Ant-Man 3.

>“To be honest, those reviews took me by surprise. I was in a pretty low spot. Those were not good reviews, and I was like, ‘What the …?’”

>“I’m really proud of what I wrote for Jonathan [Majors] and Michelle Pfeiffer,” Loveness continued. “I thought that was good stuff, you know? And so I was just despondent, and I was really sad about it.”
>“I’m like, ‘Goddamn! No, [the reviews] are wrong! I’m right! MODOK is great!’” he added. >“I’m pretty happy with it overall, and I think I learned how to take a punch this week. And now that I learned that it’s not too bad, I can just get on with making things.”

>“I just miss gags in movies that were unabashedly dumb,” he says of his goal with the film’s comedic elements. “I like movies that had big gags and weren’t trying to be super-grounded all the time. I think ‘grounded’ is the most overrated word in comedies … Like, I don’t give a shit. I wanna see movies that have jokes and funny characters and heightened situations.”

Reminder that this absolute faggot is writing the next Avengers movie.